Do all 801's suck? or is it just mine?

[6linkslam]

new fully filled carts and 2 puffs later it tastes burnt like crazy. let it sit for about 5 minutes and 1 more puff before it tastes burnt again. i pulled the ptb out of a fresh filled cart after 4-5 good drags and it was damn near dry. do the 801's normally suck up that much juice? my 510 as everyone knows has a much smaller cart but it lasts so much longer than this new 801 i just got. can someone please shed a little light on this for me?

 

[Sun Vaporer]

The 801 is a great atomizer--it takes a lot more e-liquid though---the cartridge holds 1.4ml so load it up and keep it wet as it is a juice hog.

Sun

 

[jboze]

6link, did your atty come dry w/ no primer fluid? If so, flood the thing with like 6-7 drops of juice and let it sit for a good 10-15 mins at least. The wick is dried all the way out and isn't wicking the fluid well from the carts. I had to do this with mine as well. Took me forever to figure out why it was burning and leaking fluid at the same time.... Basically the dried up wick is burning inside the atomizer while the fluid just kinda leaks out.

 

[6linkslam]

6link, did your atty come dry w/ no primer fluid? If so, flood the thing with like 6-7 drops of juice and let it sit for a good 10-15 mins at least. The wick is dried all the way out and isn't wicking the fluid well from the carts. I had to do this with mine as well. Took me forever to figure out why it was burning and leaking fluid at the same time.... Basically the dried up wick is burning inside the atomizer while the fluid just kinda leaks out.

i will try to flood it. i have went through about 7-8ml of fluid in this thing in just a few hours of playing. like i said 5 good hits and the freakin filler is pretty dry. i can pull the filler out after 5 puffs and there is no liquid in the cart at all. then i can squeeze the filler and get maybe one drip out of it. this thing burns the hell outta fluid apparently and the vapor production is weak too. i think im going to stick with my 510 and when my battery mod gets here im going to use strictly 510 attys on it.

 

[6linkslam]

ok i flooded the atty with about 7-8 drops of liquid and let it sit for about 25 minutes. put it back together and guess what? 2-3 puffs with a really wet atty and fresh cart and here comes that damn burnt taste again. i dont understand it. my 510 runs circles around this damn 801. i am very very dis-satisfied with the 801.

 

[Lucian1215]

When you pull the cart out, is the filler pushed in? I am kinda noticing your problem with mine too. It could be the dreaded hi bridge problem if this is the case. The high bridge of the coil is pushing the filler down into the cart which compresses it and causes it not to wick. Cutting an 1/8" off of the filler supposedly helps. I am going to try this and post back later with the results.

Odd, I swapped my usb manual passthru with an auto batt and the problem went away

 

[6linkslam]

When you pull the cart out, is the filler pushed in? I am kinda noticing your problem with mine too. It could be the dreaded hi bridge problem if this is the case. The high bridge of the coil is pushing the filler down into the cart which compresses it and causes it not to wick. Cutting an 1/8" off of the filler supposedly helps. I am going to try this now and post back in 20 minutes with the results

the atty that came with my 801 kit is a low bridge which is the one currently in use. my extras are high bridge. and no the filler is not being pushed.im sure it is making contact.

 

[doots]

leave the filler material a little higher than the top of the cart. leaving it somewhat exposed. the problem is the filler material in not making good contact with the atty bridge. it will do just what youre saying. once you make contact 801s are great. it takes playing with them some.

 

[nubee]

It sounds odd. I've been an 801 fan for months (since getting my JantyStick) and I've never gotten this to happen.

In fact, I usually get the opposite - flooded.

I have swiched the filler I use to the fish tank filter variety and use the straw mod to keep fill/unfill flowing.

But even on a heavy vaping day at the PC...I only manage to chew up 6ml of juice.

After thought edit: I have had something similar when I cut down some thick juice with just water (too much water) and gotten little/no vape, musty old water flavor and lots used. So maybe your juice is off a bit????

 

[cmdrmaxwell]

i got the burnt taste as well so i just gave up and dripped with them and they work great....only they are really tempermental in the fact that one drop too many and...flooded atty! no biggie for me as i only use them at home!

 

[jboze]

You probably burned the hell out of the wick already. Try a different atomizer. Start off by flooding it and leaving it sit for a while. Then blow it out and drop a couple drips on it. Should be good to go with a cart from thereon in. The problem is that the wick and bridge are completely dry. You need to prime it yourself since the sellers are sending them out dry now.

 

[RenaissancePuffer]

new fully filled carts and 2 puffs later it tastes burnt like crazy. let it sit for about 5 minutes and 1 more puff before it tastes burnt again. i pulled the ptb out of a fresh filled cart after 4-5 good drags and it was damn near dry. do the 801's normally suck up that much juice? my 510 as everyone knows has a much smaller cart but it lasts so much longer than this new 801 i just got. can someone please shed a little light on this for me?

I have a brand new atty that goes through juice like an older atty does at 6V. My thought is the resistance of the atty is allowing the atty to run hotter, thus use more liquid.

I don't use carts, because I'm simply not good with them. I never had luck with PTB's, and the best use I have found with carts is a stock cart on an older atty with a higher resistance. It doesn't go through the juice so quickly and seems to do well at keeping up with the vaporization of the liquid.

There's a bit of a science with all of this. You have to keep the atty wet as Sun said, and if there is anything preventing it from remaining wet (chugging through liquid faster than it can wick, or simply using liquid at a fast rate) you are going to get that flavor no matter what type of atomizer that you're using.

As you use the atty, the resistance will build and it will start performing "slower" which may be better for your carts.

EDIT: I almost exclusively drip, even at 3.7V. 5-6 drops on a low resistance atty, 4-5 drops on a high resistance atty, no matter what voltage.

 

[boochips]

new fully filled carts and 2 puffs later it tastes burnt like crazy. let it sit for about 5 minutes and 1 more puff before it tastes burnt again. i pulled the ptb out of a fresh filled cart after 4-5 good drags and it was damn near dry. do the 801's normally suck up that much juice? my 510 as everyone knows has a much smaller cart but it lasts so much longer than this new 801 i just got. can someone please shed a little light on this for me?

I LOVE my 801 attys as long as they are on my Prodigy and I am dripping....I don't think I could ever use a cart with them again. I had all the same problems you were having when I used a cart and a regular 801 battery. I gave up after about 2 or 3 weeks....

 

[6linkslam]

When I started getting the slightest smell/taste of burnt I wounldnt keep puffing. I would take it apart to inspect it. So I really don't think I burnt the hell out of the wick.

 

[Lucian1215]

These forums are great! I trimmed some filler on mine and added a straw. My atty is high bridge. If interested I'll post results in 5 or so hours after evaluating. so far so good though. And yes, these things are temperamental but with practice we should all receive certificates in mechanical/hydrolic engineering

I also have a box of Fluval. has anyone with 801's converted to using that as filler? I suspect there is no perfect way as everything we try will have a trade off but it sure beats analogs regardless. I'm still a n00b but am 48 hours smoke free so far.Vape on!

 

[jboze]

When I started getting the slightest smell/taste of burnt I wounldnt keep puffing. I would take it apart to inspect it. So I really don't think I burnt the hell out of the wick.

You could very well be right. All of my 801 atties are giving me nightmares at 6v. They seem to work great ath 3.7~4.2ish though. Keep getting that nasty burnt taste myself at 6v.

Could be an issue with the regular juice I'm using too. Maybe a vg mix would work better? The same juice works great on my 510 atties at 6v though...

 

[RenaissancePuffer]

These forums are great! I trimmed some filler on mine and added a straw. My atty is high bridge. If interested I'll post results in 5 or so hours after evaluating. so far so good though. And yes, these things are temperamental but with practice we should all receive certificates in mechanical/hydrolic engineering

I've said, someone needs to write a book called "The Art of Vape". Seriously, this is not as easy as plug in the cart and vape. There are always things that have to be dealt with.

I guess with electronics, especially devices that have heating elements like an atty, that builds resistance with use, it's tricky, it's like trying to hit a moving target. The battery drains and loses voltage, the heating coil builds resistance. All of this changes the results. A passthrough is about the only way to get good consistancy over time it seems.

A little over 3 months tinkering for me, I am finally starting to feel like I understand things. Maybe.

 

[tmbrown327]

Seems to be the luck of the draw with these 801 attys. I've used Janty, BEC, Litecig 201, TW, all different. Even within the same group. I recently got in a 5 pack of the TW 801s. Two of them work very well. The third works, but only seems to like dripping. I'm getting the impression that the wick material itself can drastically change the device's performance. Like maybe the little holes in the mesh aren't lining up properly or something. I just keep changing them out til I get one that I like. Then that one will usually last for a month or more before I blow it up doing something stupid.

 

[Lucian1215]

well 2.5 hours later after walking around sprawlmart looking for loranns which this one doesn't carry, the 801 is still vaping strong. I did experience a leaking incident but thankfully bath towels were one aisle over

It seems to be leaking through the threads. Having been a house painter I figure I'll carry it like a brush when trying to keep the paint from flooding the "heel" and running all over your fingers, with the mouth piece down whenever idle. So far so good, it's always something though, huh?

 

[doots]

I agree with TM that 801s are all different. You just cant seem to get the same performance out of each 801 no matter how much we would like.

I've tried every one out there, I think and all seem to have little differences.

I drip and also use cart at same time and that seems to work best for me at 6v.