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[CloudyWithChanceOfVape]

Just wanted to share a story I had on my experience yesterday.

So I was at my local Vape shop, and I was chilling with the owner trying to work on clone recipes. (And come up with our own lol). And Business was dead for the whole 2 hours I was there until about 3:15pm.

This lady walked in with a stingray clone, saying it had just gotten really hot and she twisteit and flames were shooting off the battery.

SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING. (But we did).

She said she forgot to lock it, and we both explained to her was was going on, what happened, and what she can do to prevent that, like NOT DRIPPING UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING WITH BATTERY SAFETY AND KNOWING HO TO USE YOUR FULL MECHANICAL mod!!!!!!

She also added, "Charles, I know you sell just the bottom(mod with no deck) here for 44.00, but I got this on EBAY for $40 with the top! Its awesome"
(Guys, don;t just go buy stuff off ebay if you dont know what your buying... This girl was clueless to what she was doing, and I ish she was still using an Ego-T, not even a Twist or a VV)

Look guys, if you don't want to put in the time and efort to learn how to use these machines properly, and vent batteries, and make pipe bombs, find a new hobby.

For those of us who learn, build, test, retest, double check, triple check, THEN Vape, Keep on vaping!!!!!

FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN ON THIS!

 

[MonkeyTokes]

Wow. Like with any "hobby" (for lack of a better word) that grows even nearly as fast as vaping has, there will always be idiots and people who don't care to learn the gig and just jump right in. Things will go wrong. If we all decided to Yo-yo instead of Vape we'd all be smoking and instead of some dummies burning themselves or more serious injuries, those same dummies would smack themselves in the face with the Yo-yo, break their t.v., etc. Fortunately for people who Yo-yo they arent scrutinized nearly as much as vapers and when something happens people will chalk it up to user error. With vaping if something happens it's ammunition for the FDA and so on.

Even more reason to read read read! Knowledge never hurt anybody, plus there are plenty of forums like this full of people ready to unload their knowledge on to the next guy! No excuses.

 

[HecticEnergy]

Yup... Too many inexperienced builders adopting mech mods before learning what they need to know. Some don't have problems, but I'm a firm believer of walk then run.. Plus with 100+watt mods on the market for <$100 I don't think mechs make sense... Another thing I've been seeing lately is people wanting to jump strait into cloud chasing form nothing or from ego... Scary stuff :S
My brother in law got a mech after using a hana clone for several months. Got some 22 ga to use with it.. Wrapped a coil and couldn't understand why it wasn't working and was getting hot so gave me a call... I've been telling him to get a dedicated ohm reader, but I plugged in the his coil specs into steam engine and it turns out he was trying to push a .06ohm build on a 20 amp battery... I told him to rip the build out, recycle the battery, and congratulated him on not blowing off his lips and fingers...
People don't seem to realize how dangerous this can be if they don't abide by the laws... Ohms laws... (And of course knowing battery safety.. Respect the continuous amp rating..)


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[CloudyWithChanceOfVape]

.06!?!?!?!?!?!? Or just .6?????

 

[AngiBe]

I'm not an experience coil builder but not a noob either. Best advise I read on the REO forum: after building a coil and check the ohms, recheck when you put the top cap on specifically on a small deck space atty. My built came out to my perfect .60Ω, but had I rechecked..I would have known there was a problem.

I guess one of my cut legs touched metal on the top cap. I knew something was wrong by the first couple of attempted vapes. Thank GOD the REO spring will collapse when this happens, rendering it useless. But lesson learned. Had this been a full mech mod, not a pretty thing.

ETA..I think noobs jump into subohm, mechs and other advanced equipment way too soon. What happened to crawling before walking?

 

[HecticEnergy]

.6 wouldn't have been a problem... I think it was like 3 or 5 wraps of 22 ga...


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[HecticEnergy]

I'm not an experience coil builder but not a noob either. Best advise I read on the REO forum: after building a coil and check the ohms, recheck when you put the top cap on specifically on a small deck space atty. My built came out to my perfect .60Ω, but had I rechecked..I would have known there was a problem.

I guess one of my cut legs touched metal on the top cap. I knew something was wrong by the first couple of attempted vapes. Thank GOD the REO spring will collapse when this happens, rendering it useless. But lesson learned. Had this been a full mech mod, not a pretty thing.

ETA..I think noobs jump into subohm, mechs and other advanced equipment way too soon. What happened to crawling before walking?

What about getting your knees and hands under you before crawling... Or rolling over before getting hand and knees under you.. Maybe learning to sit up has something to do with it too

There should be a progression people follow. Those who don't could cause problems for the rest of us... Basically it's drunk driving... Only they aren't trying to outlaw cars...


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[AngiBe]

What about getting your knees and hands under you before crawling... Or rolling over before getting hand and knees under you.. Maybe learning to sit up has something to do with it too

There should be a progression people follow. Those who don't could cause problems for the rest of us... Basically it's drunk driving... Only they aren't trying to outlaw cars...


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Exactly!!!!!

 

[Robert Dupre]

I was a noob when i jumped into sub ohm maybe a month and a half into vaping at most but i did my homework before i did and when i was at my friends shop i was asking questions about mechs and all about them. I became more intrigued by them as i spoke to my other friend that works there and decided to purchase one. He put the first build on the mutation x i bought with the mech and it was .35 ohms and i fell in love with it with the first hit from it. Its not that noobs shouldnt get into using mechs and rebuilding the issue is that they should know what they are getting into and the dangers associated with it to make it as safe as possible.

 

[philoshop]

Sounds like a very lucky lady.

 

[CloudyWithChanceOfVape]

I was a noob when i jumped into sub ohm maybe a month and a half into vaping at most but i did my homework before i did and when i was at my friends shop i was asking questions about mechs and all about them. I became more intrigued by them as i spoke to my other friend that works there and decided to purchase one. He put the first build on the mutation x i bought with the mech and it was .35 ohms and i fell in love with it with the first hit from it. Its not that noobs shouldnt get into using mechs and rebuilding the issue is that they should know what they are getting into and the dangers associated with it to make it as safe as possible.

But you did your research....

The point of MY story, was this girl came into the shop after venting a battery because she "bought a cheaper model on ebay she seen in a store and thought it was pretty and neat". Don;t buy somehting cause it looks nice, reasearch and know what you are getting into! A full Mech Mod and dripping is NOT a good upgrade from a friggin Ego-T!!!!!!!! (Unless you are 100% confident you know what you're doing)

This girl didnt know wether she messed up the mod or the battery or what and we had to explain to her what happened and that she was unsafely using it, but only needed a new battery. The Ebay people had put an RDA Drip Deck on it also, and she didnt have an ohm reader, didn;t know what "rebuilding a coil" was, she replied with "Oh I just took it out of the box and used it, I figured the battery sucked"THE BATTERY ISNT THE ISSUE, ITS THE STUPID USER THAT HAS NO IDEA WHAT SHE WAS HOLDING IN HER HAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . It's a miracle the girl didn't blow up......

BTW, she also ordered Juice, lol, and I quote!, "I want some black Ice, with as much menthol as you can put in a 26 mg strength. I like to really taste it and I dont hit it as much because it hurts really bad." (We just shook our heads and tried to explain her how it was ALOT different using a drip deck, direct dripping, compared to a tank)

 

[Rsunderl]

Since we are warning newbies about vaping safety and they might come here to see what's going on, I thought a few links to safety might be helpful. So here goes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phvIQ8rLODo&feature=youtu.be

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/announcements-news/129007-warning-rechargeable-batteries-apvs.html

For info on batteries Baditude has several excellent blog posts on the subject. His blogs on battery safety are a must read before you venture into the world of sub-ohm vaping.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...ected-icr.html

Reliable sources for batteries:
Batteries-Chargers-Flashlights-Only The Best
Authentic AW Batteries - RTD Vapor
Illumn.com - Flashlights, Batteries, Carry Gear, Intelligent LED Lighting, and More!

Do not buy batteries from eBay or Amazon. Some of their third party sellers sell fakes.

These are just a few links and info - feel free to add some more.

 

[ginny005]

I could rant about this subject all day. I think everyone else has voiced my opinion about it so I'll say one thing and shut up.

THANK YOU!!!!! I've seen to many of the guys and gals behind the counters of vape shops send newbies outta the store with devices they know nothing about. And no mention of safety or where to obtain the knowledge. It's all about making a dollar for some of them.

 

[HecticEnergy]

I was a noob when i jumped into sub ohm maybe a month and a half into vaping at most but i did my homework before i did and when i was at my friends shop i was asking questions about mechs and all about them. I became more intrigued by them as i spoke to my other friend that works there and decided to purchase one. He put the first build on the mutation x i bought with the mech and it was .35 ohms and i fell in love with it with the first hit from it. Its not that noobs shouldnt get into using mechs and rebuilding the issue is that they should know what they are getting into and the dangers associated with it to make it as safe as possible.

Glad you are being safe...
Imo there is A LOT to learn unless you have a background in electrical engineering and it's better to take smaller steps, especially if you don't have friends doing the kind of builds you want to do (in a safe way). ECF and youtube taught me just about everything I know about vaping, so I took it slower: 3 months ego, 6 mos rebuilding at higher resistances (15w regulated mod), then I got a 30w mod and shortly after a mech. I could have moved faster, but I've got a pretty limited vape budget. If there were classes or something like that available, I'm sure you could be sub ohming safely in a week, but I haven't seen anything that comprehensive (ie: "start cloud chasing with no vape knowledge")...

Maybe I should do a YouTube series
^ anyone think this is a good idea?
If so maybe I'll put something together this afternoon and post a link here for feedback before making it public... Unless there is something else available. I'll have to check the links posted above first I guess

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[HecticEnergy]

Taptalk double post....

 

[Rsunderl]

Maybe I should do a YouTube series
^ anyone think this is a good idea?
If so maybe I'll put something together this afternoon and post a link here for feedback before making it public... Unless there is something else available. I'll have to check the links posted above first I guess

I think that's a very good idea. It would reach people who don't yet know about ECF. and even if there are other YouTube videos out there on the same subject, the more there are, the better IMHO - it woul increase the chance that someone will find it in a search on sub-ohming. Perhaps look at the titles of others and make your title something that will be easily found but slightly different than the other titles. Something perhaps like "Sub Ohm Vaping - Safely"

Go for it!

 

[HecticEnergy]

I think that's a very good idea. It would reach people who don't yet know about ECF. and even if there are other YouTube videos out there on the same subject, the more there are, the better IMHO - it woul increase the chance that someone will find it in a search on sub-ohming. Perhaps look at the titles of others and make your title something that will be easily found but slightly different than the other titles. Something perhaps like "Sub Ohm Vaping - Safely"

Go for it!

Thanks for the upvote. I'll research what's out there through the eyes of a new vaper and plan out my attack today and hopefully have something for people to give feedback on tomorrow (hopefully shoot video tonight, edit tomorrow). I'm going to start a new thread now, so as not to further hijack this one (sorry about that...)


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[jdicax]

I've been sub-ohming for about 6 months, and I still watch every video and read every thread I can. If you've never built a coil, I would start with higher ohm builds till you feel comfortable with your abilities. The most important thing is you need do the research and learn what your doing. Like people say this is a hobby as well, so of course there is going to be a little work and a lot of learning involved. If you were going to start rock climbing as a hobby, wouldn't you start small, learning everything could, and slowly work up to the more advanced climbs? And there are plenty of experienced people willing to help others. Go to the vape store and ask questions, have them look over your first few builds if you don't know any other experienced vapers. Read this forum and ask questions. I have been reading on here for a long time, but just now starting to post in case I need to ask a question on here. Buy a ohm tester and get a ohm calculator. Be safe!

 

[AndriaD]

I was a noob when i jumped into sub ohm maybe a month and a half into vaping at most but i did my homework before i did and when i was at my friends shop i was asking questions about mechs and all about them. I became more intrigued by them as i spoke to my other friend that works there and decided to purchase one. He put the first build on the mutation x i bought with the mech and it was .35 ohms and i fell in love with it with the first hit from it. Its not that noobs shouldnt get into using mechs and rebuilding the issue is that they should know what they are getting into and the dangers associated with it to make it as safe as possible.

You're right, it's not so much the "noobs" that are the problem, it's the *idiots* -- but they're everywhere, can't do anything about them -- they treat reading like it's WORK or something -- "READ?!?!?!?!? Why on earth would I want to do THAT?!?!" In fact they're taking over the internet -- notice how there really aren't any "docs" for any of this... but oh man, there sure are a lot of VIDEOS.

Andria

 

[Danbrooks2k]

Saying dont buy off ebay is like saying dont buy from Fasttech...

I have seen the exact same junk sold at brick and mortar stores. Some being passed off as original... and even worse...

My friend called. His wife decided she was going to move up from her ego spinner and kanger tank. They let her walk out of the store with an Atlantis and an MVP.

Ill give you a minute to mull that one over...

Now she already gave her ego spinner to her friend... low and behold the MVP wont vape the Atlantis, and her evod clearo wont work on the MVP either... ( No contact with the center post...

She could have come here and learned a little and ordered the ATlantis and CF sub on ebay for less money.

Ebay isnt the problem. Lack of knowlege is most of it. I have had brick and mortar stores tell me bold faced lies. If you walk in with a manhattan/tugboat they may know better... walk in with an ego and get ready for a real ride...

I bought my nautilus on ebay, and the itaste vtr ( with the ring dremeled off ) also from ebay. Less than 60$ for both. Plenty of good deals there if you know what your looking for.