DNA 40, NR, Nickel Builds

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tchavei

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Not sure how much the dna meter is accurate.

A spaced 10 wrap hardened 28g ni200 on a 2.5mm mandrel coil is read by my board as 0.1 instead of 0.12

So either steam engine has the calcs off, the board is reading lower than it should or I have some kind of super conductive wire...

Either way, it's not reading 0.12

And before someone blames my build, I have NEVER seen a bad build having a lower resistance in it's path than intended. It's usually the opposite.

Ps: I checked twice that no wrap was touching it's neighbor.

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Looks like they have 30g now. (out of stock tho)
Someone in the states, really needs to get the tempered stock............

This was an old post but I thought you guys might like to know that I spoke with Temco and asked if they could produce some tempered NI200 for the vaping community
and they said yes. Didnt get a time frame but Ill check back and see what I can find out.

Also I can confirm the USAohmeters are VERY accurate, I have the 3d printed one and it works great for nickel builds.

VaporDNA has a new micro ohm meter they claim is accurate up to 2 decimal points of accuracy. Not sure if its actually a micro ohm meter or if they just call it that cause of its size.
 
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Been on a mission to find a good RDA to use with nickel. Wanted a 2 post so there would be plenty of room for the larger coils. Not much of an RDA guy, but there are not many 2 post atty's out there. The Dotmod Petri looked perfect, but the price is a bit steep. I had the Magma, which worked, but I was not a fan of the tight airflow. Settled on the Holmes RDA V1 which looks like it might me a winner. There isn't much out there about it, but what there is seems pretty positive and for $20 it isn't much of a risk.

Anyone have any experience with it?
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Been on a mission to find a good RDA to use with nickel. Wanted a 2 post so there would be plenty of room for the larger coils. Not much of an RDA guy, but there are not many 2 post atty's out there. The Dotmod Petri looked perfect, but the price is a bit steep. I had the Magma, which worked, but I was not a fan of the tight airflow. Settled on the Holmes RDA V1 which looks like it might me a winner. There isn't much out there about it, but what there is seems pretty positive and for $20 it isn't much of a risk.

Anyone have any experience with it?
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Check out the xpure Classic from smoktek. 2 post design with through the post slots and large thumb screws and a deep well. Unique threaded airflow. It's the best rda I've found for nickel builds also you might revisit the IGO L. The price is very reasonable for either one.
 

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Anyone built a nickel build on a marquis before? I can never get a proper dual coil build that heats up evenly. And the amount of coils just to get it to 0.1ohms is ridiculous. I think maybe I did 12 wraps each around a 3mm post?

Yes, couple of nights ago built a dual with 17-18 wraps of 28 awg. Came in at 0.11-12 ohms.

Unlike the Kanthal builds shown on YT it is. tricky process requiring more than a little practice. Don't be put off if you 'fail' a time or two. And above all do not over-wick.

Big clouds and flavor at 35-40 watts.


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Yes, couple of nights ago built a dual with 17-18 wraps of 28 awg. Came in at 0.11-12 ohms.

Unlike the Kanthal builds shown on YT it is. tricky process requiring more than a little practice. Don't be put off if you 'fail' a time or two. And above all do not over-wick.

Big clouds and flavor at 35-40 watts.


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17-18 wraps??? Can you send a photo over how do you even fit it
 

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Been on a mission to find a good RDA to use with nickel. Wanted a 2 post so there would be plenty of room for the larger coils. Not much of an RDA guy, but there are not many 2 post atty's out there. The Dotmod Petri looked perfect, but the price is a bit steep. I had the Magma, which worked, but I was not a fan of the tight airflow. Settled on the Holmes RDA V1 which looks like it might me a winner. There isn't much out there about it, but what there is seems pretty positive and for $20 it isn't much of a risk.

Anyone have any experience with it?
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Right now I have 2 Magma clones set up for Ni. Single coil on one side, both sides wide open (air adjustment ring removed). With the one hole coil-free and unobstructed I still get plenty of vapor and plenty airflow.
No experience to report with the Holmes RDA V1 but it looks much like the Magma in principle.
 

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17-18 wraps??? Can you send a photo over how do you even fit it

Better than a photo is a step by step guide. Took me better part of an hour to get it down.

1. I used the rod from the Kuro Coiler to get a close, tight wrap. (Good as Basilray's YT vid is it provides only "hints" for Ni 200.)

2. Used two of the rods (small side of the 3 mm) because when done you need some room to pull the rod out without damaging the coil.

3. With both coils held in place from the holes in the deck and the tops with your fingers, attach a lead to each of the negative screws.

[Now comes the really tricky part if you are using a 'replica' though not a problem on the authentic. The authentic has a _very smart_ washer and taller "crown" on the positive pin that easily catches the wires. The replica has neither.]

4. Still holding the tops of the building rods attach each wire holding the first to the side of the base until the second is attached.

5. Screw the connections down as tight as you can without stripping the screw head.

6. Make a thin roll of KGD to slowly, and carefully, slide into the coil. A toothpick is my tool of choice. [Basilray used a double piece of cotton stuffed into Kanthal that will NOT work for Ni200.] You must not mangle the coil!!!

7. Add very tiny bits of cotton to the well to cover the base.

7. Check out the build on your ohm meter.

Good luck

8. Vape it . :)



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Right now I have 2 Magma clones set up for Ni. Single coil on one side, both sides wide open (air adjustment ring removed). With the one hole coil-free and unobstructed I still get plenty of vapor and plenty airflow.
No experience to report with the Holmes RDA V1 but it looks much like the Magma in principle.

Yea, I ran mine the same way, single coil with the ring removed. Like I said, it worked, but even running it that way the airflow wasn't enough. Some of the reviews I saw did compare it to the Magma with more airflow....fingers crossed.

I went into Kidney Puncher the other day and the employee there was using a great 2 post atty with ample side airflow and a huge deck. I said, "I WANT THAT", and he said it was a prototype :( He did say it may be released soon though.
 

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17-18 wraps??? Can you send a photo over how do you even fit it
I've got a Marquis with external wick that works nice...
This picture is old (but handy) and looks to be prior to making the coils even ... should show the idea anyway.
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Works best if wick seals intake area to make sure all air flow goes through the coil.

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Very juicy vape! One of my favorite dual coil BF attys if only it wasn't so BIG.
 
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Well my first nickel build on the m class is in, after a bit of annoyance. The stuff is so soft...waiting for some hard nickel from the UK but ordered some of the soft stuff from the states first.

So I did 12 spaced wraps, 28 gauge ni200 on a 3mm screw, reading 0.21ohms. Set the temp to 390F.

The vape is a LOT warmer then I'm used to, actually nice but gets a bit hot over time. If I press and hold the fire button, it doesn't seem to go over 200F, why is that? Running it at 13J. I tried setting it at 35J for kicks, it hits 390 pretty quick and tastes burnt as hell.

Flavor is really, really nice, initially. Somehow I'm not positive the TC is really working, the vapor gets really hot after holding it down (13J). Any help appreciated!

My atomizer really hot to the touch, but screen still showing only 200f on fire at 13J..
 

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Did you check what resistance you should have on steam engine? 0.21 seems awful high with 28g and 12 wraps.

That alone could throw of your temperature settings.

Did you set the base resistance with the mod and atty at same temperature?

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Well my first nickel build on the m class is in, after a bit of annoyance. The stuff is so soft...waiting for some hard nickel from the UK but ordered some of the soft stuff from the states first.

So I did 12 spaced wraps, 28 gauge ni200 on a 3mm screw, reading 0.21ohms. Set the temp to 390F.

The vape is a LOT warmer then I'm used to, actually nice but gets a bit hot over time. If I press and hold the fire button, it doesn't seem to go over 200F, why is that? Running it at 13J. I tried setting it at 35J for kicks, it hits 390 pretty quick and tastes burnt as hell.

Flavor is really, really nice, initially. Somehow I'm not positive the TC is really working, the vapor gets really hot after holding it down (13J). Any help appreciated!

My atomizer really hot to the touch, but screen still showing only 200f on fire at 13J..

.21 ohms 12 wrap 28g on 3mm sounds about right to me.
My guess is hot spot and or loose connection.
Temp control doesn't work right if you have one of those.
Also, some attys center pin setups aren't electrically conductive enough for temp control.
Any of those probably will not show up until under power so base resistance can be deceiving.
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    Hello! I haven't read this thread for a while even though I still love TC. The thread kind of exploded and I couldn't keep up. Tried to read up a few times but it was so much but I am OCD and what to do and then my brain tilted lol.


    I just got a vapor flask clone with the Kangxin DNA40 clone chip today. It's not quite as nice as the original DNA40 but it works. My main problem is it shows the "temp protect" forever and doesn't show the actual watts that are used often / updated enough. It also has a 0.5 sec firing delay! I'll definitely have to put an original DNA40 in there.

    My best nickel build so far is a triple twisted 32AWG dual coil build around a 3mm screw with 14 wraps. Comes out to 0.08 ohm and needs about a second to heat up at 40 watts. Temps out at 440°F with about 30-35 watts. I really love it except for the slow ramp up time which I'm not used to at all anymore.

    I've also bought more wire to play with. I still like the grade 2 titanium wire but it's such a PITA to work with because it's so incredibly elastic. The grade 1 titanium wire seems (much) more easy to work with. Maybe it's just the difference between alloyed and tempered / work tempered. Maybe you just have to heat up ti gr2 wire once and it gets softer.

    BTW stainless steel wire also works with temperature control. I initially tested 304 stainless steel (or 1.4301 or X5CrNi18-10 or "V2A" or Versuchsschmelze 2 Austenit!) and it's temperature coefficient is probably about 40% of that of nickel. Which means that even if you set it to 200°F it's still hotter than 440°F. But it works theoretically. So if evolv would just add a different mode for different materials this would work well. Maybe the SX350J will release an update with different mods for wire materials. I haven't yet tested the 316L yet (FYI G-Plat is also just stainless Steel 316L surgical grade or 317L welding wire). Maybe it has a higher TCR.

    I've done a quick test on my coiling jig with one side clamped down with the screw and the other pulled tight with pliers. It's a huge difference! Imagine a big coil springing back like the grade 2 titanium lol. The stainless steel wire is tough (much less soft than nickel) but quite maleable (not springy). Here is a picture (excuse my crappy handwriting, it's late).



    I haven't tested the temperature yet. Can you read wire temperature with an IR thermometer?



    Settled on the Holmes RDA V1 which looks like it might me a winner. There isn't much out there about it, but what there is seems pretty positive and for $20 it isn't much of a risk.

    The Holmes is fine. For me the V1 had a little bit too much airflow. The juice well unfortunately doesn't hold more than the Magma. If the airflow outlets would be closer to the center it would be more leak resistant against tilting / over dripping (like the innovative but unsuccessful Aris RDA)

    Has anyone tried to drill out the Magma to 3mm?

    I just wish the Freakshow would have two posts.



    My atomizer really hot to the touch, but screen still showing only 200f on fire at 13J..


    It might well be that TC isn't working though. 390°F should be a rather cool vape. Maybe you just need to manually reset the resistance when the coils are at room temperature? I actually like that feature of the SX350J. Or maybe you have a connectivity issue e.g. with the posts holes and you need to gently screw down some more. Or your 510. Welcome to TC! But reset your resistance first just in case your resistance is futile!


    Honestly especially with the "innovative Jihi unit" they are using I would just set it to MAX and only use temperature. Nobody knows what the joules mean because they simply make no sense in the context they are using them. Just set it to max and adjust the temperature to your taste.
     
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