So I tried out a smoktech groove yesterday and boy oh boy I was doing the happy dance. After the guy at the store showed me how to use It, I put my tank on it, adjusted the watts a few times and bingo. All I can say is YUMMY . is it not possible to get that on my vmax??? I don't really know how watts come into play even though I've read up on it, nor do it get the ohms and resistance thing. I've found something that works so I stick to it but yesterday opened up a whole new bag of chips. Can someone explain the watts in simple English and do I need a vw mod to get that perfection? If so what would be the ideal device?
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jennilydg,
For the most part VV and VW are the same in that they control the output of the battery to coil that vaporizes your juice.
With VV you provide the thought to how much voltage is to be applied based on what you know about the ohms of the coil. Many people don't even do that. Many use VV just to get the vapor where you want it and bump it up or down as you see fit based on taste.
The VW feature looks at the ohms of the coil and takes a setting you have put in and figures out how much voltage to apply to achieve that output for you. As you change heads there will likely be small differences in the coils and in that slight differences in the ohms of the coils. The VW feature will account for these changes and attempt to keep your setting and output the same no matter the small changes.
In the end it is typically a choice that people make based on their preferences. You may may read that some folks have a strong opinion about VV or VW but those too are just personal preferences.
I enjoy my VW devices and I use them in that mode. I have not found a need to use VV or spend time with that feature as I personally feel that VW supersedes VV.
In the end, if you enjoy the Groove then go for it. I have a Groove and thoroughly enjoy it. So far it has shown to be very good and lasts a very long time on a charge. The display is great and the menus and usability are well done.
Good luck!
For the most part VV and VW are the same in that they control the output of the battery to coil that vaporizes your juice.
With VV you provide the thought to how much voltage is to be applied based on what you know about the ohms of the coil. Many people don't even do that. Many use VV just to get the vapor where you want it and bump it up or down as you see fit based on taste.
The VW feature looks at the ohms of the coil and takes a setting you have put in and figures out how much voltage to apply to achieve that output for you. As you change heads there will likely be small differences in the coils and in that slight differences in the ohms of the coils. The VW feature will account for these changes and attempt to keep your setting and output the same no matter the small changes.
In the end it is typically a choice that people make based on their preferences. You may may read that some folks have a strong opinion about VV or VW but those too are just personal preferences.
I enjoy my VW devices and I use them in that mode. I have not found a need to use VV or spend time with that feature as I personally feel that VW supersedes VV.
In the end, if you enjoy the Groove then go for it. I have a Groove and thoroughly enjoy it. So far it has shown to be very good and lasts a very long time on a charge. The display is great and the menus and usability are well done.
Good luck!
BTW, if you wish to have a deeper understanding of all of the electrical things that are involved I will oblige. The Groove will likely be a great simplification for you and I think that you. I often remind people that there are those that care about how their engine works and there are those that just want to get in and drive without having to think about all of that.
I think it depends on you more than anything.
Im on the other side of the coin from Cyclotron.I have zero need for Variable Wattage.I use one resistance for all of my cartomizers and vape all my juices at 5-5.4 volts.
Both will provide you a consistent vape, just need to figure out which one works best with your style of vaping.
Im on the other side of the coin from Cyclotron.I have zero need for Variable Wattage.I use one resistance for all of my cartomizers and vape all my juices at 5-5.4 volts.
Both will provide you a consistent vape, just need to figure out which one works best with your style of vaping.
Thank you for the explanation, it makes some since to me, although I'm still kinda lost. I use The DCT 2.0 ohms on the vmax. It just seemed so much better with the groove. I don't like the box look and that's why I didn't purchase it yesterday. I've been browsing around at other vw devices but there are so many.
Absolutely!!! I own a Groove & love it! Just placed my Provari order tonight! VV/VW is definitely worth it!
If you think of the coil/ohms as a light bulb then you think of the VV/VW as the controller you are adjusting.
This is way over simplifying and I don't mean to sound like I'm talking down to you. I'm not.
So the switch on the wall is a dimmer so you can twirl it one way or another to set the amount of light you want in the room.
This is basically what you are doing with the VV/VW feature. These features achieve that function differently.
With VV you need to know what the light ohms are and you can then calculate what to set the volts to to have it put out the light you want. With VW you tell it the output you want and it measures the ohms and figures out the voltage on its own. I'm still simplifying this and I say that because I might get smacked down by someone for my explanation.
You can also think of this in a slightly different way. If you had a water hose and you wanted to just push a button and know how much water would dump out the other end. You could consider the pressure and restrictions in the hose and you could open the valve enough to put out the amount you wanted. (VV sorta) You could also buy a valve that does all of those calculations for you and you just tell it how much water you want. (VW)
If you are using the same Ohm DCT all the time and you know what the VV setting is to use that then you typically won't notice a difference when you continue to use the same thing. This is what Zapped is talking about. He uses the same Ohm head all the time so he keeps his VV device set at the same Voltage and things are fine.
Now, lets say you buy DCTs from more than one vender or even more than one type/ohm of DCT. If you set a VW device to 8.5 watts then the device will work to make sure the vape you get is the same all of the time. The VW device is also not going to send too much power to the head because it reads it and adjust. With VV you should always turn down your setting when changing heads or your risk popping a coil if you don't check the ohms first and determine what to set the voltage at. In this way VW is simpler and more forgiving.
As to your experience with the Groove and the DCT, I can tell you that for whatever reason the Groove really does well with those heads. I have used a DCT on my Groove for over a week and really liked it. I just recently tried cartos just so I know what they are like. I use RBAs and some Kanger tanks and find they don't mute flavor as much as the cartos so I'm back on those.
Maybe others can provide a better explanation of VV/VW, ohms and such. I hope you've found my text helpful. I may need to go back to basics and explain a bit about how electricity works and if you want to know all of the details I will support you.
This is way over simplifying and I don't mean to sound like I'm talking down to you. I'm not.
So the switch on the wall is a dimmer so you can twirl it one way or another to set the amount of light you want in the room.
This is basically what you are doing with the VV/VW feature. These features achieve that function differently.
With VV you need to know what the light ohms are and you can then calculate what to set the volts to to have it put out the light you want. With VW you tell it the output you want and it measures the ohms and figures out the voltage on its own. I'm still simplifying this and I say that because I might get smacked down by someone for my explanation.
You can also think of this in a slightly different way. If you had a water hose and you wanted to just push a button and know how much water would dump out the other end. You could consider the pressure and restrictions in the hose and you could open the valve enough to put out the amount you wanted. (VV sorta) You could also buy a valve that does all of those calculations for you and you just tell it how much water you want. (VW)
If you are using the same Ohm DCT all the time and you know what the VV setting is to use that then you typically won't notice a difference when you continue to use the same thing. This is what Zapped is talking about. He uses the same Ohm head all the time so he keeps his VV device set at the same Voltage and things are fine.
Now, lets say you buy DCTs from more than one vender or even more than one type/ohm of DCT. If you set a VW device to 8.5 watts then the device will work to make sure the vape you get is the same all of the time. The VW device is also not going to send too much power to the head because it reads it and adjust. With VV you should always turn down your setting when changing heads or your risk popping a coil if you don't check the ohms first and determine what to set the voltage at. In this way VW is simpler and more forgiving.
As to your experience with the Groove and the DCT, I can tell you that for whatever reason the Groove really does well with those heads. I have used a DCT on my Groove for over a week and really liked it. I just recently tried cartos just so I know what they are like. I use RBAs and some Kanger tanks and find they don't mute flavor as much as the cartos so I'm back on those.
Maybe others can provide a better explanation of VV/VW, ohms and such. I hope you've found my text helpful. I may need to go back to basics and explain a bit about how electricity works and if you want to know all of the details I will support you.
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Only thing I'd add to the above is that all good VW devices also have VV. VW will get you in range but for fine tuning juices to taste VV is still more accurate IMO
You could set it for 8.5 watts and get close then bump up the volts in .01 increments to fine tune it. The difference is marginal and many cant taste it at all but for those who can its worth making the distinction.
Watts increase at .5 watts while volts increase at .01
In the end its splitting hairs...either one would probably work great for you.
The biggest advantage to both to me is regulated voltage which means your battery wont get gradually weaker as the day progresses. Regulating the voltage keeps its constant and much more like an analog in that regard.
You could set it for 8.5 watts and get close then bump up the volts in .01 increments to fine tune it. The difference is marginal and many cant taste it at all but for those who can its worth making the distinction.
Watts increase at .5 watts while volts increase at .01
In the end its splitting hairs...either one would probably work great for you.
The biggest advantage to both to me is regulated voltage which means your battery wont get gradually weaker as the day progresses. Regulating the voltage keeps its constant and much more like an analog in that regard.
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You explained it good and I think I'm getting it somewhat. I do what to try a vw mod. I like the cartos and also wanna try other juice delivery devices. That will bring me to a whole new set of questions though. Back to the vw, do you think the groove would be the best or a different mod. Thanks for your help
The biggest advantage to both to me is regulated voltage which means your battery wont get gradually weaker as the day progresses. Regulating the voltage keeps its constant and much more like an analog in that regard.[/QUOTE]
I like the fact that the batteries won't get weaker
I like the fact that the batteries won't get weaker
I like the fact that the batteries won't get weaker[/QUOTE]
They do...but you wont notice it until they die
I was lucky enough to have a in person conversation with the ever so famous PhilB today. Learned a lot about variable wattage stuff. It seems to me after the conversation that the higher end VW stuff is rather advanced. Basicly you take a mod and set your wattage at lets say 10 watts. Much like the amazing ronco it is "Set it and forget it." you pop on a 3.0 ohm tank, carto, atty, dripper etc...and the mod detects that you want to vape at 10 watts and adjusts the VOLTAGE accrodingly. Now your tired of that flavor and pick up another tank which happens to be 1.2ohms. Your mod then detects that and again adjusts the VOLTAGE accordingly. Set it and forget it. So yeah it is fairly awesome assuming i understand things correctly.
I was lucky enough to have a in person conversation with the ever so famous PhilB today. Learned a lot about variable wattage stuff. It seems to me after the conversation that the higher end VW stuff is rather advanced. Basicly you take a mod and set your wattage at lets say 10 watts. Much like the amazing ronco it is "Set it and forget it." you pop on a 3.0 ohm tank, carto, atty, dripper etc...and the mod detects that you want to vape at 10 watts and adjusts the VOLTAGE accrodingly. Now your tired of that flavor and pick up another tank which happens to be 1.2ohms. Your mod then detects that and again adjusts the VOLTAGE accordingly. Set it and forget it. So yeah it is fairly awesome assuming i understand things correctly.
Just curious what Pv was Phil using this time?
Hi Jenni,
There are quite a few vv/vw mods now. Was there a particular kind you wanted? I'm getting a Groove myself - it will be handy for some different places and for trips away.
If you don't want a box mod then there's the vv/vw tube mods. I don't know which ones you've looked at so I'll just mention some for you. Maybe looking at a few options in one place will help. I'll put pictures as well - all of these are good:
1. The Zmax. Most people agree that the Sigelei Zmax is the better version. It has an OLED screen, vv/vw, ohms check, battery voltage check and safety features. Is a one size mode - can't be used in a shorter mode. Sturdy build. One button menu.
2. The Vamo - very popular. I have a couple myself and have used one pretty heavily for the last 3 months. One of the pluses for this is it can be used with two different size batteries, so you can have a shorter mode or full size. The full size mode is long, and I find the shorter mode better for out and about.
It has a three button menu, which a lot of people find more convenient because the user doesn't have to keep clicking through the menu with one button. The Vamo is an inexpensive mod but does everything a Zmax can do.
Here's a pic of the Vamo in short size:
And here is a pic of it full size, next to a Smoktech Zmax. Vamo is on the right:
3. The Evic. The Evic can be connected to your pc and you can download updates, set user profiles and monitor your usage. You can see all the info you want on the main screen, and adjust the voltage or wattage by simply turning a wheel. Any upgrades can be downloaded straight from your computer to the Evic. It can be charged by usb or you can charge the batteries separately on a charger. Although it only comes in one size, people have found it works with Joye Ego mod tubes, which are cheap to buy, and so it can be used as a stealthier shorter device too.
The Evic:
4. The Innokin SVD. This is about to hit vendor stores for sale - some are taking pre-orders. Initial reviews of this say it feels like a high end device. It is long full size - longer than a Vamo. On the other hand - I think it may be the best quality vv/vw mod that has come out. It telescopes - so you can simply turn it to small, mid or full size - and use different size batteries with it. Its expected to go on sale around the beginning of March 2013.
There's a thread about the Innokin SVD here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...apv-discussion/373145-innokin-itaste-svd.html
These devices all do the same things pretty much, with some having extra features. So it comes down to which kind of look and size you want, or do you want to use it in more than one size. Also the menu - a one button menu system means clicking through several times to get to the feature you want. Three buttons means less clicks and easier navigation. Then there's the Evic - which comes with a computer interface.
I prefer variable wattage vaping myself, which is why I keep an eye on what's happening with these vv/vw mods. Cyclotron gave a great explanation. I prefer variable wattage over variable voltage because I can switch from one accessory to another and stay at the same watts. Or I can adjust watts and not worry about calculating whether the volts are ok with the ohms - the device adjusts the volts automatically to the right level.
I can also adjust watts with different juices, and again not worry about volts and ohms being mismatched since it adjusts the volts automatically. Since I have a lot of different juices this works well for me. Sometimes I just change the watts with the same juice - depending whether I want it a little cooler, or I feel like getting the warmer taste. I like some juices at more than one temperature. So I adjust the watts, which is the power, with a simple click or two and vape.
Hope this is some help in choosing. There are some others too - the Zmax mini for example. I've just mentioned the main ones that came to mind. Feel free to ask any questions.
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he had a very large bag of stuff, and a provari on his neck, not sure what he had on top of his provari, but i did see his prototype kanger pro that kanger sent him...that thing was sexxxy
Very good info from everyone. I'm gonna make the plunge, just need to decide what I want. I do like the sleek sexy look and I want some different delivery devices that will look smashing on my mod.
Jennilydg,
"The Best" is so subjective that I wouldn't want to try to answer that. I think the Groove is a very nice device and in my experience I give it a 7.5 out of 10 with it only losing points due to not being able to charge and vape at the same time (passthru) and lack of native eGo threads. One other down side that I don't really account for is that the Groove isn't meant to have the battery replaced.
"The Best" for you may very well be much different than what I would use. I'm using "The Natural" right now which is an unregulated battery mod with AGA-T or Z-Atty-clone heads.
I see that Kiwivape has given a good list of various devices out there. The Groove is one of the few that is in the box-mod form factor. Most of the VW devices are tube style. If you already have a mod that uses 18650 batteries then picking a VW device that uses the same will let you take advantage of that. If you want a Box device like the Groove then I'm guessing the Groove is about your best choice at the moment to have VW in that form factor.
There's lots around to pick from. If you have some ideas about other options you want to have I'm sure we can help you narrow down your picks.
I was thinking about the vamo, its priced nicely and I haven't heard to much negative stuff about it. Also maybe the zmax. I've heard good and bad things about the evic but I think that's to techie for me. I haven't ruled out the groove yet, just haven't decided. I have to pick up some cartos from one of my local stores today so I think ill do some comparing while I'm there
I have seen a new one that looks interesting. Sigelei Tmax Box Mod VW-VV
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