DIY e liquid vs Big Box Retailers

[CloudyFutures]

I am wondering what Brand flavor extracts Big Box Retailers use? for example Halo, My Freedom Smokes, etc. Do they use The same ones as us? for example: TFA, Flavor Apprentice, Capella's, etc...

If anyone knows what companies use what (not limited to the examples) can you please share? Thanks!

 

[dc99]

They use the same thing we do, they just buy bigger bottles

 

[CloudyFutures]

They use the same thing we do, they just buy bigger bottles

You know this because...? Is it public information? If so do you have links?

 

[dc99]

Ive been in the mixing room of quite a few establishments. Ive never seen a super secret flavoring only shops can get.

 

[AzPlumber]

Because there are no secret flavoring companies that limit their sales to only e-liquid vendors.

 

[Trigster]

I use one of the DIY specific suppliers ECX (E-Cig Express)...I get my base from them as well...There are several others...At ECX look in "Flavors" and you'll see all the names you mentioned...Here's a few links...Trig

DIY E-Liquid, Electronic Cigarettes and Wholesale Nicotine & E-Cig Juice | EcigExpress
Bull City Vapor Bull City
Wizard Labs Wizard lab Flavor link

EDIT: You'll see ECX has a "House Brand"...I'd assume they use the same flavorings they sell...But I don't think they'd be willing to say what's what !!!

 

[sofarsogood]

Recipes would be

I am wondering what Brand flavor extracts Big Box Retailers use? for example Halo, My Freedom Smokes, etc. Do they use The same ones as us? for example: TFA, Flavor Apprentice, Capella's, etc...

If anyone knows what companies use what (not limited to the examples) can you please share? Thanks!

Recipes would be trade secrets we aren't going to hear about. But, are there any very small mixing companies whose liquids rival the larger ones? I would guess there probably are and it's a safe bet they aren't concocting their own flavoring. It seems to me that would be a risky business unless you own the sophisticated and expensive equipment that detects undesirable chemicals in new flavors.

 

[puffon]

Nude Nicotine creates their own flavors for sale separately or their juice created from them.
Clark at Nicoticket created his own vanilla flavoring.
But I believe most vendors use the same flavorings we DIYers use.

 

[BrotherBob]

If anyone knows what companies use what (not limited to the examples) can you please share? Thanks!

The only thing I believe is most likely correct:
FlavorWorkshopHow
Years ago, TFA posted some information which was true then, not sure if it is still true.
Near 100% of all commercial flavors are produced by the big three:
IFF in New York (International Flavors and Fragrances), Givaudan, and Firmenich (Switzerland).
We may be vaping second or third or more generations of re mixers/blenders.

 

[stols001]

I ordered some of the Nicotine River "proprietary" flavors, they arrive today. I was a bit interested in some of them. Most vape stores I've been in where I've asked about flavorings, they say what company they use and in all cases, they've been flavorings that have been equally as readily available to DIY-ers.

I'd say the way they use them may be different-- there is no way I'm sweetening at 5% and mixing total flavorings at 20%. That's just overkill in my opinion, and I prefer to use way less flavoring in my mixes. That is the nice thing about DIY, you can really experiment with what works for you. I started out rather minimalist in my flavorings, and have reluctantly purchased a sweetener and some known sweeter flavorings, but I still imagine I'm going to be in the 3--6 or 7% flavoring AT MOST, and less than 1% on sweeteners.....

Anna

 

[Capt.shay]

You know this because...? Is it public information? If so do you have links?

On several occasions Mt. Baker was fairly open about using Flavor West for a lot of their mixes. Having bought and vaped several baker flavors and the corresponding FW flavors I can guarantee that they use FW for several of their flavors.

 

[Fozzy71]

Here are a couple recipes from Charlie Noble that they posted for discontinued flavors, all using standard flavors anyone can buy:

The Not-So-Discontinued Series: Canary Coulis

The Not-So Discontinued Series: PB Cereal

The PB Cereal one is great BTW.

 

[katking]

I use pure therapeutic grade essential oils, VG, and sweeten with Stevia. THE "Trick" is to dissolve about 1 tablespoon pure 94% Stevie powder in about 1oz brandy. Use to taste. Doesn't gunk up my coils and thins out the VG.

I have been doing this for years. I get tons of vape smoke, the taste is fantastic, and I hope I am reducing any health risks

 

[stols001]

Is it safe to vape essential oils, really? What kind of quantities, not that I'm certain I'd be trying that. No offense. I mean, I'm assuming you're using tiny amounts, but don't they taste awful, too? I've used essential oils for many things (backrubs, killing nasty odors, reducing the risk of fungal infections) but not vaping, and I really can't imagine it.

Anna

 

[WillyZee]

the only difference in BB retail and DIY is usually ... the fancy label

 

[Capt.shay]

I use pure therapeutic grade essential oils, VG, and sweeten with Stevia. THE "Trick" is to dissolve about 1 tablespoon pure 94% Stevie powder in about 1oz brandy. Use to taste. Doesn't gunk up my coils and thins out the VG.

I have been doing this for years. I get tons of vape smoke, the taste is fantastic, and I hope I am reducing any health risks

It is my understanding that oils should never be used for vaping. I would do a little research on this.

 

[VNeil]

It is my understanding that oils should never be used for vaping. I would do a little research on this.

@katking, google Lipoid Pneumonia

 

[kas122461]

the only difference in BB retail and DIY is usually ... the fancy label

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Willy! There are several people in the saloon, that have been worrying about you. Good to see a post from you, glad to see that you are okay.

KAS

 

[DaveP]

It is my understanding that oils should never be used for vaping. I would do a little research on this.

Agree. It's the reason that oil in nose drops was removed 50 years ago. People were sniffing them into the lungs and developing Lipid Pneumonia. If it doesn't dissolve in water it has no place in vape juice.

Worth a read.
Lipid pneumonia - Wikipedia

 

[stols001]

I've now steeped my flavors enough to try a couple of Nicotine River's proprietary flavors and they're alright, but nothing crazy to write home about, so far. They may need a bit more steeping. I think I will probably not vape them straight, but we'll see.

Anna