DIY issues.

[ronchinoy]

Try to get your hands on some flavors from India. i.e. Indian made natural flavors. It will blow your mind. I highly recommend Pan.
It has a minty taste. Then try the Mango.

Just keep in mind that steeping changes everything. So how do you calculate for the effect of steeping.
This is how I do it.

I mix it up well with a few heat cycles in the microwave never letting the temp cross 90c.
Then vape. It should have clear flavor notes even if its light. Then steep. As it steeps the flavor starts to grow. The good thing about strong flavoring as it steeps is easy to fix you just add VG/PG as you got and it works. vs if its too light you cant just add flavor and expect to fix it. You get my point.

Next forget about flavors working with pure VG. For some reason it dont or just takes a lot longer to steep.

Im still trying to understand why we use PG.
Rumor is we need PG to carry the Nicotine and flavors. But we already know that VG can carry nicotine.

So then is the only role of PG to carry the flavor ?.

So then flavor strength will be determined by your PG ratio. i.e. more PG less flavor needed. Less PG more flavor needed.
If I had my way Id remove PG from the equation totally its not such a nice chemical to have in you. VG on the other hand has been used for centuries in medicine.

 

[ronchinoy]

The last DIY issue I faced and which I feel others will too is using Nic.
I got some 100 MG from various vendors in the US WL and MFS. In various combinations from pure PG and Pure VG.
And the conclusion I have come to is that Nicotine does not seem to dissolve well in VG.

Im not sure if many people know this. Most think nicotine the nicotine is blended in. I think it actually separates and the lighter nic comes up on top and the heavier PG and VG sink to the bottom. Maybe this is why they dont want to sell more than 100 MG. And why we are asked to shake it.
From now on Im going to get my Nic in a PG base only.
I know that PG and VG do tend to blend. Quite easily.

My reason for posting this remind people to shake their nic bottles and their juice bottles before mixing. And before vaping.

 

[Tepid]

The last DIY issue I faced and which I feel others will too is using Nic.
I got some 100 MG from various vendors in the US WL and MFS. In various combinations from pure PG and Pure VG.
And the conclusion I have come to is that Nicotine does not seem to dissolve well in VG.

Im not sure if many people know this. Most think nicotine the nicotine is blended in. I think it actually separates and the lighter nic comes up on top and the heavier PG and VG sink to the bottom. Maybe this is why they dont want to sell more than 100 MG. And why we are asked to shake it.
From now on Im going to get my Nic in a PG base only.
I know that PG and VG do tend to blend. Quite easily.

My reason for posting this remind people to shake their nic bottles and their juice bottles before mixing. And before vaping.

I do not believe they are allowed at this time to sell more than 100MG
It is very toxic at that level as it is
I am not sure about the whole separation of NIC in a base

But, I always shake everything very well before I use it anyway. Everyone should.

 

[Tepid]

If I had my way Id remove PG from the equation totally its not such a nice chemical to have in you

please study more about PG, there is a wealth of information on it.
It is used in everything from food to medical industry.

 

[ronchinoy]

Have studied both PG & VG more than Id care to explain.
Am sensitive to PG.
The reason why I started to order the base in VG.

I have my doubts that Nic can be dissolved in VG.

 

[ronchinoy]

I read on here a lot about the Peppery taste and note esp in your nose when you first mix nic.
The recommended way to get rid of this is to let your nic breathe for a few days.

Id like to say this is not a good idea. It will drop your nic levels thru the floor. Nic is a substance which vapourises.
If your getting a peppery taste that means the nic is just too strong. Dilute it more. If your mixing 18 MG. Try mixing 10 MG.
Allowing it to evaporate is just wasting money and nic.

Im still confused as to how vendors are selling 100 MG VG mix. When nic does not mix with VG.

 

[ronchinoy]

I feel kind of let down by the vendors who have been selling me flavors.
They never bothered to mention that some flavors are PG based and some are Alky based.

The method to steep both differ quite a bit. For example with an Alky based flavor you do not want to heat it. You do not want to keep the cover off.
We are basically waiting for a chemical reaction to happen. And we do not want the Alky to evaporate so you never warm up the juice. You never steep with the lid off etc.

Where as with a PG based flavor you can add heat.

Next thing that is really bothering me is the nicotine.
Why is 100 Mg the rule. For max strength. Trust me it has nothing to do with safety.
People are not being honest here. Not as to why 100 Mg is the max. And not being honest about what is being done to the nicotine when its blended.
In a way the customers are to blame. They want something without smell. Without a peppery taste and something that does not change when exposed to light.
Something funny going on here.

Lastly. THe most absurd this I heard was that China juice was better than american juice because American juice was using VG and VG is cheaper.
For me I smoke VG because its healthier, it easier on the body. Cost is not a factor. The guy going on and on about this on his blog says he cant stand the taste of VG. He says it tastes like petroleum jelly.

I wonder if he even knows that there are multiple types of VG. And that the taste is based on how it was made. Some VG is made from Palm Oil. Some from Petroleum industry. And some from Animal fat.

My main gripe on this post. People selling flavors need to be a bit more open at least as to they flavor base. And how to best steep it.

 

[ronchinoy]

New method to extract flavor from Tobacco Leaf.

Tools required:
South Indian Coffee maker large size.
Ehtyl Alk double distiled.
Clean leaf (Helps if you know an organic farmer for leaf).
(A south indian coffee maker is two containers. One sits on top of the other. The top one has a series of holes on the base. Made in SS. With a cap for the top and a plunger.) Cost peanuts to buy online. Even if you add shipping to the USA.

Process.
Make sure the leaf is in small pieces and dryish. Take 250 Grms Leaf and 250 Ml Alcohol.
Pack the leaf into the top container. Using the plunger provided. Then assemble the unit.
Pour the Alk over the leafs. The first few times it drains right thru. Cycle it 2-3 times.
Each time packing the leafs some more. After the 3rd time. Pour the same liquid over the leaf. But this time put the cover on.
Now you have a bowl full off leaf sitting in Alky. And since the cover is on. And the system is semi air tight. The alk will not pour out but drop out into the bottom container. Leave it over night. Do this 2-3 times the end result in a pale yellow liquid.
How do you know when its done ?
The leafs will loose their color and become lighter in color.
That 250 Ml off Alk you started out with would have reduced to about 100 ML by now.
You can store this in a cool dark place with the lid off. And as the alky evaporates it gets more concentrated.
This can be mixed with what ever your smoking. Even pure VG. It gives a nice taste.
Some people just heat the liquid at very low temps to help speed up the evaporation.
But Ive found most guys who heat. Tend to loose the nic. Which is fine so long as you all you want is the flavor.
If you want the nic just don't evaporate.

You must use pure double distilled Methyl Alcohol. Do not try this with surgical spirit sold in the chemist shops you can go blind vaping that stuff.
Some guys totally remove all traces of the Alky which is not so hard. Some guys even use acetone but I would never risk it.
When the alky evaporates it leaves behind a pale yellow oily substance.

The key to this process is using clean leaf.
And no you cant wash the leaf. Cause nicotine and other alkelodis and even the taste dissolves in water.
No VG is used in this process.