Disenchanted with Mt. Baker

[Vaslovik]

For two years I've been ordering my everyday juice flavorings from Mt. Baker. Initially one of those was brown sugar, but they discontinued that flavoring out of the blue, citing bottom line sales reasons. I had to adapt my recipe to that. Now when I go to order flavorings they are out of graham cracker, but notify me when it's back in stock, so I go to order my 4 flavorings for my recipe again, and I am told on their site that they have now discontinued another of them, RY4.

I'm shocked they would just dump RY4 like that, I had thought it a very popular flavoring, and it was a vital one in my everyday vape recipe. What will they discontinue next? Will there be anything of my recipe left for them to chop me off of?

I think it best to just take my business elsewhere at this point as Mt. Baker seems to have no regard for me as a customer, and I never know when they are going to cut me off from products I've been relying on them to supply for two years now. So I'm looking around for other sources of flavorings, and recommendations would be welcome.

 

[Vaslovik]

Well I just pulled the trigger on an order of flavors from FW in 4 oz bottles, instead of those little 15ml bottles. I should be good to go in a few days when it gets here, and no more getting cut off on my juice ingredients.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

Hi Vaslovik. Mount Baker is moving their business from the state of Washington to Arizona because of pending legislation concerning vape. I feel this is partly why they are reducing inventory. However I do have these links for DIY vendors:

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If you are wanting the same as you used to get, the rumor is Mount Baker used "Flavor West" ingredients. Good luck.

 

[Capt.shay]

Well I just pulled the trigger on an order of flavors from FW in 4 oz bottles, instead of those little 15ml bottles. I should be good to go in a few days when it gets here, and no more getting cut off on my juice ingredients.

I just saw this post and it looks like you have it covered. I contacted FW a while back before MTB started to get upidy and asked which of their flavors "most closely resembled MtB's ry4" and they told me to grab the Re(4)nu. Try mixing it at 6% RY 4% Caramel Candy and 2% French Vanilla all FW

 

[Vaslovik]

Thank you, I'm already looking into it having added Mt. Baker to my spam filters. I don't take kindly to anyone messing with my vape.

 

[Vaslovik]

Thanks for that, I see that Bull City will sell you flavorings in up to 4 oz containers, which I like very much. Mt. Baker told me they would not sell them to me in anything larger than 15 ml bottles. Meh...

That Re(4)nu..

Is that RY4? I can't tell. Is it the one Mt. Baker was selling as their RY4? I called FW but they could not tell me, saying they don't know what Mt. Baker was calling it and just to order a 4 oz bottle and find out. I'd like to know before I pay for it if possible.

 

[Capt.shay]

As you know, MBV's RY4 tastes nothing like other RY4's (Caramel, vanilla). I find it to be more of a dark licorice-like tobacco

Which is exactly why I add Caramel and Vanilla Makes a good blend with the existing dark flavor.

 

[Vaslovik]

Hmmmm... I don't get licorice notes from it, but then it's in my recipe with 3 other flavorings. I used to use vanilla, but moved away from that and finally settled on the recipe I liked, until Mt. Baker started discontinuing the flavors I needed to make it. Brown sugar was one of them, the first they chopped me off on, and when they chopped off RY4 too the handwriting was on the wall. They told me they are "streamlining production" whatever that means, but then they just buy it from FW, so what production are they talking about? I told them I was taking my business elsewhere, and to streamline that if they like.

 

[Vaslovik]

Well, heehee, I'm not sure what dark actually tastes like, but my juice is a dark one. It's heavily flavored. I use a 100 ml Erlenmeyer flask and a 50 ml graduated cylinder to make my juice, measuring in the cylinder the flavors and nic that go into it. It comes out like this:

12 ml 100 proof nicotine
5.5 ml RY4
5.5ml graham cracker
4 ml Brown sugar
5 ml peanut butter
–--------
32 ml

42 ml PG
26 ml VG

 

[Vaslovik]

This is what it comes out looking like:


I think that qualifies as dark.

 

[Vaslovik]

As you know, MBV's RY4 tastes nothing like other RY4's (Caramel, vanilla).

[COLOR=#000000]
Akshully, I didn't know that. Mt. Baker's RY4 is the only one I've used, and no, I've not used it all by itself.[/COLOR]

 

[Capt.shay]

Between the response from FW front office and my own, I think fairly articulate, taste buds, I would say with 99% certainty they are the same.

@Vaslovic : Your recipie is almost 35% flavoring. (*Edit: my bad, it is more like 22% isn't it, but I still say way to much with those flavores) I would consider that extremely high for FW flavors. For example, the vast majority of my mixes are around 12%. I think my strongest is 26% and that is a very complex multi-flavor. The mix you have going is four extremely strong flavors trying to duke it out to be on top. I would bet that if you cut all your flavors in half right across the board you would like your juice even more.

I think it is an absolute necessity to vape each and every flavor you own on its own. That is the only way you really have of knowing how it is going to blend with others. Mix up 10 ml batches of each and vape them so you know their profile. Keep the extra around to do little mini-test with different blends right in the dripper.

 

[Vaslovik]

Well then, I guess I shall have to order some *real* RY4 from somewhere and find out what it really is supposed to taste like.

 

[Vaslovik]

Thank you for the post, and I'll be checking out those links energetically. I've been exchanging emails with Mt. Baker and they give me a bunch of silly corporate-speak about streamlining production which is meaningless to me. I just want the stuff to make my all-day vape I've relied of them for over the last two years. It's the vape I enjoy with my coffee every morning, what I vape all day, every day, and now they are cutting me off from what I need to make it while giving me corporate-speak excuses. I don't like that one bit and my good will toward them is rapidly evaporating. First they discontinued brown sugar, now RY4, next it will be the graham cracker or the peanut butter, and they will email me some stupid corporate BS about that too that still means I can't depend on them for anything and they don't care either.

Time to explore other options.

 

[Mad Scientist]

The accepted folklore is Mt Baker just uses Flavor West flavorings. The pictures Mt Baker uses are definitely the same as Flavor West. You might give Flavor West a try to see if the flavors are the same for your favorite recipes.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

The flavors you want are indeed FW, minus the brown sugar which is probably TFA, you can get them all cheap at BullCityVapor

Graham Cracker-FW - Bull City Vapor

Brown Sugar Extra-TFA - Bull City Vapor

Looks like they don't carry the FW RY4, you'll have to look around at other shops or get it direct here

FW-Branded Re(4)nu Tobacco

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

There's a few places that sell like that, even direct is cheap from FW too and they sell up to 16oz I think, but shipping is always high so you need to order a lot to justify.

 

[Vaslovik]

Yes they have gotten upitty, haven't they? Seems like they feel quite free to just edit your vape from the corporate boardroom, giving you a bunch of corporate-speak reasons for it, and you are supposed to just keep giving them your money and shut up. A person's vape is a very personal and individual thing, based on their personal likes, taste, and preferences, and you don't just change it up on them from afar and expect them to like it.

Thank you for telling me about the Re(4)nu, I wasn't sure about that being the MBT RY4, and I've already ordered it.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

@Vaslovik - I missed your edit the other day, but as Capt.shay mentioned, that has been said by a few members that contacted FW that it's the same one MBV was using as RY4. FW used to only carry that one, now they have an additional Re(4)nu too (Special or deluxe, something like that).

As you know, MBV's RY4 tastes nothing like other RY4's (Caramel, vanilla). I find it to be more of a dark licorice-like tobacco, which I'm sure you already know since you previously use and like MBV's (Mainly posted this for anyone else reading later).

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

You never tried it by itself Vaslovik? Maybe your other flavors cover those notes up, or blend with it into some other tastes. It's "Dark" tasting to you right?