DNA 200 Watt

[BNEAT]

Does anyone know if the DNA200 will operate with less than the recommended battery power?? (3 18650s get you 200watts, 2 will get you 100watts, etc.)

Or was this already discussed and I missed it?

 

[Mooch]

I'm not into DIY electronics...I'm a retired engineer but definitely not into that. I just want something that I can take with me to the mountains and not have to worry about running out of power. That means I need to be able to replace a depleted battery while sitting on a rock in the woods. I've avoided non replaceable battery mods in the past and I intend to in the future as long as I can.

I don't know how much it would cost to make a battery that is robust enough for the back pack and put a decent connector in a mod but if no one is likely to do that then I'll keep using what I have or wait for a better solution.

Duane

They're doing "hard packs" now for R/C applications, with hard cases around the LiPo's. But they're only for physical protection, they're unprotected electronically. All that can certainly be added though.

The tech is there. It only needs a manufacturer that thinks there's a market for such a battery pack.
Hmm...maybe I'll get the gig!

 

[Cotay]

Does anyone know if the DNA200 will operate with less than the recommended battery power?? (3 18650s get you 200watts, 2 will get you 100watts, etc.)

Or was this already discussed and I missed it?

Mike Petro noted that the voltage input range is 9-12.6vdc, so two 18650s (at 7.4vdc) won't work.

 

[BNEAT]

Mike Petro noted that the voltage input range is 9-12.6vdc, so two 18650s (at 7.4vdc) won't work.

Thanks. I do remember reading that.

 

[Yozhik]

In terms of you DIY'ing a pack?
Or that no manufacturer will do this?

It certainly possible that a manufacturer will create a protected pack but this industry is incredibly cost sensitive. I don't know if it will sell.

innokin's launching a protected LiPo battery pack with the Innokin Disrupter:

"The InnoCell is a compact high-quality LiPo battery pack with advanced integrated safety features like automatic short-circuit shut off, low voltage reserve and a much longer lifespan with an average of more than 300 charge & discharge cycles - at least 30% more than a standard 18650!"

INNOKIN DISRUPTER ( COMING SOON)

 

[KTMRider]

Innokin's launching a protected LiPo battery pack with the Innokin Disrupter:

"The InnoCell is a compact high-quality LiPo battery pack with advanced integrated safety features like automatic short-circuit shut off, low voltage reserve and a much longer lifespan with an average of more than 300 charge & discharge cycles - at least 30% more than a standard 18650!"

INNOKIN DISRUPTER ( COMING SOON)

Most standard 18650's have a 300-500 cycle.

 

[Mooch]

Innokin's launching a protected LiPo battery pack with the Innokin Disrupter:

"The InnoCell is a compact high-quality LiPo battery pack with advanced integrated safety features like automatic short-circuit shut off, low voltage reserve and a much longer lifespan with an average of more than 300 charge & discharge cycles - at least 30% more than a standard 18650!"

INNOKIN DISRUPTER ( COMING SOON)

Oh, fudge. There goes my gig.

 

[Yozhik]

Most standard 18650's have a 300-500 cycle.

Or they only last 200 cycles if the current used is high enough. For example, the LG HE4 lasts only 200 cycles at 20A. The thing about both types of batteries is that the closer you get to the C-rating (max discharge), the lower the cycle life. If someone vapes at 200W, that LiPo is probably only going to last 100~150 cycles. At 40W usage, it's going to last a lot longer.

 

[Jazzman]

That's true Yozhik. LiPos are no different that 18650 Lion in that regard. A good quality LiPo cell will last much longer than a bargain brand LiPo. And you are also right that pushing a cell to it's limit will degrade performance faster than using them at a moderate level. The difference with LiPos is that you can get cells that are rated at up to 100C continuous discharge rating, so a quality LiPo cell will handle the loads better than a quality Lion cell. Lion were never meant to be discharged at high C levels, where that is the strong point of LiPo cells.

 

[Yozhik]

That's true Yozhik. LiPos are no different that 18650 Lion in that regard. A good quality LiPo cell will last much longer than a bargain brand LiPo. And you are also right that pushing a cell to it's limit will degrade performance faster than using them at a moderate level. The difference with LiPos is that you can get cells that are rated at up to 100C continuous discharge rating, so a quality LiPo cell will handle the loads better than a quality Lion cell. Lion were never meant to be discharged at high C levels, where that is the strong point of LiPo cells.

Not really interested in a LiPo vs Lithium Ion holy war. The batteries use the same chemistry and both are capable of high power. For example, an ANR26650 can deliver 70A continuous power. That's almost enough power in one battery (i.e., 200W) to actually run the DNA200. And sure, someone could use a $100 5" tall 100C LiPo battery, though I think we'd have to call that a brick mod.

My only concern with LiPo is that it uses a well-designed protection package if it's meant to be swappable. Otherwise, both batteries are fine for vaping and which one a manufacturer will choose will depend on the trade-offs between them.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

the main concern is i live in california. It gets hot outside and in my car, you can say just dont leave it in your car but im not looking for a mod that i cant bring places or just vape at home. the LiPo in that vaporshark really is a killer for me. Also the whole replaceable battery thing, I've already owned one LiPo DNA30 mod, and i hated that I couldnt just swap batteries in when the old one discharged, this is why I have been mainly using my vaporshark rDNA40 over my old dna30 mod, the lipo DNA30 is basically retired due to not being able to just swap n go, and not having peace of mind being able to leave it in my car at the college campus.

from the opus200 page under the header 'Caution!"

'Do not keep Opus 200 in a hot car. Let cool down before use. Do not sustain high wattage vaping for more than 1 second bursts. Do not drop unit or otherwise mechanically abuse it. Internal battery may sustain damage.'

more than 1s bursts...lol! Presumably it pulse-fires at 200W anyway?!?!

 

[TheotherSteveS]

any chance there will be a lower wattage version of this chip, say 60/70W???

ps. so a version that we can just use for vaping rather than powering a small village...

 

[TheotherSteveS]

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[mikepetro]

so for those of us with DNA 40 mods now, will there be a way to put a DNA200 in it, or am i going to have to buy a new mod....again lol...

The sizes are very different, it would NOT be a plug and play swap. If it is possible at all would depend on your enclosure and Modding skills.

 

[SF0059]

So much battery talk...

Back to the chip. I think what we are looking at with the DNA200 is a flagship device. I've seen some concern on here that there might be too much power for the average Joe Vaper or the board will be too complex. Well, you are right in some regard. This is a device designed for experienced vapers and also gives Evolv the opportunity to show everything they can do, much like YiHi did with the SX350j. This isn't designed to have market appeal to those coming off Ego batteries.

What is happening that hasn't been discussed yet is that Evolv is moving themselves into the position of being a full line chip manufacturer, much like YiHi, with low to high end.

At the low end you have the DNA25, 30 and 40. At the high end, the DNA200. What is missing for now is the middle. No one has said this yet, but I think the rumored DNA70 could very well be that mid tier chip. It could easily combine some of the tech from the 200 while allowing traditional battery power.

Flagship devices aren't for everyone, but the great part is it allows new technology to trickle down the product line. It is to early to see how this will all shake out, but this certainly takes things in an exciting direction.

Now I need to create a hidden DNA200 slush fund and hope the mod looks enough like some of my old ones that my wife won't know it is a new mod...

P.S. - Personally, I applaud Evolv for actually going with a battery pack that will guarantee enough voltage for accurate power delivery. Sure, there are other 200 watt mods out there with traditional batteries... however, they don't have the voltage to get to that point so they resort to electronic trickery *cough* Snow Wolf *cough*. Regardless of your views of lipos, at least with the DNA200 your are going to get a flat power delivery all the way to 200 watts.

 

[Cotay]

So much battery talk...

Back to the chip. I think what we are looking at with the DNA200 is a flagship device. I've seen some concern on here that there might be too much power for the average Joe Vaper or the board will be too complex. Well, you are right in some regard. This is a device designed for experienced vapers and also gives Evolv the opportunity to show everything they can do, much like YiHi did with the SX350j. This isn't designed to have market appeal to those coming off Ego batteries.

What is happening that hasn't been discussed yet is that Evolv is moving themselves into the position of being a full line chip manufacturer, much like YiHi, with low to high end.

At the low end you have the DNA25, 30 and 40. At the high end, the DNA200. What is missing for now is the middle. No one has said this yet, but I think the rumored DNA70 could very well be that mid tier chip. It could easily combine some of the tech from the 200 while allowing traditional battery power.

Flagship devices aren't for everyone, but the great part is it allows new technology to trickle down the product line. It is to early to see how this will all shake out, but this certainly takes things in an exciting direction.

Now I need to create a hidden DNA200 slush fund and hope the mod looks enough like some of my old ones that my wife won't know it is a new mod...

P.S. - Personally, I applaud Evolv for actually going with a battery pack that will guarantee enough voltage for accurate power delivery. Sure, there are other 200 watt mods out there with traditional batteries... however, they don't have the voltage to get to that point so they resort to electronic trickery *cough* Snow Wolf *cough*. Regardless of your views of lipos, at least with the DNA200 your are going to get a flat power delivery all the way to 200 watts.

I was thinking this as well.

 

[TheBloke]

At the low end you have the DNA25, 30 and 40. At the high end, the DNA200. What is missing for now is the middle. No one has said this yet, but I think the rumored DNA70 could very well be that mid tier chip. It could easily combine some of the tech from the 200 while allowing traditional battery power.

Flagship devices aren't for everyone, but the great part is it allows new technology to trickle down the product line. It is to early to see how this will all shake out, but this certainly takes things in an exciting direction.

Yes I am certain this is going to happen. I cannot see any possibility that Evolv limit themselves to a 200W device requiring a Lipo or 3x18650. There's going to be a DNA 70, or 80, or whatever they can make work with 1x18650.

Plenty of people love their single battery devices - the rDNAs, the Hana v4m, etc. I don't know the sizes of Lipos so maybe they can find one that small but if so I assume it won't provide the same max 200W. Even if it does, the mere fact it is 200W is going to put some people off.

It might be two weeks or it might be two months, but a middle-tier device will be announced, I am certain of it. It would be stupid not to. Once you've made the first chip, making a lesser powered version is a small fraction of the work and clearly there's the market for it.

 

[SavePaperVapor]

So much battery talk...

Back to the chip. I think what we are looking at with the DNA200 is a flagship device. I've seen some concern on here that there might be too much power for the average Joe Vaper or the board will be too complex. Well, you are right in some regard. This is a device designed for experienced vapers and also gives Evolv the opportunity to show everything they can do, much like YiHi did with the SX350j. This isn't designed to have market appeal to those coming off Ego batteries.

What is happening that hasn't been discussed yet is that Evolv is moving themselves into the position of being a full line chip manufacturer, much like YiHi, with low to high end.

At the low end you have the DNA25, 30 and 40. At the high end, the DNA200. What is missing for now is the middle. No one has said this yet, but I think the rumored DNA70 could very well be that mid tier chip. It could easily combine some of the tech from the 200 while allowing traditional battery power.

Flagship devices aren't for everyone, but the great part is it allows new technology to trickle down the product line. It is to early to see how this will all shake out, but this certainly takes things in an exciting direction.

Now I need to create a hidden DNA200 slush fund and hope the mod looks enough like some of my old ones that my wife won't know it is a new mod...

P.S. - Personally, I applaud Evolv for actually going with a battery pack that will guarantee enough voltage for accurate power delivery. Sure, there are other 200 watt mods out there with traditional batteries... however, they don't have the voltage to get to that point so they resort to electronic trickery *cough* Snow Wolf *cough*. Regardless of your views of lipos, at least with the DNA200 your are going to get a flat power delivery all the way to 200 watts.

lol. I'm getting the vapor shark simply because it looks like the DNA 40. Hopefully fool the better half.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

lol. I'm getting the vapor shark simply because it looks like the DNA 40. Hopefully fool the better half.

that baby is going to be crammed with LiPo!!!

 

[tweetatog]

lol. I'm getting the vapor shark simply because it looks like the DNA 40. Hopefully fool the better half.

My thoughts EXACTLY I don't think she'll notice lol