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I was always a cloud chaser but not direct inhaler buddy. But yesterday captain Steve showed me a dripper. I had never seen a dripper, so I vaped with it but in direct inhaling style because drippers dont produce any smoke if you vape normally with them. Anyway, I studied a little this dripper and I show that the air does all the job even if it doesnt pass from coil.

The vaping way that I showed you above has one more advantage. You can adjust the air even during inhale because you can adjust your mouth very easy. No need for air control :laugh:

As for drippers in general, they are inferior constructions if you compare them to a tankomizer with big center hole because air hits the coil in the totally right way instead of hitting only one part of the coil. And tankomizers are tanks too so no reason to carry bottles with you.

Maybe its time for an air bypass as you said Stan lol


edit....... Maybe I have to make a big center hole on tilemahos?
 

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I was always a cloud chaser but not direct inhaler buddy. But yesterday captain Steve showed me a dripper. I had never seen a dripper, so I vaped with it but in direct inhaling style because drippers dont produce any smoke if you vape normally with them. Anyway, I studied a little this dripper and I show that the air does all the job even if it doesnt pass from coil.

The vaping way that I showed you above has one more advantage. You can adjust the air even during inhale because you can adjust your mouth very easy. No need for air control :laugh:

As for drippers in general, they are inferior constructions if you compare them to a tankomizer with big center hole because air hits the coil in the totally right way instead of hitting only one part of the coil. And tankomizers are tanks too so no reason to carry bottles with you.

Maybe its time for an air bypass as you said Stan lol


edit....... Maybe I have to make a big center hole on tilemahos?


Yeah make a big center hole on tilemahos !!!
but don´t forget to add keramic and non res wire looool

and please make the Penny dripper cap once more when there is enough time !!!
 

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Something more about drippers, to let you understand what is going on.

1. The direct inhaling time is bigger
2. The direct inhaling put much more air in your lungs
3. The exhaling time is bigger
4. all coils produce same smoke

So if all coils on all atomizers produce the same smoke (single coils), why dripper has more smoke? Because of the 1, 2, 3. So if we inhale air from environment (by keeping our mouth semi-opened), we will have the same result. Its as simple as that.

Of course we need a well feeded atomizer (with liquid control if possible), like Ithaka, Penny, Ody or any other out there.
 
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Something more about drippers, to let you understand what is going on.

1. The direct inhaling time is bigger
2. The direct inhaling put much more air in your lungs
3. The exhaling time is bigger
4. all coils produce same smoke

So if all coils on all atomizers produce the same smoke (single coils), why dripper has more smoke? Because of the 1, 2, 3. So if we inhale air from environment (by keeping our mouth semi-opened), we will have the same result. Its as simple as that.

Of course we need a well feeded atomizer (with liquid control if possible), like Ithaka, Penny, Ody or any other out there.
Imeo i disagree with point 4 you put. The amount of vapor depends on the power per unit of wire. The more power you put the faster liquid particles turn into vapor, the faster other liquid particles take their place, and so on until at the end you get more amount of vapor. The amount of air hitting the coil helps in transporting the vapor away from the coil allowing more vapor to be produced. So amount of air hitting the coil plus the power per unit of wire does indeed change the amount of vapor per coil. Not all coils produce the same vapor.
 

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aal, I thought you knew what I mean lol.

When I say that all coils produce same vapor I mean all the same coils. To say it better, if you put a coil on an atomizer it will produce same smoke with another same coil to another atomizer.

The smoke that an atomizer produce will come out of mouthpiece either. So it seems that the only thing is needed is the air to hit the coil in all of its length. Thats why drippers cant work at all if you adjust their air hole (exept for drippers that have specific holes exactly in the middle of the coil but even if its like that, the air cant hit coil in all of its diameter.

To my opinion, the AD ring that drippers have is totally useless because if you close the ring then the air hole doesnt hit the coil but only on its one small side.

The best construction would be an atomizer where air hits coil in the middle and its all of diameter. And of course an atomizer with big center hole so air hits a lot of its length. Thats how I am going to make tilemahos after I saw drippers that dont hit coil as they have to hit it
 
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Imeo you are right and wrong lol. When you say some drippers with air control make the air hit on on side, these are drippers with screw on cap and not press cap. With a press cap you can make the air smaller with air control, then remove the cap, the place it back again with the smaller airhole now in the center of the coil.

What you are right about and I think will do very big success is the air hole that spans all the coil. So what you are doing with air control is actually still hitting all the coil but with less air. I see your design now and it might be really good if you do it this way. Some kind of air slot under the whole coil. If you put max air some of the air will fly directly to your lungs increasing the volume and getting more vapor. If you put your air control less, less amount of air will go through but still hitting the whole coil. When can I buy tilemahos? Lol.
 

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Imeo you are right and wrong lol. When you say some drippers with air control make the air hit on on side, these are drippers with screw on cap and not press cap. With a press cap you can make the air smaller with air control, then remove the cap, the place it back again with the smaller airhole now in the center of the coil.

aal, I said exactly the same!:)

What you are right about and I think will do very big success is the air hole that spans all the coil. So what you are doing with air control is actually still hitting all the coil but with less air. I see your design now and it might be really good if you do it this way. Some kind of air slot under the whole coil. If you put max air some of the air will fly directly to your lungs increasing the volume and getting more vapor. If you put your air control less, less amount of air will go through but still hitting the whole coil. When can I buy tilemahos? Lol.

exactly right aal
 

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I can tell this is the first time you've used a dripper.
You couldn't be any more wrong about everything you said.

However...I do understand there may be a lot lost/wrong from the TRANSLATION...and hey, you're Imeo, at leas you are willing to learn.

I will lament on one point though...drill out the airholes on the dripper, SEAL your mouth around the drip-tip, and direct/lung inhale to capacity...thats how you do it ;)

Peace.
 

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Also, I strongly believe that direct inhaling is prohibitive on vaping. We could do that on analog cigarettes but with vaping we risk to really burn the cells of our lungs because of a burned taste, because we hardly understand the burned taste when we do direct inhaling.

I am working on this field too because burned taste is really dangerous for several reasons
 

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you cant risk that way Natron. You cant always avoid burned taste. I am sure you had a lot of times this taste and I hope that it was not hard enough to make you feel terrible.

All vapers have/had this taste and be sure that no one likes it and no one is safe like this by guessing when this taste will come
 
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I don't direct inhale because that's not how I smoked cigarettes. And I don't chase clouds because that's not how I smoked cigarettes. I vape to replace my smoking habit and throat hit is the most important factor for me to replicate the way and what I smoked. But now, flavor is also an important factor for me. Will the design of Tilemahos be centered on direct lung hitters, and how will this affect the effectiveness of the atomizer to produce good flavor? I always see cloud chasers talk about the cloud but seldom the flavor.
 

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I know a lot of people that vape and most of them drip/lung hit. The most common complaint I hear is frequency of the drip. I think if someone could make an atty(tank) with big enough airflow(lung hit holes) and keep up with wicking, That would quickly become a best seller.(Maybe similar to something like a Ithaka but with big air.)
 
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I don't direct inhale because that's not how I smoked cigarettes. And I don't chase clouds because that's not how I smoked cigarettes. I vape to replace my smoking habit and throat hit is the most important factor for me to replicate the way and what I smoked. But now, flavor is also an important factor for me. Will the design of Tilemahos be centered on direct lung hitters, and how will this affect the effectiveness of the atomizer to produce good flavor? I always see cloud chasers talk about the cloud but seldom the flavor.

I didn't lung hit nor cloud chase ciggies either. I do so now out of sport and fulfillment. I also know that when I started dripping I dropped from 18mg nicotine to 4mg instantly. I make my own juice and at 100% vg I still get lots of flavor from my drippers.
 

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that's cool, and I respect that. But being that Tilemahos is going to be my main atty for my Esterigons, I just hope that whatever design adjustments are necessary to accommodate your style of vaping does not change what I'm already satisfied with...Ithaka and Penelope designs. If Imeo can accommodate both styles with the same atty, then of course he should. But if not, then I hope he creates two separate attys that excel at each style rather than one that produces mediocre results at both spectrums.
I honestly don't know enough about this though so maybe my fears are silly.
 
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