Do ya really need more?

[CMD-Ky]

I was always under the impression that more coil contact surface area with wick( more wraps) the better for flavor & vapor volume. That's why I questioned larger coil diameter = less wraps = less coil surface area? On the other hand larger diameter = larger wick = more juice capacity?

I have wondered also but from a different perspective. Though there are fewer wraps those fewer wraps are around a larger mandrel. There are fewer wraps but each wrap is larger in circumference. I am sure that there is someone out there who can calculate if contact surface area really changes. I can't calculate it; if I ever knew how by now I have forgotten.

 

[hobbes4]

Once vaping becomes a hobby, it's no longer about need and more about want. I don't need 90% of the vape gear i own but i sure as hell do want it

 

[Jimi D.]

I just got some nichrome ribbon wire from the UK. Put that in my tiny Cyclone for the REO last night. Tootle puffer from HELL ! Love it !!!

 

[muzichead]

I pretty much use the 3mm RxW full time now in a 2.5mm coil. I will say that when I originally tried it, I was using 27 & 28g wire and yes, there was less wraps because of the diameter and I think the vape suffered because of it. I decided to go to thicker wire and had settled in with 24 & 26g depending on the insides of whatever atty I am using. I do vape in the .3Ω neighborhood usually now and not looking back at all.

I recently bought some 26g Ni80 and some .8 ribbon to experiment with some tiger coils. They are pretty easy to twist up and they vape pretty good as well. I have a new Mako shorty that I put a set of duals in with just the 26g Ni80 and the heat up time is much faster than the 24 or 26g kanthol. I like that so much, today I ordered some more Ni80 in 28 & 30g to do some more experimenting.

 

[super_X_drifter]

I was starting to type up a response but I will make a lil movie later.

 

[rudy4653]

I have wondered also but from a different perspective. Though there are fewer wraps those fewer wraps are around a larger mandrel. There are fewer wraps but each wrap is larger in circumference. I am sure that there is someone out there who can calculate if contact surface area really changes. I can't calculate it; if I ever knew how by now I have forgotten.

I read a thread awhile back for Mactech (sp?) describing the differences. It was quite detailed and scientific, some a bit over my head but basically I think he was saying that smaller tensioned wrapped coil is best as there is more concentrated wire contact on the wick. More wraps around a smaller wick = more metal surface area and higher heat intensity per area of wicking. More squonking needed as the juice get heated up and dissipates faster.
Seems to makes sense to this simple mind.

 

[rudy4653]

I was starting to type up a response but I will make a lil movie later.

Looking forward to it!

 

[super_X_drifter]

Pr

Looking forward to it!

lol, thanks brother. it's producing then uploading now. It's more like my life story . I think it's like 40 minutes long and prolly does not directly answer the questions but more of my how and why evolution thst lead me to where I am now milking singles

 

[rudy4653]

My evolution;
2010 - first cig alike bought at fairgrounds - complete with little foil plastic tips that contained a drop of juice $125.00
2011 - graduated to EGO battery! Game changer back then!
2011 - refillable cartridges that I pulled out the poly stuffing and replaced with blue foam from aquarium filter - my first "modding" experience. Able to squeeze in 18 drops (1ml) of juice in the cartridge! Game changer again!
2011 - first cartridge/tank for EGO - game changer!
Late 2011 - LR 510 atties 1.7 ohms "low resistance" - game changer!
Early 2102 - Got a Blu cig because they came with a recharging box that was cool. Game changer recharging system!

Feb - 2012 - Purchased my first REO mounted with 306 atty! Game changer!
2013 to present day- rebuildable atties + REO ! Never looked back
That's about it in a nutshell.

 

[oplholik]

My evolution;
2010 - first cig alike bought at fairgrounds - complete with little foil plastic tips that contained a drop of juice $125.00

 

[rudy4653]

I know, right!?
Came in a fancy box containing 1 white cigalike battery, a charger, and a little box of 5 prefilled cartridges of which were advertised as 1cartridge equals 200 puffs or equal to 1 pack of cigarettes. I remember taking like a 10 second pull and getting a little "smoke" and thinking "wow" this is crazy cool!! Gotta have it!
Like I said before, we've come a long way baby!

 

[turbocad6]

ha, that was my first too, also back in 2010... I got the deluxe kit in a mall with 2 white batteries for $199.99, remember it like it was yesterday that lasted me about a week but it was the best $200 I ever spent as it did 2 things for me, 1 is it got me to realize that this "can" work as a substitute and 2, it got me to stop smoking. the next week I went out and bought a few mods and dripping atties and a bunch of juices from puresmoker and those puresmoker mods lasted me for a few years until I winded up coming back here to ECF just to see whats new.... yeah, many thousands later and here we are today

it's funny though that for almost 3 years I was 100% content with just my 2 puresmoker mods and disposable dripping atties and didn't even look for anything else... dripping day in and day out.... once I came back here and started digging around it wasn't long till I started buying all kinds of tanks and then eventually reoing and buying mod after mod after mod and atties galore....

I went through the whole dual coil monster clouds phaze but now I'm back to just a single coil most times, finding a balance between huge thick dense vapor and battery and juice life... I've vaped really high power but now I'm almost always between 11 and 30 watts and single coil...

 

[Rule62]

I haven't been able to satisfactorily go back to single coil builds. I just like what I get from duals too much. Before RDAs and then Reos with bottom feeders, I was a ss mesh genisis user for quite a while. I built my first dual wick/coil set up on a Kraken genny, a couple years ago, and have liked dual coils ever since. All my juice is DIY, and I have loads of batteries in rotation, so I don't give much thought to either.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I read a thread awhile back for Mactech (sp?) describing the differences. It was quite detailed and scientific, some a bit over my head but basically I think he was saying that smaller tensioned wrapped coil is best as there is more concentrated wire contact on the wick. More wraps around a smaller wick = more metal surface area and higher heat intensity per area of wicking. More squonking needed as the juice get heated up and dissipates faster.
Seems to makes sense to this simple mind.

Heck, I don't know and I never will know. I read Mac's posts and, to be honest, I simply don't understand the science of which he speaks. This is to comment more on my level of understanding rather than upon his knowledge. I don't understand a lot of (read this as most) things that I use. I drive the car, I change the oil but the technology of the car has passed me by; I used to rebuild carbs and adjust points, set timing with a light, even put in a fancy cam shaft - those days are gone. I just use RXW at around 1.0 Ohm with a 2.5 mandrel and 29 gauge wire; I love it.

 

[Rule62]

I read a thread awhile back for Mactech (sp?) describing the differences. It was quite detailed and scientific, some a bit over my head but basically I think he was saying that smaller tensioned wrapped coil is best as there is more concentrated wire contact on the wick. More wraps around a smaller wick = more metal surface area and higher heat intensity per area of wicking. More squonking needed as the juice get heated up and dissipates faster.
Seems to makes sense to this simple mind.

Although I haven't read the particular thread mentioned, I've read others about the concept of Heat Flux. While the science is a little deep, for me, I understand it, in practice. The science deals with why differences in things like coil diameter, wire gauge, number of wraps, etc., will change the vaping experience, even though resistance, wattage, or voltage remain the same.

 

[oplholik]

I am with CMD-Ky on what he is saying. Sounds just like me.

 

[K31Scout]

Like I've always said, I only need enough vapor to blow a few "smoke" rings. I do single coils for the most part and have had some ferocious dry, burnt hits with low ohm dual coils and lung hits so I'm very heavy on the squonking when I go there.

 

[Squonkysquonkster]

Yes, some of us need more! Best vape ive had in years!

 

[super_X_drifter]

A little history to hopefully answer the questions

 

[rudy4653]

A little history to hopefully answer the questions

Good Morning Russ!
Just watched your video over my morning coffee. Very informative as usual. I was right there with you reminiscing about the "old days". It's amazing when you think about it how fast the vape world is evolving now. Just like computers, when you think you got the fastest cpu, most memory, etc. boom...... faster, smaller, more memory models comes out every year!
After watching I did learn something. I have been using twisted wire coils but with only 2 strands twisted together. It never dawned on me to use more than 2 strands. You mentioned you use 4 strands and twist, that was my ahhhhaaa moment. I'm going to give that a try! I have some 30g wire that I never use as I have been using 29g. Going to experiment over the weekend, something to "fiddle" with again!
I will say you do come up with some great OCD ideas, I love the bic pen wire dispenser!
Thanks for taking the time to make this buddy.
Fins Up!