DIY Liquid/ Money saving?/ 100mg vs less mg?

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Hello everyone.

I hope everyone is doing well.

I am looking to start creating my own juices. Mainly for personal use and will probably give some out for free to the community for reviews. I want to know if its cheaper in the long run to make juice with 100mg base solutions or something less strong. If any of you are a real numbers type of person, can you show me some equations explaining how many ml of 24mg nic juice you can make with, both, 60ml/100mg, and 125ml/60mg?

I hope that makes sense because the last sentence does not make sense to me. DOH><

Thanks in advance.
 

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And, as I said before, I don't DIY, but this is before you add any flavoring, so adding flavoring will dilute a little more (I think). Say you add 10% flavoring to a 10mL bottle of 24mg. That would be 1mL of flavoring. So now that 240mg total (24mg x 10mL) is suddenly spread over 11mL instead of 10mL which should give you a nic content of just under 22mg.

Again, I don't DIY, but I'm really interested in getting started, so if anyone could confirm that my math and assumptions are correct I would really appreciate it, thanks. :D
 

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The calculator says that 2.4mL of 100mg will make you a 10mL 24mg solution with just base concentration. BUT heres the rub. I diy (for quite a while now)and I do not advise any one to take lightly the 100mg soultion. Its a dangerous and rather spooky chemical compound to work with, the one that you are considering "dabbeling" with. My advice is to begin with a lighter and less dangerous concentration to get the feel of precisely what you are doing and all the safety measures that should go with it before stepping to such a high concentration. Good Luck. Happy Vaping.
 
Thanks for the advice guys.

Tell me if this is right.

So a "well known"(not providing any names because I haven't clearly read the rules and dont want to get into trouble) nic juice distributor has these following items for these prices:

1. 60ml , 48mg , $8.09

2. 60ml , 100mg , $15.93

Now here's the equation I was using to get a number but I am not good at math and I dont know what this number represents. Please tell me what this number means if it means anything.

1. 60 x 48 / 24 = 120 8.09 / 120 = .06741666666(is this number the price per ml of 24mg juice?)
2. 60 x 100 / 24 = 250 15.93 / 250 = .0637(is this number the price per ml of 24mg juice?)
 

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The calculator says that 2.4mL of 100mg will make you a 10mL 24mg solution with just base concentration. BUT heres the rub. I diy (for quite a while now)and I do not advise any one to take lightly the 100mg soultion. Its a dangerous and rather spooky chemical compound to work with, the one that you are considering "dabbeling" with. My advice is to begin with a lighter and less dangerous concentration to get the feel of precisely what you are doing and all the safety measures that should go with it before stepping to such a high concentration. Good Luck. Happy Vaping.

I agree 100% and ironically a lot of times you will find the lower strength nic bases are cheaper ml for ml.
 

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Make sure you FULLY understand what your doing before you start making your own juices. DIY is a lot of fun, but can be dangerous if you dont know what your doing. Nicotine base is no joke, and it using a high mg base, a small amount on your skin can def make you sick. Ask any questions you have BEFORE starting and download a good juice calculator. The calculator will do all the math for you, but make sure you always double check your inputs to make sure their right before you start making the juice. I also recommend using syringes for your measurements to ensure their accurate, especially for nic base.

Your best bet to figure out how much juice different mg nic bases will make and to give you an idea of what you should buy, I would download a juice calculator and play around with it. I use the EJuice Me Up calculator and it works really well. You put in your inputs for the mg of nic base you have and if the nic is PG or VG based or a mix, what mg you want the end result juice to be and and also how many ml of juice, what PG/VG ratio you want, what % of flavoring you want, etc etc. After all the inputs are in, hit calculate and it will give you exactly how many ml of nic base, PG, VG, flavoring, etc are needed to make that exact juice.

I would download the calculator and try putting in 60mg nic, then 100mg nic, see how much would be needed to make 10ml, 30ml, 50ml. That will give you an idea of what different mg and different size ml bottles could make and will help you decide what to get.
Then try putting in different PG/VG end result ratios and you can see how much PG and VG it will take to make 10 ml, 30ml,ect. That will give you an idea of how much PG and VG you might want to buy.


Things to keep in mind:
100mg nic base vs 60mg nic base in the same size bottle will make a larger quantity of juice bc you can use less to make whatever mg juice you want, but you have to remember that 100mg nic base is VERY strong so it becomes EXTREMELY important that you are dead on accurate with your measurements. You can make quite a bit of juice from a small amount of 100mg nicotine, so with nic base that strong, putting even .5ml more into a juice than you were supposed to could give you a juice with a MUCH higher nicotine content than you wanted, which could be dangerous. So remember, the higher the mg of nic base you use, the less room their is for error.

Take into account what PG/VG ratio juices you generally like the most and will prob make the most, before you buy nicotine base, PG, and VG. If you like mostly PG juices and plan on making the majority of your juices with 30%VG or less, your going to use alot more PG than VG for each juice, and you might want to consider buying more PG than VG because your going to go through a bottle of PG much faster than a bottle of VG. And it would be the opposite if you like VG juices and plan on making mostly VG juices. Thats why its a good idea to do what I said and try different inputs in a juice calculator. If you know your going to make most of your juices with say an 80PG/20VG ratio, youll be able to see how much quicker youll use 100ml of PG compared to 100ml of VG, and that will help you decide how much to buy of each.

Also when buying nic base you should consider what PG/VG ratio you generally prefer the most and plan on making the most. Nicotine liquid is either PG based, VG based, or a mix like 50/50, and which one you pick should take into account if you like mostly PG or mostly VG juices. If you play around with the calculator and put in all the inputs as if you were going to make a juice with the PG/VG ratio you genrally use, you can figure out which base would be best for your nic juice. If you put in all the inputs like you were really going to make a juice with your desired mg, PG/VG ratio, etc, youll be able to see how many ml of PG and VG would be needed to make that juice. Then without changing anything else, see how much PG and VG would be needed if you used PG based nicotine, VG based nicotine, and a mix. The base of the nicotine changes how much PG and VG are needed to get the whatever ratio you want for the juice. I make most of my juices around 80PG/20VG, so I use PG based nic liquid. Its important to pick the base that will be able to make your juices in the PG/VG ratio you want bc sometimes if you try to make a juice with a perticular PG/VG ratio, and your using the nicotine that isnt the right base, it can give you a negative number for the amount of PG or VG that needs to be added to make that juice. If you get a negative number for say PG, that means its saying that its not possible to make that PG/VG ratio with what your trying to use bc theres already too much PG from the nicotine and/or flavoring for your end result to be the ratio you want. So make sure you get the correct base. And take into account that the majority of flavorings are PG based as well.
If that doesnt make sense, heres an example to simplify it some. Im just making this up and I dont know if you could actually make this juice with these specific inputs or not, but you get the idea.
Say I wanted to make 10ml of juice that was 24mg and 95%VG, with 15% flavoring. That obviously means I would be putting mostly VG in and only a very small amount of PG for the juice to be 95%VG at the end. If I use nicotine base that is 100%PG and the flavoring was PG based as well, its possible that I wouldnt be able to make the 95%VG juice that I want bc the amount of PG in the PG based nicotine and flavoring thats needed for the juice could add up to more than 5%PG already, without putting any PG in. That why you would get a negative number bc its saying the only way your going to get the juice to end up with only 5% PG would be to take some out, which isnt possible.

So just make sure you educate yourself first and think and what would make the most sense to get based on what you want make, and youll be ready to start making your own juices

Goodluck and have fun with it!
 

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The calculator says that 2.4mL of 100mg will make you a 10mL 24mg solution with just base concentration. BUT heres the rub. I diy (for quite a while now)and I do not advise any one to take lightly the 100mg soultion. Its a dangerous and rather spooky chemical compound to work with, the one that you are considering "dabbeling" with. My advice is to begin with a lighter and less dangerous concentration to get the feel of precisely what you are doing and all the safety measures that should go with it before stepping to such a high concentration. Good Luck. Happy Vaping.

Soybean, I would like to add a big, long string of AMENs!!! to this post! I've been into the DIY thing for awhile now too and have saved quite a bit of money just buying 120ml bottles of 36mg nic, purely for the reasons described by iusedtoanalog. The combination of my initial inexperience and the toxicity of nicotine, plus the fact that the strongest juice I vaped at the time was 24mg, convinced me that was the best way to go. I intend to increase my nic level on my next order, but nowhere near 100mg simply because I don't like having to be THAT careful with anything.

Do yourself a very large favor: before you order any nicotine, do some serious reading on the subject. The DIY section here on ECF has a world of valuable (crucial) information. I'm not trying to scare you away from the idea - it's a great way to save money and a fun part of vaping - but safety is of paramount importance with nicotine. So please study up, have fun mixing, and Happy Vaping! :vapor:
 

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I agree with all previously mentioned need for caution and safety measures. There are threads dedicated to safety measures in the DIY section. I have been buying 100 mg. or 60 mg. nic base since my first purchase because we have two vapers here who vape high strength juice and those are a better price point for me. If I vaped lower strength, I'd still buy higher strength because I take all the precautions recommended number one being nitrile gloves and eye protection. I am comfortable with using the high strength but thats only because I read the entire DIY section for a month before I even made that decision. You have to do what you are comfortable with and many people start out with 36 or 48mg as mentioned before.
 

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I agree with all previously mentioned need for caution and safety measures. There are threads dedicated to safety measures in the DIY section. I have been buying 100 mg. or 60 mg. nic base since my first purchase because we have two vapers here who vape high strength juice and those are a better price point for me. If I vaped lower strength, I'd still buy higher strength because I take all the precautions recommended number one being nitrile gloves and eye protection. I am comfortable with using the high strength but thats only because I read the entire DIY section for a month before I even made that decision. You have to do what you are comfortable with and many people start out with 36 or 48mg as mentioned before.

Excellent points, and if/when I'm confident I have *reason* to be comfortable using 10% nicotine I won't hesitate to do so myself. OTOH I'd feel kind of silly killing myself trying to mix some juice to help me avoid killing myself from smoking (or something like that). You have obviously done your homework and this is reflected in your skill level. My skill level is far beneath yours, which isn't a problem as long as I'm aware of this and behave accordingly. I now vape mostly at around 3.5% nic, so the 3.6% nic + a little flavoring in a shot glass constitutes a (primitive but vapable) juice for me. OTOH I have experimented with various nic levels in mixing, using various calculators, as well as on paper and in my head; I've used gloves & masks, etc. (don't like 'em but will ALWAYS use them before I bump up nic level base).

Main thing: safety first, so we can live to vape another day. Blessings to all, and Happy Vaping! :)
 

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Well I'm a noob but I calculated that it was cheaper to get 100mg nicotine in 100% PG and then mix that down. My reasoning was A: I'll use less nicotine juice which is the most expensive component, B: it's made of PG which is the 2nd most expensive component, C: I can get VG really cheap at Walmart ($3.12? for 177 ml). When I did my calculations on RTS vapes (which is so far the cheapest I have seen) between using 100mg vs 60mg I realized that it was more money to use 60 than it was 100 because of the extra amount I'd have to use to get to 24 mg final nicotine strength. I suppose if you were a really low nicotine level user then it's possible it could be more cost effective to use a weaker strength nicotine juice. Well that's what I figured out and I'm going to live or die by it, as it were. Hope it helps.
 

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Yes it is fractionally cheaper to buy 100mg (fractionally though).

For example - the difference for mixing a 30ml bottle at 22mg (including flavoring) from my last purchase would have been $.21 by using 60mg instead of 100mg. For simplicity sake - lets say 30ml last me 10 days. That means it cost me $.64 a month more by using 60mg instead of 100mg or $7.67 a year (that should not be a big bank breaker)...

I use 60mg because of the ease. I buy let's say 120ml bottle of nic. When it comes in I break that down to 30ml bottles and put in the ice box. Now when I want to make a batch I pull out one 30ml bottle of nic and I mix 30ml of PG with it. I have now automatically with almost no handling involved cut the nic in half (30mg) - much safer now... Then I add my VG / Flavorings and have my vapable mix. Easy. The nic is not exposed to air as much so degradation is lessened and it is easier to handle... What more could you want. If your worried about spending $7 - $8 a year more then you should go look at a pack of smokes - the price you bring you back to a reality check...
 

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Guys guys.. What could happen if such 100mg nicotine substance touches you?

You won't be dead rite?

Itchy perhaps, wash with soap, rinse water?

Just boggles me. Or maybe it would kill me..

Eeeekkkssss

manischeek, trust me, you don't want to get even a drop of the high-test stuff on bare skin!

A while ago, I transferred a liter of 100 mg./ml. nicquid to little 60 ml. bottles for freezer storage. (I vape 15-18 mg./ml., but I have limited freezer space.) I took every precaution:

  • Tested the nicquid to make sure it was, indeed, 100 mg./ml. (My test kit only gives me an accuracy of + or - 10%, but that's close enough for DIY.)
  • Even though it was cool out (about 45 degrees F.), I opened several windows. I figured I didn't need an exhaust fan because it was breezy outside.
  • Put on a fresh pair of nitrile gloves.
  • Started transferring.
Half a liter or so into the project, I was dizzy -- I didn't have enough ventilation, even with the open windows. My nitrile gloves ended at my wrists. As luck would have it, I got a little drop of the high-test on my forearm (maybe 4-5 mm. in diameter after it spread out). Minutes later, my heart started racing and I came down with the Mother of All Nicotine Headaches. A few hours later all was well, but in the interim, I seriously thought of going to the emergency room at the hospital.

The high-test stuff is dangerous!

The next time I decant a liter of high-test into little bottles, I'll be in a long-sleeve shirt and wearing nitrile gloves that go to my elbows. I'll also do the deed directly in front of a fan blowing on "high" and exhausting into the outdoors.
 
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