DNA 200 Watt

[retird]

Hey there retired was curious if we have to use LiPo's or will 2 18650's work up to certain wattage? Id rather have less watts and utilize a flask style mod. thanks

From my understanding options can probably include LiPo (3s), LifePro4 (3s), 12 volt power supply (no batteries installed) and 3 good 18650's.

From a vendor's web site:

Input voltage requirement 9-12.6vdc
Input current requirement 23A
Output voltage 9vdc
Max Output current 50A continuous (55A instantaneous)
batteries supported: 3s Lipo – 3S LifePO4 – External Power Supply, and Evolv engineers speculate that 3 high quality 18650s should work.

 

[KTMRider]

I really think the development cycle will make you desire to swap out prior to a year. In fact, if they can get to a year without me thinking that it was a big jump forward then I would be happy and be actually spending less. I am not actively vaping anything less than three months old and have given away lots of stuff in the six month category currently due to the shear advancement in the market. I would love a year life cycle, two would be great. Soon we will have auto screen orientation, auto wire/metal selection, serialization of atomizers, blue tooth, induction coils, timers, choice of IOS or Android as the base OS, clocks, alarms, gps and you name it as the standard.

Seriously, this tech is still in the stone age...wait till it matures...it will be amazing.

My first DNA40 device (VS rDNA40) is going on 8 months and I still use it almost every day. I still buy new mods but the rDNA is in my daily rotation and often my main device.

Retird,

Actually I think there are several that are already doing the slip off slip on battery modules. What is the chance they will be priced similar to 18650s? That was a stunt pulled by the cellphone companies when you used to be able to replace their batteries there was no two manufacturers that used the same dimensions. I still have some of those things laying around because every time they came out with a new phone they changed the physical dimensions of the battery.

What ever happened to "Go Green".

Lipo modules will definitely be more expensive simply because there won't be a spec size or connector. Each mod manufacturer will build their own. Cell phones still use their own proprietary designs. Now they have battery covers over them rather than built as the covers.

I don't think the Hanna device is LiPo...it's just a couple of detachable sleds that hold 18650's Right?
I know a user replaceable LiPo pack can be made for vaping. It's been done for cameras and some cell phones /power tools etc.
No doubt it can be done technically but Mooch earlier said he deisgns that sort of thing and said

"Definitely, that's the stuff I design for a living. But, you need a hard case and the protection tech adds to the parts cost for the battery pack. That dooms the thing before it even gets out the door.

I hope he's wrong.

I'm hoping that Evolv will want to be a leader in creating a power supply alternative/standard for their device which would be consumer friendly to those who aren't into disposable or redundent vaping devices.

Duane

Correct, they're battery sleds that use 18650's.

There so much talk about batteries and the chip isn't out yet. I'm guessing the DNA200 will be out by the end of the week or next week. We'll have more info then to have a better discussion rather than this sad mental .........ion.

 

[HolmanGT]

Be interesting to see what comes and the price points.... I've used LiPo's for years and they were cost effective.

Retird,

I didn't really mean the cost of LiPos themselves but all the different form factors by each Mod maker will tend to bump cost I would think. Not exactly like an 18650 that a gazillion Mods use. The volume of one physical style would be the way to keep prices down.

Can you imaging if there were more than about four different style flashlight batteries It would be a nightmare just trying to find someone that sold the style you needed. Oh - and I can hardly afford flashlight batteries these days.

Anyway I guess we shall see...

PS - didn't I read that the DNA 200 could use standard "quality" 18650s?

 

[alicewonderland]

lol on plumes of hazard, masty fired it at 200w wet cotton/coil and it just caught insta fire. Why 200W again evolv?! I hope people like breathing in fire

 

[USMCotaku]

Well on the first part at my age I can definitely identify with your sensitivity.

Why can't they put a LiPo in and 18650 package? Items I have taken apart with Lipos just look and feel like a lump of clay. Kind of looks like you could put them in any form factor you like which is one of the reason I thought they used them in cellphones (yes I know they also have greater output).

They do have lipos in 18650 package... That's what is used in mods like the istick, and even the new evic vt.... They are single cells

 

[druckle]

My first DNA40 device (VS rDNA40) is going on 8 months and I still use it almost every day. I still buy new mods but the rDNA is in my daily rotation and often my main device.


Lipo modules will definitely be more expensive simply because there won't be a spec size or connector. Each mod manufacturer will build their own. Cell phones still use their own proprietary designs. Now they have battery covers over them rather than built as the covers.


Correct, they're battery sleds that use 18650's.

There so much talk about batteries and the chip isn't out yet. I'm guessing the DNA200 will be out by the end of the week or next week. We'll have more info then to have a better discussion rather than this sad mental .........ion.

Gee we've had quite a lot of information supplied by folks who seem to be quite familiar with the DNA 200. Surely you don't consider it mental .........ion to consider and discuss the features and operation of this new device? I think it helps people understand more than a paragraph of advertising copy will be able to convey.

Duane

 

[HolmanGT]

They do have lipos in 18650 package... That's what is used in mods like the istick, and even the new evic vt.... They are single cells

Ah... there is still hope for this "Old Dog".

 

[d.g.]

There are just 2 things that his board lacks from the comments I read, one of which is fixable.

1- No preset for Ti - I know you can change it in the software but if I can't change between Ti, Nickel and kanthal without plugging it to a computer that is a design error. Although I don't use Ti, the folks who use it might hate this. But as I said before, this can be fixed with an update.

2- From the comments I understand that this one is not fixable. Ability to use 1 or 2 18650 batteries after locking the wattage to let's say 60 watts in the software. So this is a turn off for me. Now I understand Evolve is pretty much saying LiPo is the future etc. but it would be nice to have this feature on board. This way, even famous modders could create new mods that use 2 18650 with 60w limit. For examle they can lock the software so people who don't know what they are doing can't increase that limit.

On a different note, i find both Evolv fanboys and and haters disturbing. It is very easy to say negative things without attacking people or positive things without being condescending.

I typed this on my phone so sorry for the typos.

 

[alicewonderland]

lets get into the discussion of battery life of LiPo's running at 60+ wattage.

 

[d.g.]

150 cycles probably.

Edit: or it can rather vary between 150 to 250 depending on wattage. 150+watts might decrease the total cycle available to 150's.

 

[alicewonderland]

150 cycles probably.

i was more referring to, like how long would it last you til you had to recharge it? Wondering what type of mah the LiPo batteries these companies are going to be putting into this device. LiPo's can be more compact and provide more power compared to 18650's, but how will this effect battery life. I see some LiPo batteries at like 2000-3000+mah, but theyre like 50-70$ a piece and im not sure if these are even the correct batteries that would go into our mods , with the pricepoint known of the dna200 vaporshark already being said ~200$, I wonder what type of LiPo they are using in that.

 

[d.g.]

I guess it also depends on the efficiency of the board?

By the way I don't know if it is possible but under the same wattage using the same ogm coil, I get different life from the same battery using different atty brands. Is it possible?

 

[alicewonderland]

I guess it also depends on the efficiency of the board?

By the way I don't know if it is possible but under the same wattage using the same ogm coil, I get different life from the same battery using different atty brands. Is it possible?

i think thats a real hard thing to keep track of because youd have to vape exactly the same as well. Too many factors involved.

They are saying the dna200 board is probably the first mod to give you an actual 200watts, but wouldnt one be more worried about draining the battery too quick at higher wattages and having to charge your mod again several times a day?

 

[Mooch]

I guess it also depends on the efficiency of the board?

By the way I don't know if it is possible but under the same wattage using the same ogm coil, I get different life from the same battery using different atty brands. Is it possible?

The efficiencies of these types of power supplies is usually in the mid-90% range. With the right power supply controller it can be up as high as 98%. But with the compromises needed to shrink its size as much as possible, and therefore using smaller and higher resistance components, the efficiency drops back down to the low-90% range.

Also, the higher power models are (almost) always lower in efficiency than lower power models of the same design. There's just no room, or $$, to spec larger components that will have the same low losses as the lower power supplies do.

 

[Bassnorma]

could be about kanthal TC?

I wish...nickel is a PITA

 

[J-Red045]

Not sure if anybody posted this yet but~ https://instagram.com/p/366TJyE2lA/

 

[USMCotaku]

lets get into the discussion of battery life of LiPo's running at 60+ wattage.

From a real world use perspective, I get around 4 hours (use time) from a 1200 mah lipo in my variant running at 120-130 watts. At 60 I can go all day. At 30 watts I can go all day on my 800 mah lipo.

 

[alicewonderland]

The efficiencies of these types of power supplies is usually in the mid-90% range. With the right power supply controller it can be up as high as 98%. But with the compromises needed to shrink its size as much as possible, and therefore using smaller and higher resistance components, the efficiency drops back down to the low-90% range.

Also, the higher power models are (almost) always lower in efficiency than lower power models of the same design. There's just no room, or $$, to spec larger components that will have the same low losses as the lower power supplies do.

that makes me curious, cuz its rumoured the dna200 board is like 80-100$, which leaves around 100-120$ left for the actual mod+battery, at the price range the two dna200 devices that were announced at.

 

[alicewonderland]

From a real world use perspective, I get around 4 hours (use time) from a 1200 mah lipo in my variant running at 120-130 watts. At 60 I can go all day. At 30 watts I can go all day on my 800 mah lipo.

mah isnt different from 18650s to lipos right? the way I vape I go through 3 fully charged VTC4 (2100mah) a day, 40watt vaping. This is about 10ml a day.

 

[SavePaperVapor]

lol on plumes of hazard, masty fired it at 200w wet cotton/coil and it just caught insta fire. Why 200W again evolv?! I hope people like breathing in fire

Quad coils. One can actually have a cool, super thick vape at 200 watts. Not for me, but some dig it.