Do You Believe In Aliens or UFOs?
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Could somebody please tell me where my frisbee is? What state? City? Hell, just give me the coordinates! Thx in advance!!
frisbees are cheap..just go buy another one..
I bet the majority of UFOs are just new planes being tested.... I mean the recent stealth planes like the F117 look very alien....
Quite possibly..maybee
rapidly in a straight line? that sounds like a plane to me..now if it was rapidly up and down and all around than MAYBE..
We really couldn't determine what it was, too small and fast for a plane plus it looked as if it was already moving, the light came on, then when off again. We suspected it might have been just a fire fly, but it was way too bright, too far away, and the wrong color (bright white). Thinking back on it now, it may have been a small rocket -fireworks. It is very difficult to judge distance at night and this is the only thing that makes any sense.
We were all in the USAF stationed at Bergstrom AFB at the time and it wasn't the only strange thing we saw.
Do you ever listen to Coast to Coast am? It used to be with Art Bell. Absolutely fascinating stuff. The size of our universe is way to uncomprehensible to have it's only use be for people to study in text books.
While stationed at Bergstrom AFB Texas around 1972, mid afternoon:
There were three of us driving around out in the country about 5 miles north west of the base when we encountered a huge mound of dirt blocking the road. Of course we stopped and wondered why the road was blocked like that, then we looked around expecting to see earth moving equipment and there was a mobile home off to our left and an elderly woman standing in front with a water hose. She was totally freaked out. We looked around some more and saw a deep crater to our right and on the other side of the road farther to the right a creek with debris scattered for as far as we could see. The biggest piece I saw was about the size of a football.
We spoke with the woman and when she got calmed down she told us that she had heard a huge noise, a blast of air, and an impact. The object had missed her and her mobile home by just a few feet. She never even saw it.
We could tell some kind of aircraft had crashed into the ground. About 10 minutes later military emergency vehicles arrived and we found out what had happened.
A pilot was on a training flight in a T38 supersonic jet trainer, when he ran out of fuel and couldn't land safely, so he ejected and landed on the parking apron near the control tower.
The plane had hit ground at over 400 miles per hour just before crossing the road. The dirt from the crater was what blocked the road. The debris was blasted beyond the road along the creek bed. There was steam rising from the crater, we had arrived within about 5 minutes of the crash, but hadn't seen or heard anything. The entire incident was hushed up with only a short paragraph on page three of the local paper.
UPDATE: I found the crash documented! so I can divulge who the pilot was:
Capt. Charles Conrad Jr (astronaut). I either had my north west confused with my south east or the source below mixed them up, but heck that was a long time ago and the incident was classified at the time
Source: T_38_Talon scroll down.
"Capt. Charles Conrad ejection on 10 May 1972.
There's little info here, hopefully my small input added with someone else's may help.
Capt Conrad ran out of fuel in a T-38 at night over central Texas and headed toward the former Bergstrom AFB just SE of Austin, TX. I was stationed there at the time as a medic.
He aimed the craft toward a rural area and ejected onto or next to the actual runway at Bergstrom, uninjured.
My understanding at that time was he was a part of NASA at the time flying from Houston to Ellington AFB or vice versa."
The source is WRONG about the time of day... I was at the scene and it was daylight.
There were three of us driving around out in the country about 5 miles north west of the base when we encountered a huge mound of dirt blocking the road. Of course we stopped and wondered why the road was blocked like that, then we looked around expecting to see earth moving equipment and there was a mobile home off to our left and an elderly woman standing in front with a water hose. She was totally freaked out. We looked around some more and saw a deep crater to our right and on the other side of the road farther to the right a creek with debris scattered for as far as we could see. The biggest piece I saw was about the size of a football.
We spoke with the woman and when she got calmed down she told us that she had heard a huge noise, a blast of air, and an impact. The object had missed her and her mobile home by just a few feet. She never even saw it.
We could tell some kind of aircraft had crashed into the ground. About 10 minutes later military emergency vehicles arrived and we found out what had happened.
A pilot was on a training flight in a T38 supersonic jet trainer, when he ran out of fuel and couldn't land safely, so he ejected and landed on the parking apron near the control tower.
The plane had hit ground at over 400 miles per hour just before crossing the road. The dirt from the crater was what blocked the road. The debris was blasted beyond the road along the creek bed. There was steam rising from the crater, we had arrived within about 5 minutes of the crash, but hadn't seen or heard anything. The entire incident was hushed up with only a short paragraph on page three of the local paper.
UPDATE: I found the crash documented! so I can divulge who the pilot was:
Capt. Charles Conrad Jr (astronaut). I either had my north west confused with my south east or the source below mixed them up, but heck that was a long time ago and the incident was classified at the time
Source: T_38_Talon scroll down.
"Capt. Charles Conrad ejection on 10 May 1972.
There's little info here, hopefully my small input added with someone else's may help.
Capt Conrad ran out of fuel in a T-38 at night over central Texas and headed toward the former Bergstrom AFB just SE of Austin, TX. I was stationed there at the time as a medic.
He aimed the craft toward a rural area and ejected onto or next to the actual runway at Bergstrom, uninjured.
My understanding at that time was he was a part of NASA at the time flying from Houston to Ellington AFB or vice versa."
The source is WRONG about the time of day... I was at the scene and it was daylight.
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Well I believe in 'unidentified' flying objects....but I don't believe it's anything to do with aliens visiting this planet. I am quite sure that if any alien has the ability to reach this planet they are hardly likely to keep on flying around in secret and abducting people and cows!!
The only other thing is that I do believe there must be intelligent life out there somewhere and if they do ever develop the technology to fly to other planets then they will also probably have the same overpopulation problem on their own planet that we have.... They could very well want to get rid of all of us and take over this planet if it's a suitable environment for them. It's probably exactly what we would do if we ever found a suitable planet with what we considered inferior beings on. We have done it enough times to 'inferior' people on our own planet.
The only other thing is that I do believe there must be intelligent life out there somewhere and if they do ever develop the technology to fly to other planets then they will also probably have the same overpopulation problem on their own planet that we have.... They could very well want to get rid of all of us and take over this planet if it's a suitable environment for them. It's probably exactly what we would do if we ever found a suitable planet with what we considered inferior beings on. We have done it enough times to 'inferior' people on our own planet.
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Well I for one fine Ufology fascinating.
I myself has seen such UFO's meaning UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT, not saying it was alien spacescraft! I don't really know what to believe, but knowing that we live in a infitite universe with infitite possiblitlies, and dimesions. There is a good chance that somewhere, there is alien life. It coule be less advanced than we are, could be more.
But anyways, I have seen UFOs before, stange things they are. Even my grandparents, earl morning church goers, heavy in there faith have even seen things they can't explain in the sky.
I believe, there is always possiblitly.
I myself has seen such UFO's meaning UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT, not saying it was alien spacescraft! I don't really know what to believe, but knowing that we live in a infitite universe with infitite possiblitlies, and dimesions. There is a good chance that somewhere, there is alien life. It coule be less advanced than we are, could be more.
But anyways, I have seen UFOs before, stange things they are. Even my grandparents, earl morning church goers, heavy in there faith have even seen things they can't explain in the sky.
I believe, there is always possiblitly.
Oh, I forgot to mention, one time I was driving through Madison, and all of a sudden I heard a huge crash and ground shook, sounded like a meteor or earthquake. After further driving through the city, In a small field the whole street was blocked off and in the distance I could see white vans that said NASA on it. The whole city felt it and heard the rumble. The news blamed on a small 1 person airplane crash. The city was very unbelieving as was I. nonetheless, there was no rubble or body found, not even a hole in the ground when I went to go check the next day. Looked awfully nice for a crash site.
The aliens are real and exist on a very tiny sub-molecular level in DMT. I reccomend a book called DMT the spirit molecule. The author explains this theory rather concisely and backs it with hard science. It's a good read.
I believe that the existence of Aliens are possible, but I'm not a believer in the popular idea of Aliens. I don't believe aliens are that intrigued with our world to half ... a sighting. Makes no sense what so ever.
Why make themselves partially visible to be observed as a sighting? The idea of observing specimens in their habitat is to do so, while not contributing disruption. Certainly advanced alien technology can do and see what they need from a further distance than with in our atmosphere...I would think an advanced society with technology that allows them to successfully travel from light years away, whether through linear travel, worm hole, or whatever would atleast have the technology to create an advanced and powerful Hubble type scope on the tip of their finger.
Honestly, I don't believe Aliens, mimicking the actions of Star Trek have set out in the universe to spread the Gospel like a Jehovah's witness on Saturday morning or to travel all this way to play a "now you see me, now you don't" game with us.
I do believe there is life in other galaxies. There may be other life with in our own. All life doesn't have to share the same make up as ourselves requiring oxygen. All life out there may not have the same limitations as us...so, looking for life on a planet similar to ours, is only limiting our findings.
If you think about it. The human eye can only recognize something being there up to 120 fps. We have devices that can record up to 1000fps...maybe more. What if, these aliens move outside of this? We have only now begun to understand movement and time. Time is nothing more than a measurement with boundaries that relate to our way of life, time and movement are conjoined in our reality. Realizing this, it is apparent that this is not equal to everyone or everything.
Also, this great desire by many people who want to believe there is this greater intelligence beyond our solar system. That's all well and good. But if one is willing to believe this....then one should be equally willing to believe that we could be the greater intelligence. (when ever I say that, people get upset....I think it's because it's a scary thought.) But it is probable. Many of our contributing factors to advancements were stumbled on. You could say stroke of luck.
Look at how long it took to get where we are. There was so much to overcome that led to our current way of life. Our environment had to be sustainable. Imagine if our ice age were still going. People had to learn to live together. Organization had to be established. Then the many trials of establishing order as a live and let live society(although this is still yet to be perfected, it has been successful enough to allow progression.) Thousands and thousands of years were wasted on territorial fighting, many kings and emperors had to rise then fall. Plagues, invasions, catastrophic events in climates that wiped out civilizations, etc. Many would be contributors caught in the middle of this were erased from the equation.
Will every living alien race possibly to be out there have the same luck or better? Are people expecting that Aliens were able to get passed all their errors in a faster time or the fact that they could be billions of years older than us makes their progression more likely to be more advanced? It's probable...but just the little that I wrote above makes it possible that luck/fate/varied obstacles, or whatever has a strong role in it too.
Also, another big factor.....have they chosen to be that advanced? We have many examples of that with in our world. Many cultures have rejected our modern way of life, before even having experienced it. Some choose to live in huts and hunt for their food, still to this day.
Anyway, there are so many variables, that I don't see it being likely that we would even know what the alien looks like, even if it were standing right in front of us.
Why make themselves partially visible to be observed as a sighting? The idea of observing specimens in their habitat is to do so, while not contributing disruption. Certainly advanced alien technology can do and see what they need from a further distance than with in our atmosphere...I would think an advanced society with technology that allows them to successfully travel from light years away, whether through linear travel, worm hole, or whatever would atleast have the technology to create an advanced and powerful Hubble type scope on the tip of their finger.
Honestly, I don't believe Aliens, mimicking the actions of Star Trek have set out in the universe to spread the Gospel like a Jehovah's witness on Saturday morning or to travel all this way to play a "now you see me, now you don't" game with us.
I do believe there is life in other galaxies. There may be other life with in our own. All life doesn't have to share the same make up as ourselves requiring oxygen. All life out there may not have the same limitations as us...so, looking for life on a planet similar to ours, is only limiting our findings.
If you think about it. The human eye can only recognize something being there up to 120 fps. We have devices that can record up to 1000fps...maybe more. What if, these aliens move outside of this? We have only now begun to understand movement and time. Time is nothing more than a measurement with boundaries that relate to our way of life, time and movement are conjoined in our reality. Realizing this, it is apparent that this is not equal to everyone or everything.
Also, this great desire by many people who want to believe there is this greater intelligence beyond our solar system. That's all well and good. But if one is willing to believe this....then one should be equally willing to believe that we could be the greater intelligence. (when ever I say that, people get upset....I think it's because it's a scary thought.) But it is probable. Many of our contributing factors to advancements were stumbled on. You could say stroke of luck.
Look at how long it took to get where we are. There was so much to overcome that led to our current way of life. Our environment had to be sustainable. Imagine if our ice age were still going. People had to learn to live together. Organization had to be established. Then the many trials of establishing order as a live and let live society(although this is still yet to be perfected, it has been successful enough to allow progression.) Thousands and thousands of years were wasted on territorial fighting, many kings and emperors had to rise then fall. Plagues, invasions, catastrophic events in climates that wiped out civilizations, etc. Many would be contributors caught in the middle of this were erased from the equation.
Will every living alien race possibly to be out there have the same luck or better? Are people expecting that Aliens were able to get passed all their errors in a faster time or the fact that they could be billions of years older than us makes their progression more likely to be more advanced? It's probable...but just the little that I wrote above makes it possible that luck/fate/varied obstacles, or whatever has a strong role in it too.
Also, another big factor.....have they chosen to be that advanced? We have many examples of that with in our world. Many cultures have rejected our modern way of life, before even having experienced it. Some choose to live in huts and hunt for their food, still to this day.
Anyway, there are so many variables, that I don't see it being likely that we would even know what the alien looks like, even if it were standing right in front of us.
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They also also apparently live in Mushrooms....so said Terence McKenna.
See also Phil ****'s Bishop Pike references in The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch.
P.K.D
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