Disaster strikes with my new GLV2... pics included..

[keyzygirl]

I agree about warning labels and an insert in the battery compartment so you have to pull it out and read it before inserting the batts.

and for the record it was not the op I recomended Ikenvape,he had a separate thread in general area about batts and I answered someone in the GLV forum,my mistake.

 

[Painterface]

wow. I can't believe some people are blaming the buyer. ridiculous.

 

[smilin0117]

OP...I really do hope you are OK. This would have scared the crap out of me. I will not sit here and point the finger at anyone--its really not a productive thing to do. GLV/Jay needs to contact the OP. A warning needs to either be stated on the site or in the packaging. Not just for the GLV but for any PV that requires batteries. Some people buy mods without ever even hearing of ECF. it has nothing to do with ECF.

 

[Drozd]

I respectfully disagree with parts of your post Drozd. Safety should be priority number 1 whether it be mods, accessories, juices, etc. that are advertised and sold here. The ECF boards are just 1 of many vaping forums, we can't possibly hope to educate people who aren't members here. That job belongs to the seller. Being too busy with production is no excuse for failing to provide proper warnings and instructions.

Would you rather see the our community hurt by requiring safety over enthusiasm, or someone seriously injured by a mod or a bad batch of juice? We have a responsibility to our members by not allowing unsafe products to be sold here...it's the same concept of "it takes a village..."

with all due respect you were't around the time the last incident happened....so here's the short of the last incident...
some guy bought a chuck....was informed of what batteries were recommended....and then went out and bought and stacked non protected, non rechargeable cr123 batteries and then tried to put them on the charger when they weren't working and then tried to vape with them again (and that's when the blew)...

the vendor did have a list of recommended batteries and that person was informed but chose to ignore that....

the aftermath of the incident however was talk of requiring mod vendors to follow and have certain features on their mods like a master kill switch, vents, built in on device protection, etc for them to be able to advertise them here....this obviously didn't go into effect fully... appropriate warnings and disclaimers were sufficient...

however in the case such as this...there are no warnings on the GLV site...no battery recommendations....heck the site doesn't even tell you what battery the mod takes....

what I'm saying is... requiring the appropriate battery information and warnings SHOULD be a must on the vendor sites.....as well as appropriate instructions with warnings packaged with the device....further I would say it should be noted on sites that they're "ecigs of an advanced design" and a full page about appropriate battery safety should be linked to it....

however, requiring a complete dumbing down of a device and superfluous BS "features" like kill switches etc for a vendor to be able to advertise their product on a forum that they pay for subforum space on...expecially when there ARE other forums seems like it would cost the forum some paid vendors....several members when they cant find out or hear about new products from vendors, as well as modder embers who can't talk about their projects because they might not have all said features...

you can only idiot proof so much...and even then idiots will get around that... expecially when they're trying to save a buck...
both feet in the water now...truth be told...lets take a quick look at say a 14500 battery mod....in all reality if using an atty or carto with a resistance lower than 2.9Ω... you should realistically only be using high drain LiMN batteries...because the others are overstressed......wanna take a guess at how many vendors sell ultrafire 14500 batteries...how many people use them instead because "I can get 2-4 of them from DX for the same price 1 AW LiMN costs" ?

built in on device protection....yeah lets talk about that.... ever hear of the 905 model?....ask about version 1.... I tell you this it's not exactly confidence inspiring as far as on device protection goes.... and now even the latest of that model... they sell unprotected batteries with it because the protection is on the device...

kill switch?....once the battery goes thermally unstable and enters thermal runaway...there's nothing that'll stop it...certainly not a kill switch

 

[rolygate]

Hopefully it won't be like the changes that were proposed last time (a few months ago)...which were kind of unreasonable in some regards... (ie. there must be a master kill switch, and some of the other ones).... for a mod to be advertised or promoted on here...

Seriously, ECF in no way failed... it's not this forum's responsibility... it's a fine edge to walk... you restrict and limit the vendors and modders too much and it'll end up hurting the forum too.

Requiring appropriate labeling and warnings from vendors isn't too far... especially when they have their own subforum on here isn't too far to go... requiring specific features on their products for them to be able to advertise, is...

Yes, all we want to do is up the warnings.

Back when this issue was first discussed, we had a lot of debate among the ECF staff as to what to do about it. Some wanted 'unsafe' mods banned, some were for warnings. In the end we went for warnings rather than rules, and I still feel that is the right approach. In fact we decided, at that time, that advice as against rules was the way to go for any issues like this.

As a result of our cautions, these explosions are much less common now, because:
- Many mod vendors started to add safety features
- People realised there was an issue, where before there was silence
- Buyers saw the battery debate and took notice

So the debate worked, because the results show it did. We are still against rules, for any product type, so if the problem is still there, it just means the warnings will need to be more visible.

If it is possible for a buyer to even ask about what batteries to buy, and not be clearly told that they must be of the protected type, then I'm afraid that in a sense ECF has failed. That may be down to the community and not site staff but it's still a fail. So our next step needs to be to make it impossible for a buyer not to know that protected batteries must be used in a mod. Only the way we implement that is up for debate now. I'm not really interested in whether some mods have built-in protection or whatever, only that buyers are aware of the issue and cannot avoid having to make a decision on it.

It's our job to remove the possibility of ignorance, no more. If a purchaser deliberately chooses to use some other kind of battery, that's their decision - just as long as they know. A buyer should be protected by having basic information, and ideally by safety features that protect them even when a battery is faulty or mis-labelled or whatever. But as long as they know the issues, that's as far as we can go on ECF. It looks as if some are still unaware of this problem, so we have to do more - that's all.

We do not have a duty of care to the community because there is no contract there - but we certainly want to help protect people and there are many who would say we should go as far as we can down that road. When people are even thinking about saying something like, "ECF has failed", then that is a big warning sign to me. It doesn't matter if they are referring to the community or to the site/staff - something has to be done.

 

[LowThudd]

Maybe an easy solution...when someone asks "what batts for 'X' mod" the simplest answer is "some mods require protected batts. It is best to contact the manufacurer/suplier and find out which batts are recomended or required". If that standard approach, or even a Sticky w/ that info is implemented, maybe this can be avoided in the future.

 

[juicefreak]

i'm not going to read all the replies. I hope you get a refund. if not, pm me, i have several good links that should help you

 

[jayhawk]

I use 10440 batts on my LS and my gg super slim, I've done enough research to know to buy only the protected but are they really completely safe ? Can a protected batt still blow up ? And I've also wondered why they sell those cigar batts that are unprotected wouldnt they be unsafe . This whole thread makes me think I should do more research .

 

[Drozd]

thanks roly for clearing that up now....

I remember the last incident and the days of debate...and was honestly worried....
I compared it to the idea of bicycle makers being told suddenly that they would have to make tricycles or bikes with permanent training wheels...and the regular versions could no longer be advertised or discussed...

it was a reall posibility of limiting those that understand batteries and if we choose to stack batteries or use unprotected batteries we do so knowing full well what the risks and warning signs are..and limiting our choices...

I fully agree though that there should be appropriate info on the vendor sites though....
take this particular one for example.....you cant even tell what size battery this particular mod takes by looking at the site....much less any disclaimer of protected versus non or about stacking...one of the reasons I've yet to give them any of my business

 

[markfm]

From a forum perspective, can it be as simple as posting a "Please note that only protected batteries should be used in any PV." in the page text at the top of each Supplier's forum?

 

[Drozd]

I use 10440 batts on my LS and my gg super slim, I've done enough research to know to buy only the protected but are they really completely safe ? Can a protected batt still blow up ? And I've also wondered why they sell those cigar batts that are unprotected wouldnt they be unsafe . This whole thread makes me think I should do more research .

short answer...no

long answer... the LS for example...using 2 10440 batteries for variable voltage to supposedly go all the way to what voltage? 7.4 is it?...
even if *fire didn't lie about their mAh rating and they really were 600mAh.... they'd have a max drain rating of like .9A each...
they're run in series so it doesnt double the mAh or drain rate or anything just the voltage...

in any case you're overstressing the bejeezus out of them...and being stacked either physdically or run side by side in series....it could be bad

 

[LowThudd]

short answer...no

long answer... the LS for example...using 2 10440 batteries for variable voltage to supposedly go all the way to what voltage? 7.4 is it?...
even if *fire didn't lie about their mAh rating and they really were 600mAh.... they'd have a max drain rating of like .9A each...
they're run in series so it doesnt double the mAh or drain rate or anything just the voltage...

in any case you're overstressing the bejeezus out of them...and being stacked either physdically or run side by side in series....it could be bad

Man, I must say I appreciate you being here to explain all the specifics. TY

 

[doots]

with all due respect you were't around the time the last incident happened....so here's the short of the last incident...
some guy bought a chuck....was informed of what batteries were recommended....and then went out and bought and stacked non protected, non rechargeable cr123 batteries and then tried to put them on the charger when they weren't working and then tried to vape with them again (and that's when the blew)...

the vendor did have a list of recommended batteries and that person was informed but chose to ignore that....

the aftermath of the incident however was talk of requiring mod vendors to follow and have certain features on their mods like a master kill switch, vents, built in on device protection, etc for them to be able to advertise them here....this obviously didn't go into effect fully... appropriate warnings and disclaimers were sufficient...

however in the case such as this...there are no warnings on the GLV site...no battery recommendations....heck the site doesn't even tell you what battery the mod takes....

what I'm saying is... requiring the appropriate battery information and warnings SHOULD be a must on the vendor sites.....as well as appropriate instructions with warnings packaged with the device....further I would say it should be noted on sites that they're "ecigs of an advanced design" and a full page about appropriate battery safety should be linked to it....

however, requiring a complete dumbing down of a device and superfluous BS "features" like kill switches etc for a vendor to be able to advertise their product on a forum that they pay for subforum space on...expecially when there ARE other forums seems like it would cost the forum some paid vendors....several members when they cant find out or hear about new products from vendors, as well as modder embers who can't talk about their projects because they might not have all said features...

you can only idiot proof so much...and even then idiots will get around that... expecially when they're trying to save a buck...
both feet in the water now...truth be told...lets take a quick look at say a 14500 battery mod....in all reality if using an atty or carto with a resistance lower than 2.9Ω... you should realistically only be using high drain LiMN batteries...because the others are overstressed......wanna take a guess at how many vendors sell ultrafire 14500 batteries...how many people use them instead because "I can get 2-4 of them from DX for the same price 1 AW LiMN costs" ?

built in on device protection....yeah lets talk about that.... ever hear of the 905 model?....ask about version 1.... I tell you this it's not exactly confidence inspiring as far as on device protection goes.... and now even the latest of that model... they sell unprotected batteries with it because the protection is on the device...

kill switch?....once the battery goes thermally unstable and enters thermal runaway...there's nothing that'll stop it...certainly not a kill switch

Good points Droz,

I think the sellers of all mods should clearly indicate which batteries the device uses along with warnings of not using unprotected. If the vendor is out of these batteries they SHOULD post a link to maybe a couple of battery sites that sell what it i needed and DO have them in stock most of the time. Along with what charger they need.. You are right, I have heard people moan on the cost of AW batteries as opposed to Deal Extreme pricing and don't think about quality, etc. cheap=Cheap in batteries.. Aw's have been the best but they cost a little more. Anyways, that is my 02 cents,,

 

[Xanax]

Where is the ignorance? If I told someone to start vapping, and I said the GLV is teh 32%@#%.....Go here, and order...no batteries came in for them...I'm 99% sure they would just drive downtown and pick some batteries up. Really so if it only said you need this type of size. No wording of what kind of C rate does the battery need, and or what kind of protection does it need.

There should be NO need to research something that cost as much as it does. It's simple...The site should say we trust these kind of batteries, and non of the others in our mods. Doing so could jack up your face........

Rofl!! WTF are you kidding me? Drive down town and pick up batteries? Most ALL new PV users come here, to ECF knowing that there is SO MUCH to learn about e-cigs. EVEN the most basic type of e-cig seems foreign to a high percentage of people that come here. And when we're new, we all get a schooling, that different PV's take different batts. And it's the reason most people don't buy a mod as a newbie. And if you aren't a newbie, and buy a mod not knowing to ALWAYS USE PROTECTED BATTS, then shame on you. Your fault. By the way- I've never in my life bought anything from greatlakesvapor. I don't even know jay.
Edit: I'm not saying it's the guy's fault the PV blew up. But yes part of the blame belongs to him for using unprotected batts. That is all.

 

[Java_Az]

I use 10440 batts on my LS and my gg super slim, I've done enough research to know to buy only the protected but are they really completely safe ? Can a protected batt still blow up ? And I've also wondered why they sell those cigar batts that are unprotected wouldnt they be unsafe . This whole thread makes me think I should do more research .

I did some looking around last night and could find a few cases of cr123 failing. Seems like all were unprotected. 10440 up to 18650 there was not much of anything besides some RC users using unprotected and and really putting alot of abuse on them in a short time. In theory a protected one could fail if the protection circuit failed. I could not find any record of any protected ones failing. The protecting circuit can be built into the device the batteries are powering. Really there are only two reasons to use unprotected one if your making your own pack with multiple batteries in series, then you would add a protection circuit to for the proper voltage the pack puts out. Or # two, put them in a device that has the proper protecting circuit in it. Unprotected li ion batteries are not meant to be run unprotected under any circumstances.

 

[jaybird]

So I've had my GLV2 for about a week. When I first got it I was ecstatic to say the least.. But then I noticed the charger came, but no batteries.. Wow, I paid $135 dollars for this thing, waited about 10 days for it, it finally gets to my house, and I can't use it. No big deal..... I found a battery store close to my house that sold batteries that fit the charger that was shipped..

I sent a message to Jay about the batteries the day I opened the package and his reply was less than helpful.. Something about chinese holidays screwing him up...

whatever,.. i gave him a chance to send them out.. still no dice with the batteries. So I sent him a PM today about still not receiving the batteries that I paid for..

Then tonight while I'm chilin on the couch, taking a couple puffs on the GLV2..

and..... BOOM

the ... thing explodes in my hand while i'm taking a drag. (before you ask, yes the batteries were in the correct way, and yes they were the correct battery, CR123)

Needless to say.. I don't recommend this product,... the only thing I'm happy about is the vent hole in the bottom of device that screws on.. I still got some junk from the battery in my eye when it exploded but I ran to the sink and rinsed it.. Hopefully I won't wake up blind in the morning.

I really hope Jay will refund my money, I do not want a replacement.

All I have read so far is this first post , and I will get to the rest later . I want to start by saying....THIS IS NOT THE GLVs FAULT. I will give you a refund , all you have to do is send it back with the batteries i sent 2 days ago. The batteries you used are not made for what we use them for . You should never use an unprotected battery in ANY PV ..ever. There are 1000s of threads and post all over this forum about this very thing. You should have asked , or called me before you used any thing other than the recommended battery. there is a thread right here in MY fourm ...http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/greatlakesvapor/50355-what-batteries-do-i-need.html . To not recommend the GLV because you used the wrong battery is not fair. I have no problem rebuilding it and letting you have another go. I'm not mad at you and Im going to make it more clear on my website as soon as I can, but this is is not my fault or the GLVs, you just used the wrong battery. I am very happy to know your ok , and feel bad for what happen.

 

[AngusATAT]

Rofl!! WTF are you kidding me? Drive down town and pick up batteries? Most ALL new PV users come here, to ECF knowing that there is SO MUCH to learn about e-cigs.

Actually, this is untrue. The vast majority of e-cig users out there probably have no idea this forum exists. If most of them came here, we'd have well over a million members.

 

[cozzicon]

Everyone needs to read this exchange. No commentary (by me) is needed:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-here-pre-order-now-open-126.html#post1922801

 

[mwa102464]

That's just to much..!!!

 

[Swissy]

Actually, this is untrue. The vast majority of e-cig users out there probably have no idea this forum exists. If most of them came here, we'd have well over a million members.

Was gonna say the same thing.