DIYing for differant PV's?

[yanivriz]

Hey,
just got my first DIY order yesterday, with 12 flavors and 36 mg strength VG juice.

I have several PV, and noticed that each carto/atty, needs different mix.

I use only VG, since I'm sensitive to PG,and have to mix water to avoid burnt taste, thus having to add extra flavor to compensate the dilution.

is there a list of recipes for VG DIYing? or a list that is specific for the type of carto/atty/voltage your using?

 

[mwa102464]

You shouldn't be getting a burnt taste because of the VG, that seems a bit odd to me, are you using cartos and not Atty's ? If so you need to fill thoSe Cartos and let them sit a bit more and really make sure there filled and all the internals are wet, and Atty's surely shouldn't taste burnt. I can see adding a little more flavor as well as letting your juice steep for a while and if you just got your DIY Gear and your vaping your juice right away maybe you should let it steep for a 4 Days to a week then try it once everything mends together a little bit more. You can use some distilled water or PGA, but depending on what flavoring and percentage your using your probably not at 100% VG anywyas. Maybe you can touch on why you think your getting a burning taste a bit more ?

 

[markfm]

Nothing too magic about 0pg diy. I use perfumers apprentice tobacco blend alc and natures flavors organic coffee flavoring system for other things. These flavorings all have some alcohol in them, mixes will be decently thin, especially if you use a thinner vg nic base variant (one with a bit of pga in it).

Vanilla tobacco: 8% vanilla, 12% tpa tb. Black cherry or another nf berry can be substituted for the vanilla.

Caramel cappuccino. 9% caramel, 11% cappuccino.

Vananaberry: 8% vanilla, 8% banana, 6% strawberry

Have fun!

 

[yanivriz]

You shouldn't be getting a burnt taste because of the VG, that seems a bit odd to me, are you using cartos and not Atty's ? If so you need to fill thoSe Cartos and let them sit a bit more and really make sure there filled and all the internals are wet, and Atty's surely shouldn't taste burnt. I can see adding a little more flavor as well as letting your juice steep for a while and if you just got your DIY Gear and your vaping your juice right away maybe you should let it steep for a 4 Days to a week then try it once everything mends together a little bit more. You can use some distilled water or PGA, but depending on what flavoring and percentage your using your probably not at 100% VG anywyas. Maybe you can touch on why you think your getting a burning taste a bit more ?

Even before I DIYed, and had dekang and joytech VG juice, I had burnt taste problems with all types of LR systems- attys and cartoes.
so people here advised me to thin up my juice,and by doing that the problem was solved.
the only device that accepted VG with out thinning it,was the vivi nova tank,and I could crank up to 4.8 volts,and still not get any burnt taste.

but since I prefer to vape with other devices, like the CE2 cartoes-running at ego twist battery, I had 2 choices:
1- vape on 3.2 volts.
2-thin my juice with water.

I also like vaping with 510 240 MAh batteries,with atomizers, and found it impossible to thin my juice for it to run properly.
so I hade to start DIYing, since that way I can thin my juice with up to 50% water, and still have a 18 mg nicotine strength, just had to add extra flavorings.

so thats why I started DIYing, to try to create each carto/atty I use, the right type juice, depending on my past experience about- "how thin" each device likes.

so I assumed that Im not the first one to see these problems, thus hopped to find here people with recipes, that are "thinned depended" according to the system/voltage you use.

 

[Hoosier]

Well, yanivriz, I've never read of such a difficult time getting a proper flow from someone who hadn't given up. One thing, for certain, is that you have the apptitude for DIY mixing.

While I use different devices and setups, my mixes travel across the platforms without issue. Granted I have never used any CE2's and I'm not a cartomizer fan even though I use them once in awhile. (I have one recipe that is only great in a carto and have never been able to make it just as good in an atomizer, but the rest are fairly interchangable except for the reduction in taste and density of vapor that cartos give me over attys.)

One thing I would like to say is that not all VG is the same. I have found Proctor & Gamble's VG to have a better flow than any other I have tried to date. So you may want to find the producers of the VG's available to you and try different ones. A VG better suited to your basic mixture may require less additions to adjust it to each of your setups. Just a suggestion. (I'm pretty sure you're well on your way to being a master of mixing already.)

 

[hubseven]

Nothing too magic about 0pg diy. I use perfumers apprentice tobacco blend alc and natures flavors organic coffee flavoring system for other things. These flavorings all have some alcohol in them, mixes will be decently thin, especially if you use a thinner vg nic base variant (one with a bit of pga in it).

Vanilla tobacco: 8% vanilla, 12% tpa tb. Black cherry or another nf berry can be substituted for the vanilla.

Caramel cappuccino. 9% caramel, 11% cappuccino.

Vananaberry: 8% vanilla, 8% banana, 6% strawberry

Have fun!

Is the tpa tobacco blend you refer to have tobacco absolute in it?? I have tobacco blend-Pg and I have Tobacco Absolute- 50% diluted. Do they BOTH contain absolute? Thanks

 

[markfm]

Yes, tobacco blend is a mix of ethyl maltol and ta. I use the alc version for pg free mixing.

 

[Kurt]

I'm a VG man too. PG and PGA dry me out too much. I use this: %flavor + %water = ~22%. This works great in cartos or attys. Wick great in most devices...although not so great in some tanks. Burnt taste means atty or carto are dry, juice is not wicking to the coil, or there is not enough juice.

I recommend starting with single-flavor juices first, get to know the particular flavors you got, then start mixing them. Strawberry, for example, from one company might be very different than from another. Some can make you cough...don't use those. Some might get cloying or annoying or give you a headache. I would find what flavors agree with you first on their own before complicating things.

 

[wizard10000]

Another VG-only DIYer here

I *do* find that my all-day vape is pretty intolerant of high current - it vapes just fine on a 3.7v KGO battery with a 1.7 ohm single-coil but if I use a 1.5 ohm EMDCC on the same battery it wouldn't be my all-day vape for long. I just tried this yesterday out of curiosity and ended up pitching a brand new dual-coil carto

But - that's the exception rather than the rule. My experience pretty much mirrors Hoosier's, in that for the most part the difference in my jooses is a little more subtle when current is raised or lowered.

I'm gonna have to try the P&G VG, though - Hoosier's never steered me wrong

 

[buffaloguy]

I second Kurt's recommendation. Also a Vg guy here. One of the first issues I had was getting my juice to wick properly across a variety of equipment. In service I have an ego-c (notorious for wicking issues), an ego-w that uses clearomizers, a LT, 510-t, and an ovale elips. I drip for testing flavors, use tanks alot, and also have recently been using phoenix bottom coils from gotvapes (love love love these btw). Ive toyed around with other attys, cartos, and clearos too.

Long story short. I found (and it took me two weeks to figure it out) that if I make juices at 75%-80%vg, and the rest being flavoring and/or distilled water that I can put that liquid in any piece of equipment I use without any dry hitting. Ive YET to have one dry hit using the above ratios.

Now what was mentioned above by Hoosier is important. You have to account for the vg you use. One providers VG may/may not be thicker than another. The provider I use is consistant and I order every few weeks. That matters to me. It takes alot of guesswork out of diy. Quality and consistency is very important to making good juice. Once you find a provider you like, stick with em and try small amounts from other vendors from time to time. You may find something else you like more.

 

[mwa102464]

Yup all VG here and have been for a long time, PG makes me itch cant deal with it, but I have no issues with burning Atty's with my juice or carto's and love my DIY mixes nice and thick. Lately I've been using the high concentrate flavorings and really enjoy working with these more, takes less flavoring to achieve my desired results and my juice has a nice thick viscosity to it the way I like it. I only use Atomizer for the most part, modding my LR Attys with 316L SS Wool type mesh and they kick like mules. @ yanivriz seems like your not using enough juice maybe in your Attys and as I said on the first post with Carto's you need to fill them and let them sit for a while and fill some more until the entire internals are completely wet, otherwise if the filler gets burnt it's always gonna taste bad, same with Atty's in a way, make sure there wet and pump up the voltage a bit more maybe.

I agree with Hoosier not all VG is the same, I got 2 Gallons of the proctor Gamble myself and its good stuff, so are a few others. I never add water to my mixes though, I dont see a reason to do so using Attys and with the Alcohol base flavorings it cuts it enough, even with non alcohol based flavorings I'm good and have no burning.

yanivriz it's super your DIY'ing, it's the way to Roll, I'm sure you will get the wicking issue corrected, One thing is with CE2 type Cartos I can see how you may have your issue, have you tried the Stardust type CE Cartos too ? they seem to wick pretty good where the older CE2's always worked better with lower voltages these wick and you can crank em up like your Vivi Nova, and with that 510 Atty try a bigger Mah Batt with PWM like an Ego or Ego Twist, as well as a VV or VW Mod, I think this will give you a better vape than the little 240MaH batt your using for sure

 

[yanivriz]

I dont have a problem with dry attys or cartoes, because I fill them well,and let them simmer for a while.

but like other people pointed out- it seems that 20% water works great on my DIYs juices so far.
and I try only one flavor at a time,since that seemed very logic to know first each flavor.

yesterday I had my first cappuccino DIY, used the recipe from ECF, and found it the best juice ever! thats really a nice feeling, to know that there are always better tastes waiting around to be discovered and created!

Is it just me? or once you start DIYing,you find your vaporing almost twice as much as before,just to try more juice recipes?

 

[Kurt]

I dont have a problem with dry attys or cartoes, because I fill them well,and let them simmer for a while.

but like other people pointed out- it seems that 20% water works great on my DIYs juices so far.
and I try only one flavor at a time,since that seemed very logic to know first each flavor.

yesterday I had my first cappuccino DIY, used the recipe from ECF, and found it the best juice ever! thats really a nice feeling, to know that there are always better tastes waiting around to be discovered and created!

Is it just me? or once you start DIYing,you find your vaporing almost twice as much as before,just to try more juice recipes?

Oh, yeah, that is the truth! Same is true when going to LR...you just vaporize a lot more liquid!

As Hoosier said about not all VG being the same thickness, not all VG-nic is either. Most of the ones I have are not thinned, and my formula applies to those VG-nics. But there are some really good VG-nics that are thinned some with water or PGA. Ecigexpress and Vermont Vapor uses water, I think about 10% or so (exact number might be wrong). Another company whose name escapes me uses 5% PGA in all their unflavored VG-nic. You can always ask the vendor, they should be able to tell you. And my formula might not be what you want.

And if someone can come up with a way to have VG juices wick in those tanks better, I'm all ears. Maybe they don't wick PG juices well either...not gonna do the experiment myself. And I don't want to use PGA at all, although that probably helps with wicking a lot, being more nonpolar than water (less surface tension).

 

[Cyrus Vap]

And if someone can come up with a way to have VG juices wick in those tanks better, I'm all ears. Maybe they don't wick PG juices well either...not gonna do the experiment myself. And I don't want to use PGA at all, although that probably helps with wicking a lot, being more nonpolar than water (less surface tension).

Just my opinion and observations here

I used CE2s, Visions and stardusts exclusively for a while. What I found and was able to reproduce a few times after getting the Provari

1) Unthinned VG, burnt hits above 4 volts or so (2.2 - 2.4 ohms)

2) Thinned VG (PG consistency, pretty much Kurt's equation, maybe a bit more thin) wicking like a beast at 5 volts (2.2-2.4 ohms)

This all assumes fluffing wicks and all that jazz. And yeah, they don't wick PG that well without modding in my opinion Unless of course you use cotton wicks, but that's another story

And then mwa and hoosier schooled me on atomizers and made my stash obsolete... and now all I do is drip lol

 

[Hoosier]

And then mwa and hoosier schooled me on atomizers and made my stash obsolete... and now all I do is drip lol

Amazing what a difference the right hardware makes, no?

 

[panachronic]

I have found Proctor & Gamble's VG to have a better flow than any other I have tried to date.

Now that right there is some highly useful information.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Amazing what a difference the right hardware makes, no?

yes sir! I thought I was going to hate dripping due to the 'inconvenience' but honestly I'm tasting my DIY in an entirely new way now. Provari + good atomizers is like accuracy + accuracy = more accuracy

That is good info on the VG. Hoosier do you have a favorite PG and VG that you regularly get?