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Has been mention already. An error in formula to not withhold the amount of nicotine from being converted to a PG/VG ratio!
I have try to stress this yet I'm dealt with as being short sighted or cold.
I have try to stress this yet I'm dealt with as being short sighted or cold.
Related to what is Actually in an e-liquid.
You made a Big Deal about some Calculators being Off. And have Posted Many Cryptic, and to be Honest with you, Confusing Posts.
OK... So in you First Posts, Nicotine Volume is Not Being Accounted for. How Much is it Off when an 18mg/ml e-Liquid is made that way?
If I understand this cryptic thread. OP is saying that the calculator acounts for the PG/VG in the nic base, but does not specify the EXACT nic that is suspended in the base. Honestly to separate it out like OP would like is plain IMHO Stupid, unnecessary, and likely to cause newer DIY'ers to mix unsafely... Why fix what isn't REALLY broke, and if you don't like the program.... Do it on paper? and truust yourself more than software.... Just saying & no offense meant.
Like this folks... I just care. I submitted the question to the author of the program. It's just minor plus/minus as been stated; yet still error none the less. The nicotine in the base shouldn't be converted into the ratio of PG and/or VG.
But the nicotine in the base is in suspension/solution (whichever). That would be like saying a bartenders recipes need to account for the alcohol content of the liqueurs separate from the rest of the ingredients in the bottle. While I do understand WHAT you're saying, I'm missing the WHY...
Very nice! Yes, I do use a method to compute the correct amounts. Fix what is broken doesn't apply when so many take for granted all is right.
I think the calculator is just perfect for most DIY'ers... Now should there be an advanced program for people who want exactly perfect amounts? Sure why not...
Just throwing this out there.... but I don't use a calculator so this really doesn't affect me... Pen, Paper, and a moments thought works out fine for me.
Just throwing this out there.... but I don't use a calculator so this really doesn't affect me... Pen, Paper, and a moments thought works out fine for me.
I think the calculator is just perfect for most DIY'ers... Now should there be an advanced program for people who want exactly perfect amounts? Sure why not...
Just throwing this out there.... but I don't use a calculator so this really doesn't affect me... Pen, Paper, and a moments thought works out fine for me.
Accounting for exact amounts would require you to test your nicotine base with something more accurate that titration, which is something a DIY program won't be able to do for you. If you need exact numbers, relying on what's on the bottle is often the wrong way to go about it in the first place. It's making an assumption that the amount of nicotine in the bottle is 100% accurate. If it's not, then your entire DIY is off from the get go.
For that very reason, it's important to buy from a supplier that tests their nicotine frequently so that you end up getting as close to that 10% (in the case of 100mg/ml) or the amount of nicotine your purchasing in suspension. Even then, if you're worried about the minute details, down to a tee, you'd need to do your own testing once you receive it.
I was going to Wait until this was Brought up and Hashed over for a Dozen or So Posts. Then I was going to throw the Sweetener Wrench into the Gears.
If base mix is correct!
Example:
Take 100 mg. in 125 ml. with a base of 70% PG / 30% VG.
Convert it down to 18 mg. in 15 ml. at 85% PG / 15% VG.
Nicotine Base needed: 2.7 ml., PG needed, 10.82 ml., VG needed, 1.48 ml.
There is 1.70 ml. PG within the base and 0.73 ml. VG within the base.
The error in programming is to converts the 0.27 ml. of nicotine within the base into the 70/30 mix.
Which by the error has runs the PG to 10.86 ml. and VG to 1.44 ml.
Hence: Using the incorrect method to compute your e-juice runs it to 88% PG / 12% VG... doesn't matter if the error is small, it's an error!
Example:
Take 100 mg. in 125 ml. with a base of 70% PG / 30% VG.
Convert it down to 18 mg. in 15 ml. at 85% PG / 15% VG.
Nicotine Base needed: 2.7 ml., PG needed, 10.82 ml., VG needed, 1.48 ml.
There is 1.70 ml. PG within the base and 0.73 ml. VG within the base.
The error in programming is to converts the 0.27 ml. of nicotine within the base into the 70/30 mix.
Which by the error has runs the PG to 10.86 ml. and VG to 1.44 ml.
Hence: Using the incorrect method to compute your e-juice runs it to 88% PG / 12% VG... doesn't matter if the error is small, it's an error!
88% PG / 12% VG=100% Not possible if there is nic in there... No juice is 100 PG/VG since there are the nic, flavoring molecules... Therefore Sir, your math is still off.
Since we're splitting hairs and all...
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Acquiring nicotine is in a 100% stated mix. Be it 50/50 or 100/0 has no bearing on the amount of nicotine within the base. If you have 60mg. in 100 ml. there is 6 ml. of nicotine in the mix. The base PG/VG is affected to a volume minus the amount of nicotine.
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So the PG Should be 10.82ml but the Software says to add 10.86ml
So 10.82/10.86 = .9963
(1 - .9963) * 100 = .3683% Relative Error
I wonder if this Relative Error is Comparable to the Width of a Demarcation Line on a Typical Syringe?
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