DIY Serious Help! Help A Poor DIY:er In Need

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Most of the time the flavor manufacturer's recommendation is a good starting point.

I don't mean to be unpleasant, but I'm going to have to very strongly disagree with you again. Manufacturer recommendations are often off by an order of magnitude. They are generally useless, and should be ignored.

Even the seller's website recommendations and the percentages in the user reviews below the actual flavor are all over the place.

Indeed. You should ignore everything on the seller's website.

Trial and error is probably the right way to figure out the mix you like. .

Trial and error is fine, but you need a starting point. The manufacturer's recommendation is often a very bad one. For any flavor that is widely used you can just go to alltheflavors and see how people use it: that will keep you from being an order of magnitude off, and that's important, because using 10% of a flavor that is best at 1% might be enough to put you off mixing forever, especially if you are a beginner.
 
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I don't mean to be unpleasant, but I'm going to have to very strongly disagree with you again. Manufacturer recommendations are often off by an order of magnitude. They are generally useless, and should be ignored.

Indeed. You should ignore everything on the seller's website.

Trial and error is fine, but you need a starting point. The manufacturer's recommendation is often a very bad one. For any flavor that is widely used you can just go to alltheflavors and see how people use it: that will keep you from being an order of magnitude off, and that's important, because using 10% of a flavor that is best at 1% might be enough to put you off mixing forever, especially if you are a beginner.

I play around with mix percentages and usually end up close to the manufacturer's recommended mix percentage. Flavors and taste preferences are personal opinions. There's no universal mix. Everyone finds their own mix level through trial and error. I usually try the manufacturer's mix percentage and then go looking for recommendations from several sites that I trust for mix info. Most of the time I find the right mix on my own.
 
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    Oh please.... an order of magnitude is not a matter of taste. Sure, tastes differ, but they don't differ that much.

    I use almost an order of magnitude difference when making juices for different devices, so it could indeed be a matter of taste ... + vape hardware + etc. I haven't seen many manufacturer's recommendations, but most or all seem to be for their whole line. Meanwhile their flavorings vary a lot. But their starting number is still useful. Any source of a guide you could name still could need a conversion factor and case-by-case adjustment.

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    I haven't tried a Nautilus 2 with .7 coil, but a regular Nautilus, at least, is low enough power etc. it needs fairly full flavor. It's a good point that one tends to move towards less flavoring and I love some very light flavorings, but devices do vary. When I was testing and buying ejuice at vape shops for high prices I wanted to be blown away. DIY allowed me to get more into subtle mixes, also they just seem to be easier to make good. I still buy some juice for my real sippers, pocket devices -- the question is usually if I'll finish a bottle before it goes bad. I'm better off aiming DIY at a different kind of flavor range with an almost clean break from my older favorites and hardware.

    It is good to try your flavors as a single flavor mix. This eliminates flavors you're just not going to like or would have to be secondary. Some flavors just don't vape right by themselves though. This can be a lot of work to try everything. I use a dripper and try different flavors without rewicking and can tell a lot by how they cut across the previous flavor and take over. How they play with others is a factor anyway. I use my juices in a freeform mixing for most vaping. I've been mixing different flavors together since almost day 1. After all this testing, I have a big pile and still try new flavors, but really don't use that many regularly.

    The flavorings are designed to be used in various foods including candy, mixing it with large amounts of sugar. Thus, they're not supposed to be pre-sweetened. VG does have some sweetness but relying on that means you need low flavoring. Some flavorings seem sweet but it's more a flavor that we associate with sweetness, like ethyl maltol. Some people are OK with this but others are going to need some real sweet behind it.
     
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    Foggyroomz

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    As a rule of thumb I try to make sure that my juice is between 15 and 20% flavorings so let say I was going to make a strawberry/mango yogurt if using regular commercial flavorings like TFA I would go 9%strawberry 4.5%mango then 6.5% yogurt, mango is really strong so I subdue it between the strawberry and yogurt that gives me 20% flavoring then it will calculate the rest of the PG by putting in my target ratio be it 25/75, 30/70, 40/60 whatever but I always shoot for 20% flavor and always boost the weaker notes and back off the stronger ones. Of course do small testers before jumping into a 30 or 60ml I usually do a 10ml tester and then tweak things to suit taste preference. I always try to go no lower than 10% total flavor in any recipe but if I'm making a super citrus blend of mango, papaya, lychee, and pineapple for example 10 to 15% total flavor is more than enough.
     
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