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I cannot distinguish the separate tobaccos with cigars like I can with pipe tobacco's. Initially I thought cigar extracts would be stronger in tobacco notes than pipe tb. I guess it's my taste buds. I agree with you Mike, in that flavored cigars taste better. I really like the Tatiana lineup. I've extracted all of them and I'm going to do the Mocha for the first time today. The Rum flavored Tatiana is still extracting and when done I will have vaped them all. Not a loser in the bunch. So, I think you are correct with your theory.

Flavor bombs are different than flavored cigars. It means the tobaccos are specially chosen and blended to present much more flavor than the old Cubanesque cigar style. It usually refers to a cigar that hits full flavor early on and comes through with very distinct flavors from the tobacco. Look up Kohnheads review of the Paul Stulac Lord of Albany or Ashton Aged Maduro to get an idea. The Stogie reviews review of the Room 101 San Andres is also a good example.

With cigar tobaccos there is a difference in how they give off secondary flavors. With pipes a Burley might be "nutty" but it is undeniably Burley first. With a cigar the tobacco can give off something of caramel, cream, coffee, wood, leather, or any number of flavors without ever fully disclosing the tobacco type. Much of this comes from the soil it was grown in. So, unlike pipe tobaccos it isn't really looking for the flavor of a particular varital. It is looking for the flavor of the soil it was grown in. Cigar tobacco is raised in certain regions because the soil imparts flavors based on the composition of minerals, organic matter from local vegetation, and other factors. Then they chose the tobaccos from different parts of the plant to highlight the amount of that effect that is present. Then they mix the various tobaccos and primings to get combinations that trick your mind in to tasting other things. Well at least the new breed of flavor bombs work that way.

One of the big differences is that cigars don't use as much casing and topping. That is why using a maduro binder or something of that nature is usually highlighted. Treating the wrapper by fermenting it or processing it is not unusual. Doing that to the leaves inside is less common. Usually that is kept to the absolute minimum required to make the leaves palatable. That is one reason that pipe tobacco has a stronger taste. Pipe tobaccos go through topping, fire curing, flue curing, steaming, pressing, stoving, and a number of other treatments to make the flavors more present and more bold. Cigar processing tends to go in the opposite direction. Tobacco used for the filler is very often air cured in barns with slat sides or open doors and no extra heat. It is going to give a much different flavor pressence than a tobacco that has been sprayed with sugar water and then dried with propane heat before being thrown in a giant clothes drier and steamed.

It is two different world views that give us two very different tastes. Both don't necessarily work for everybody. For me, the both provide amazing results.

I forgot to mention that cigar tobacco usually goes through a fermentation process that pipe tobacco doesn't. Well with the exception of Perique. Even then the process is different.

During fermentation, the leaves are piled into what is called a bulk which is essentially stacks of cured tobacco covered in burlap to retain moisture. A bulk contains anywhere from 4,000 to 5,000 pounds of tobacco, depending on its type. The combination of the remaining water inside the leaf and the weight of the tobacco generates a natural heat which ripens the tobacco. The temperature in the center of the bulk is monitored daily. Every week, the entire bulk is opened. The leaves are then removed to be shaken and moistened and the bulk is rotated so that the inside leaves go outside and the bottom leaves are placed on the top of the bulk. This ensures even fermentation throughout the bulk.

The additional moisture on the leaves, plus the actual rotation of the leaves themselves, generates heat, releasing the tobacco’s natural ammonia and reducing nicotine, while also deepening the color and improving the tobacco’s aroma.

Fermentation process continues for up to 6 months, depending on the variety of tobacco, stalk position on the leaf, thickness and intended the use of leaf, whether for wrapper, binder or long filler.
 
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I knew that. It's just that my taste buds won't listen to reason. Other than Oscuro or Maduro wrappers they don't work for me. I even tried buying cigar tobacco full leaves by the pound and that was a disaster. I'm not too disappointed as there's such a wide variety of flavored pipe tobaccos which I can fully appreciate. Maybe I'll try some flavor bombs when I order tobacco this weekend.
 

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I took your advice and ordered the Paul Stulac Lord of Albany Maduro and the Ashton Aged Maduro. Tossed in a can of Charlemagne for good measure.

I haven't filtered my Paul Stulac yet. If it comes out like the SOA cigar it might get trashed. I think I used too much heat. The SOA turned grassy and lost nuance as it steeped. So, let me know how it turns out.
 

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Well the Paul Stulac Lord of Albany Maduro, Ashton Aged Maduro and the Coyote Classic decant today. Then the steeping will ensue.

Both the Casa Magna Oscuro and My Father Le Bijou 1922 were a bust as far as my taste goes. So, the PS LoA and Ashton Maduro will be my final shots at a good cigar vape.
 

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I'm hoping the 5 cigars i did come out ok.The extract has been steeping almost a month now after being strained,i think the 16th will make a month.When i strained them,all 5 of them smelled exactly the same,and it wasn't a pleasant smell haha,but hoping they come out good.It's weird that they all had the exact same smell though,becasue they are all different brands and completely different tastes and smells if they are smoked,so keeping my fingers crossed.
 

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Go strong on the extract when you mix your juice 30% or more. I've found you can't judge a Cigar Juice until it has steeped at least ten days. :2c:


I'm hoping the 5 cigars i did come out ok.The extract has been steeping almost a month now after being strained,i think the 16th will make a month.When i strained them,all 5 of them smelled exactly the same,and it wasn't a pleasant smell haha,but hoping they come out good.It's weird that they all had the exact same smell though,becasue they are all different brands and completely different tastes and smells if they are smoked,so keeping my fingers crossed.
 

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30% sounds like a good starting point.I made up a small sample of one of them right after straining,and it seemed really weak,but that was only at 10% so definitely going higher when making them up this time.I'll give it a few more days before i make any finished juice,and will let it sit a while too_On the bright side,during the last month that they have been sitting,they are now taking on their own smells and seem quite different from each other,so that's promising.
 

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So how long do you guy's think it will take for Cuban Cigar Shops to get online? We'll be able to order up to $100 USD worth, although I'm not sure if that's per order or per year. Initially sampler packs would be cheap, I think.
Digital age? Within the week some entrepeneurial spirit in florida will be selling. Id be curious to see how many local cigar shops just "suddenly" happen to know a guy.
 

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So how long do you guy's think it will take for Cuban Cigar Shops to get online? We'll be able to order up to $100 USD worth, although I'm not sure if that's per order or per year. Initially sampler packs would be cheap, I think.
Just read the fine print. That no resale ban means you have to physically go to cuba and get them yourself.
 

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Where does it say you need to go to Cuba. No resale means you can't order them or bring them back to resell them here in the US.

Just read the fine print. That no resale ban means you have to physically go to cuba and get them yourself.
 

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Where does it say you need to go to Cuba. No resale means you can't order them or bring them back to resell them here in the US.
Googled "cuban cigar us" first news article. Nydailynews. It specified that resale was still illegal , hence the need to travel yourself. Although i suppose you could have someone else go and then recieve them as a "gift"

Beats snowglobes.
 

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Well this last batch had a lot of winners. The McClelland Coyote Classic is superb. The Tatiana Fusion Frenzy and Euphoria were very tasty. The jury is still out on the Charlemagne. Maybe a couple of weeks steeping, and I'll try it again. The two cigar extracts PS Lord of Albany and Ashton Aged Maduro have only been steeping for a week or so. I'll leave them be until after the holidays.
 

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Well this last batch had a lot of winners. The McClelland Coyote Classic is superb. The Tatiana Fusion Frenzy and Euphoria were very tasty. The jury is still out on the Charlemagne. Maybe a couple of weeks steeping, and I'll try it again. The two cigar extracts PS Lord of Albany and Ashton Aged Maduro have only been steeping for a week or so. I'll leave them be until after the holidays.

Hey, Boomer!

Have you tried extracting the Tatiana Cappuccino?
 

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Not yet. I did the Mocha but P&T were out of the Cappuccino and Cognac so I'm looking at January for those two. Every time I think I've tried them all, they come up with a new one.

So, I haven't seen you on Part Deux, you all been there said that? Or just a bit of a hiatus?


Hey, Boomer!

Have you tried extracting the Tatiana Cappuccino?
 

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Not yet. I did the Mocha but P&T were out of the Cappuccino and Cognac so I'm looking at January for those two. Every time I think I've tried them all, they come up with a new one.

So, I haven't seen you on Part Deux, you all been there said that? Or just a bit of a hiatus?

Yeah, something like all of that. I just DIY now and it's rarely tobacco. DIY got a stronghold on me. But I had been wondering about the Tatiana Cappuccino -- actually that one in conjunction with the Mocha. How was the mocha?
 
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