I posted something similar yesterday on the new members site cause i still didnt have 5 posts. But now i figured i would come on over to the DIY section and get some more thoughts. I have 11 flavors from flavor apprentice pineapple, ripe strawberry, lemonade, juicy peach, mango, rasberry, watermelon, grape, cotton candy, cinnamon danish, and mt. dew. I have been trying for the past few weeks to make some good flavors and i still have yet to get any flavors to work. I was trying with 30% flavoring and that didnt work. And i was told thats far to much flavoring and it will actually make the flavors less potent. Today i made all the flavors just by themselves in a 10ml bottle of 50/50 with 10% flavoring and still not getting much flavor. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated on what i should do to make these flavors work. Thanks
DIY trouble, flavors not very flavorful
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I have the juicy peach,and made a peaches and cream with it.The first day,i could not taste the peach at all,at 5%,the next day it really came through,then after a few weeks it got so strong it started tasting sour.I have had this with a few other fruit flavors as well,so i would definitely keep your % low if you plan on making enough to last more than a week or so.
Awesome I will keep that in mind thanks for the info. Ya most of these flavors from the flavor apprentice just seem so weak. I'll let them sit for a day or two and try them again. I did the 10% flavoring so we will see how that works out for me.
You really need to let them sit a few days.
Here's some reading I recommend.
Read my blogs before getting started
E-Cigarette Forum - dannyv45 - Blogs
then read hoosier's blogs.
E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs
then read the stickies at the top of the page.
this will explain a lot of the how's and why's.
Here's some reading I recommend.
Read my blogs before getting started
E-Cigarette Forum - dannyv45 - Blogs
then read hoosier's blogs.
E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs
then read the stickies at the top of the page.
this will explain a lot of the how's and why's.
Use as small a bottle as you can to make test samples. You don't want to go wasting all those supplies that you paid good money for. I recommend making 5 - 10 ml sample sizes.
Time, you forgot to add Time.
I use an Ultrasonic to speed things up ans still let my mixes sit for a day or 3 before testing. Some sit for 7-10 days before cracking open. All still get a bit stronger with additional time.
I use an Ultrasonic to speed things up ans still let my mixes sit for a day or 3 before testing. Some sit for 7-10 days before cracking open. All still get a bit stronger with additional time.
Not to beat a dead horse, but you gotta let stuff steep my man. As Tom Petty said, waiting is the hardest part.
Everything you need to know (even the stuff you don't know that you need to know) is listed in Danny's links above. Phenomenal advice and guidance in both of those blogs.
Good luck dude.
Everything you need to know (even the stuff you don't know that you need to know) is listed in Danny's links above. Phenomenal advice and guidance in both of those blogs.
Good luck dude.
Yes I have been reading all his blogs and they are very helpful. And I will continue to steep to try and make them better. I never really understood the concept of steeping except that it brought out the flavor but after reading his blogs I understand much better. Also where can I get sweetner. Or can I just use regular Splenda??
Patience. 
you need to let the flavors meld together. Some may take longer than others.
I always make my batches, taste test them. I have a few that are vapable right away but most need a week. When I first started DIY I made 5ml samples. Once I perfected to taste I started making huge batches. Keep a notebook handy and record everything. This helps later in remembering what percentages you used and what needs tweaking. I always noted everything, even taste tests and preferred steep times once they reach a good taste.
Remember Things take time. You learn as you go. Once you get it right you'll be very happy.
you need to let the flavors meld together. Some may take longer than others. I always make my batches, taste test them. I have a few that are vapable right away but most need a week. When I first started DIY I made 5ml samples. Once I perfected to taste I started making huge batches. Keep a notebook handy and record everything. This helps later in remembering what percentages you used and what needs tweaking. I always noted everything, even taste tests and preferred steep times once they reach a good taste.
Remember Things take time. You learn as you go. Once you get it right you'll be very happy.
Too much flavoring concentrate will actually mute the flavor/taste. Some flavors are very strong requiring you use small percentages while others are quite weak and require more. I found a list of recommended TFA single flavor strengths in the TFA thread (long ago), posted it below hope that helps you. Vapor's tongue also reeks havoc on taste, during my first six months of vaping I suffered that malady often.
If the flavors you have don't suit you, try a different flavor manufacturer. When it comes to vaping, everyone's taste is different. Personally, I didn't like TFA's fruit flavors as much as some other brands I had tried like Inawera and Flavor Arts but YMMV.
-----------TFA flavor strengths-----------
555 10-20%
Absinthe Flavor Concentrate 5-10%
Almond Amaretto Flavor Concentrate 5-10%
American Red Tobacco Flavor Concentrate 3-10%
Apple Candy 15%
Apple Flavor 10-15%,
Banana Cream Flavor 5-15%
Banana Nut Bread Flavor 5-7%
Bavarian Cream Flavor 5-15%
Bittersweet Chocolate (Extra) Flavor 10-15%
Black Cherry Flavor 5-15%
Black Honey Tobacco 3-5%
Black Sesame Seed Flavor .1 %
Black Tea Flavor 2.5-12%
Blackberry Flavor 2-15%
Blueberry 15%
Blueberry Candy 13%
Blueberry (Wild) Flavor 15%
Blueberry Flavor (Extra) 10-13%
Boysenberry Flavor 5/5 ~1%
Brown Sugar 15-20%
Brown Sugar Extra 2%-10%
Bubblegum Flavor 10-15%
Butterscotch Flavor 12%
Cantaloupe 10-12%
Caramel Candy Flavor 15-20%
Caramel Cappuccino Flavor- No more than 2 drop in 10ml base
Caramel Flavor 10-15%
Chai Tea Flavor 10%
Champagne Type Flavor (PG) 5-7%
Cheesecake Flavor 5-15%,
Cherry Blossom (PG) 5%-15%
Chocolate Flavor 10%-15%
Citrus Punch Flavor 5-7%
Chocolate Mint (Not Listed ) 10% (more chocolate than mint)
Cinnamon Danish 10-12% 4/5 (needs to steep)
Cinnamon Flavor(alc) .25-.5%
Cinnamon Red Hots Flavor 5-10%
Cinnamon Spice Flavor .5% to start
Cinnamon Sugar Cookie 5%-15%
Clove Flavor 2-3%
Coconut Candy: 5-10%
Coconut Extra Flavor 2%-10%
Coffee (Clear) 0.25-5%
Coffee (Kona) Flavor 1drop/10ml
Cola Flavor 5-10%
Cotton Candy Flavor 10-20%
Crème de Menthe 5-14%
DK Tobacco Base Flavor 2%-5%
Double Chocolate (Clear) Flavor 10-12%
Dragonfruit Flavor 5-12%
Dulce de Leche Flavor 10% - overpowering at 20%
Earl Grey Tea 2-3%
Eggnog 10-20%
Energy Drink Flavor 10%
English Toffee Flavor 5-17%
Espresso 3% or less
Flue Cured Flavor 2%
French Vanilla Flavor 5%-10%
Gingerbread Cookie 8-10%
Graham Cracker Flavor 10-15% recommended for combining
Grape Jolly Rancher 8% - 10%
Grape Juice Flavor 8%-12%
Green Apple Flavor 12-20%
Green Tea Flavor 5%-15%
Gummy Candy Flavor 7%
Hawaiian Punch Flavor 12%
Hazelnut Flavor 16%
Hazelnut Praline Flavor 5%
Hibiscus Flavor 1-2%
Holiday Spice Flavor 0.5-3% (start at 0.5%)
Honey Flavor 1-5%
Honeydew Melon Flavor 5-10%
Honeysuckle Flavor 10- 15% tank cracker
Horchata Flavor 5%,
Hpno Type Flavor (alc) 5-10%
Irish Cream Flavor 10 - 12%
Juicy Fruit 10-13%
Kalua & Cream 5%+
Key Lime Flavor 3%-10%
Key Lime Flavor Concentrate 12%
Key Lime Pie 12%
Koolada 10% (PG) .5-1%
Lemon Lime Flavor 5%
Licorice(not listed) 3%- 10% long steep time (weeks)
Lime Flavor (Essential Oil) 1-5%
Lychee Flavor 2-7%
M Type Premium Flavor 0.5%-1%
Malted Milk Extra (Conc) 5% (best mixed with others)
Mango Flavor 10-15%
Maple Syrup Flavor 10-15
Maraschino Cherry (PG) 5%
Menthol Arctic: 2 drops/ml
Menthol Liquid (PG) 2-5%
Mild Black <2.5% (VERY strong)
Milk Chocolate Flavor 4%-20%
Mint Candy 12%
Mint Chocolate Chip 10%
Mocha 5%
Mt. Dew 10-20%
Musk Candy Flavor <3%
Nectarine Flavor 11%
Orange Cream Flavor 5-10%
Papaya Flavor 10%
Passion Fruit Flavor <20%
Peach Flavor 12-15%
Peach (Juicy) Flavor 5%- 17%
Peanut Butter Flavor 10-15%
Pear Flavor 10-15%
Peppermint Flavor 5%-15%
Pie Crust Flavor .5-12%
Pina Coloda 15%
Pineapple Flavor 15% (authentic flavor w/5% EM)
Pizza Flavor ~5%
Plum Flavor 5-10%
Pomegranate Flavor 7.5%-14%
Popcorn Flavor 13%-15%
Pumpkin 7%
Quince Flavor 10%
Raisin Flavor 0.5%-3% (Powerful)
Raspberry Flavor 5-10%
Red Bull: 10%
Red Type Blend 5-15%
Red Oak 3% sweet and smokey
Ripe Banana Flavor 8-20%
Rose Candy Flavor 7%
RY4 Asian Flavor 10-15%
RY4 Double Flavor 5%-15%
Smooth Flavor 2 drops per 5 ml
Spearmint Flavor <5% Very Strong
Strawberries and Cream Flavor 10-12%
Strawberry Flavor 3%-15%
Strawberry Kiwi 20%
Strawberry Ripe 15%
Sweet Cream Flavor 5-10% recommended for combining fake butter taste
Sweet Tart: 10% Tastes more like Smarties
Sweetener 2%-6%
Tangerine Flavor (oil based) 1-5%
Tiramisu Flavor 2-5% VERY strong
Toasted Almond Flavor 15%
Toasted Marshmallow Flavor 10-15%
Tobacco Absolute (1. Pure) <1%
Tobacco Blend (Alc) 0.5-2.5%
Tobacco Flavor 10-20%
Tutti Frutti flavor 10-15%
Vanilla (Bourbon) Flavor(alc) 10-15%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream Flavor 4-8% (excellent mixer) *** this containsAcetyl Propionyl, which carries potential inhalation risks.
Vanilla Cupcake 20%
Vanilla Swirl 10%
Violet Candy Flavor 10% - 12%
Waffle (Belgian) Flavor 8-12%
Waffle Flavor 20%
Watermelon Flavor 15%
Whipped Cream Flavor 14%
White Chocolate Flavor 10%
Wintergreen: 20%
PA Sucralose Sweetener: .5-2%+
If the flavors you have don't suit you, try a different flavor manufacturer. When it comes to vaping, everyone's taste is different. Personally, I didn't like TFA's fruit flavors as much as some other brands I had tried like Inawera and Flavor Arts but YMMV.
-----------TFA flavor strengths-----------
555 10-20%
Absinthe Flavor Concentrate 5-10%
Almond Amaretto Flavor Concentrate 5-10%
American Red Tobacco Flavor Concentrate 3-10%
Apple Candy 15%
Apple Flavor 10-15%,
Banana Cream Flavor 5-15%
Banana Nut Bread Flavor 5-7%
Bavarian Cream Flavor 5-15%
Bittersweet Chocolate (Extra) Flavor 10-15%
Black Cherry Flavor 5-15%
Black Honey Tobacco 3-5%
Black Sesame Seed Flavor .1 %
Black Tea Flavor 2.5-12%
Blackberry Flavor 2-15%
Blueberry 15%
Blueberry Candy 13%
Blueberry (Wild) Flavor 15%
Blueberry Flavor (Extra) 10-13%
Boysenberry Flavor 5/5 ~1%
Brown Sugar 15-20%
Brown Sugar Extra 2%-10%
Bubblegum Flavor 10-15%
Butterscotch Flavor 12%
Cantaloupe 10-12%
Caramel Candy Flavor 15-20%
Caramel Cappuccino Flavor- No more than 2 drop in 10ml base
Caramel Flavor 10-15%
Chai Tea Flavor 10%
Champagne Type Flavor (PG) 5-7%
Cheesecake Flavor 5-15%,
Cherry Blossom (PG) 5%-15%
Chocolate Flavor 10%-15%
Citrus Punch Flavor 5-7%
Chocolate Mint (Not Listed ) 10% (more chocolate than mint)
Cinnamon Danish 10-12% 4/5 (needs to steep)
Cinnamon Flavor(alc) .25-.5%
Cinnamon Red Hots Flavor 5-10%
Cinnamon Spice Flavor .5% to start
Cinnamon Sugar Cookie 5%-15%
Clove Flavor 2-3%
Coconut Candy: 5-10%
Coconut Extra Flavor 2%-10%
Coffee (Clear) 0.25-5%
Coffee (Kona) Flavor 1drop/10ml
Cola Flavor 5-10%
Cotton Candy Flavor 10-20%
Crème de Menthe 5-14%
DK Tobacco Base Flavor 2%-5%
Double Chocolate (Clear) Flavor 10-12%
Dragonfruit Flavor 5-12%
Dulce de Leche Flavor 10% - overpowering at 20%
Earl Grey Tea 2-3%
Eggnog 10-20%
Energy Drink Flavor 10%
English Toffee Flavor 5-17%
Espresso 3% or less
Flue Cured Flavor 2%
French Vanilla Flavor 5%-10%
Gingerbread Cookie 8-10%
Graham Cracker Flavor 10-15% recommended for combining
Grape Jolly Rancher 8% - 10%
Grape Juice Flavor 8%-12%
Green Apple Flavor 12-20%
Green Tea Flavor 5%-15%
Gummy Candy Flavor 7%
Hawaiian Punch Flavor 12%
Hazelnut Flavor 16%
Hazelnut Praline Flavor 5%
Hibiscus Flavor 1-2%
Holiday Spice Flavor 0.5-3% (start at 0.5%)
Honey Flavor 1-5%
Honeydew Melon Flavor 5-10%
Honeysuckle Flavor 10- 15% tank cracker
Horchata Flavor 5%,
Hpno Type Flavor (alc) 5-10%
Irish Cream Flavor 10 - 12%
Juicy Fruit 10-13%
Kalua & Cream 5%+
Key Lime Flavor 3%-10%
Key Lime Flavor Concentrate 12%
Key Lime Pie 12%
Koolada 10% (PG) .5-1%
Lemon Lime Flavor 5%
Licorice(not listed) 3%- 10% long steep time (weeks)
Lime Flavor (Essential Oil) 1-5%
Lychee Flavor 2-7%
M Type Premium Flavor 0.5%-1%
Malted Milk Extra (Conc) 5% (best mixed with others)
Mango Flavor 10-15%
Maple Syrup Flavor 10-15
Maraschino Cherry (PG) 5%
Menthol Arctic: 2 drops/ml
Menthol Liquid (PG) 2-5%
Mild Black <2.5% (VERY strong)
Milk Chocolate Flavor 4%-20%
Mint Candy 12%
Mint Chocolate Chip 10%
Mocha 5%
Mt. Dew 10-20%
Musk Candy Flavor <3%
Nectarine Flavor 11%
Orange Cream Flavor 5-10%
Papaya Flavor 10%
Passion Fruit Flavor <20%
Peach Flavor 12-15%
Peach (Juicy) Flavor 5%- 17%
Peanut Butter Flavor 10-15%
Pear Flavor 10-15%
Peppermint Flavor 5%-15%
Pie Crust Flavor .5-12%
Pina Coloda 15%
Pineapple Flavor 15% (authentic flavor w/5% EM)
Pizza Flavor ~5%
Plum Flavor 5-10%
Pomegranate Flavor 7.5%-14%
Popcorn Flavor 13%-15%
Pumpkin 7%
Quince Flavor 10%
Raisin Flavor 0.5%-3% (Powerful)
Raspberry Flavor 5-10%
Red Bull: 10%
Red Type Blend 5-15%
Red Oak 3% sweet and smokey
Ripe Banana Flavor 8-20%
Rose Candy Flavor 7%
RY4 Asian Flavor 10-15%
RY4 Double Flavor 5%-15%
Smooth Flavor 2 drops per 5 ml
Spearmint Flavor <5% Very Strong
Strawberries and Cream Flavor 10-12%
Strawberry Flavor 3%-15%
Strawberry Kiwi 20%
Strawberry Ripe 15%
Sweet Cream Flavor 5-10% recommended for combining fake butter taste
Sweet Tart: 10% Tastes more like Smarties
Sweetener 2%-6%
Tangerine Flavor (oil based) 1-5%
Tiramisu Flavor 2-5% VERY strong
Toasted Almond Flavor 15%
Toasted Marshmallow Flavor 10-15%
Tobacco Absolute (1. Pure) <1%
Tobacco Blend (Alc) 0.5-2.5%
Tobacco Flavor 10-20%
Tutti Frutti flavor 10-15%
Vanilla (Bourbon) Flavor(alc) 10-15%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream Flavor 4-8% (excellent mixer) *** this containsAcetyl Propionyl, which carries potential inhalation risks.
Vanilla Cupcake 20%
Vanilla Swirl 10%
Violet Candy Flavor 10% - 12%
Waffle (Belgian) Flavor 8-12%
Waffle Flavor 20%
Watermelon Flavor 15%
Whipped Cream Flavor 14%
White Chocolate Flavor 10%
Wintergreen: 20%
PA Sucralose Sweetener: .5-2%+
WHere can i get a good sweetener?? Thats a key thing i think i might need that will help some of these fruit flavors
You're better off using Marshmallow as a sweetener.
Creams, Vanillas, Cheesecake, Custard, are also "must have" mixers.
Pineapple should knock your socks off at 10%
Unless you're using that cotton candy (the plain one is EM, use at less than .5% if you must).
Creams, Vanillas, Cheesecake, Custard, are also "must have" mixers.
Pineapple should knock your socks off at 10%
Unless you're using that cotton candy (the plain one is EM, use at less than .5% if you must).
I'm not sure if I have the regular one or not. It just says cotton candy and it's the biggest bottle of that. 32oz of cotton candy flavoring. I didn't realize it was em but I guess that would make sense haha.
Here is another good question, if I want a 90/10 mix, cause I personally use mech mods not vv mods. I can't do anything more than 10% can I or it will be less than 90/10.
Here is another good question, if I want a 90/10 mix, cause I personally use mech mods not vv mods. I can't do anything more than 10% can I or it will be less than 90/10.
Is there anywhere I can get tfa or other concentrate flavors at a decent price and that isn't a wholesale company ???
TFA flavors: Perfumers Apprentice - Bulk Sizes You must follow the site's instructions and sign up...
Other flavors: DIY Flavors - LorAnn Gourmet - One Stop DIY Shop Store
There are many other sources.
Go find RocketPuppy's blogs. She is full of it! (Very good information and supplier/supply lists.)
Is there liquid sweetener as well as em crystals?? Cause I have found that the few flavors I have gotten from my local shop when they put em in it. It never dissolves.
EM can sweeten, but it's not a sweetener. (The crystals are dissolved in PGA and mixed in PG to make a 10% solution for use in mixing, which is why so many of us just buy Cotton Candy flavoring from TPA/TFA so it's all done for us.)
I noted what I use for sweetening in post 13 and don't see any need to repeat in a short thread.
I noted what I use for sweetening in post 13 and don't see any need to repeat in a short thread.
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