Now that I'm 100% vaping, no analogs, I'm wondering if I'd be considered a non-smoker. I don't think of myself that way, but I know I would if I were, for example, using the patch and not smoking. So, how do you view yourself?
Do you consider yourself a non-smoker?
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I asked myself the same thing and like to think that I'm not....... but my 7 year old son quickly reminds me when he says, "But dad, I still see smoke."
I suppose by definition, it is still smoking. By relations to cigarettes....I have a sort of, kind of relationship with analogs, since I'm still using nic juice. I will still consider myself a smoker as long as I have nic in my juice. Once I'm completely off the crap and I choose to continue to vape by habit....I can't and won't consider myself anywhere near being a analog smoker.
Using a patch or anything in relation to not smoking is what it is. "Not anywhere related to smoking," in my opinion, it's just another way of getting your fix. No vape, no smoke, no possibly affecting anyone near you in a non-circulated room with your nicotine.
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if someone were to ask me if i'm a smoker, i'd still say yes. i'll probably always say yes, even if i continue to not smoke or consume nicotine.
to me, a nonsmoker is someone who when offered a drag, says no. the type of person who has never smoked in their life. or those "antismokers". thats what comes to mind when i hear nonsmoker. so even if i'm not actively consuming nicotine, i still don't feel i'm a nonsmoker.
the only thing i can compare it to is an alcoholic. does an alcoholic ever stop being one? they can abstain from drinking, but i don't think that ever really goes away. thats what it feels like for me anyway.
so even though i pretty much "quit", yes, i still consider myself a smoker.
to me, a nonsmoker is someone who when offered a drag, says no. the type of person who has never smoked in their life. or those "antismokers". thats what comes to mind when i hear nonsmoker. so even if i'm not actively consuming nicotine, i still don't feel i'm a nonsmoker.
the only thing i can compare it to is an alcoholic. does an alcoholic ever stop being one? they can abstain from drinking, but i don't think that ever really goes away. thats what it feels like for me anyway.
so even though i pretty much "quit", yes, i still consider myself a smoker.
Thanks alot. Sometimes it just doesn't pay to read other peoples posts, as they may bring more logic to the table. In this instance, you have and I regret reading!LOL8-o
I like to think of myself as a smoker who has "seen the light". I am the chosen one and I seek to save all those under the grasp of the evil tabacco.
Seriously tho, I want to inform everyone I see smoking. I'm not a smoker, I'm a vaper.
Seriously tho, I want to inform everyone I see smoking. I'm not a smoker, I'm a vaper.
in the health care system, we measure this as *tobacco use*. The actual question on the patient info questionnaire is... Do you use tobacco? Never, Past or Yes. They even ask if anyone in the household uses tobacco. This is the measure that insurance companies will use to make premium adjustments as to your *Risk* in the future. So, by these standards, I am a *No/Past*. Add in that the so called "smoke" from a PV is NOT smoke, it's vapor... I'm a non-smoker.
Well, my girls consider me a not smoker now, so I do too. Both of your posts make sense. Since vaping is significantly different as far as the chemicals ingested, no burning of tobacco, etc, I consider myself a non-smoker who is still addicted to nicotine. But you know, beyond the nicotine, I actually like the mechanics or motion of vaping which I think many of us do. It's like it helps me "ponder" or think even though that is probably purely psyhcological. On the other hand, I believe most of our great founding fathers all smoked. I can see Ben Franklin now rocking in a chair, smoking a pipe and expounding on the great matters of the time. I think Ben (being the inventor) would have liked vaping.
I see it both ways. I'm trying now to go from 12 mg juice to 0. Even at 0, I think I'll still vape. I think technically, that's not smoking. OTOH, I can't imagine myself not craving the throat hit even if I am able to withdraw from nic. So, in that way, I am a smoker and always will be.
How I'd love to be able to tell my extended family I've quit smoking - maybe they'd get off my back. But I don't think I'll ever be able to honestly say that. *sigh*
How I'd love to be able to tell my extended family I've quit smoking - maybe they'd get off my back. But I don't think I'll ever be able to honestly say that. *sigh*
I too have pondered that question many times. It's funny when I tell people I know that I quit smoking, I find myself adding that now I use electronic cigs. Most people after finding out what ecigs are will ask, "So when are you going to quit those?" I usually answer "soon" or "I don't know". I really don't know how long I will use ecigs. Hopefully not forever. Technically, I'm not a smoker, I'm a vaper. But I'm still using nicotine.
People who have stop smoking altogether and have turned into Nazi antismokers would probably scream at Elle's logic about once a smoker, always a smoker. LOL I'd love to watch them defend that. But I happen to think she's right. Addictive personality's will struggle their whole lives to fight the demon. I think that's why the Nazi's scream the loudest. They are still fighting that demon and don't want smokers around them to tempt them.
I don't really think there is an answer to this question. It's all in interpretation. Almost like the chicken and egg question.
People who have stop smoking altogether and have turned into Nazi antismokers would probably scream at Elle's logic about once a smoker, always a smoker. LOL I'd love to watch them defend that. But I happen to think she's right. Addictive personality's will struggle their whole lives to fight the demon. I think that's why the Nazi's scream the loudest. They are still fighting that demon and don't want smokers around them to tempt them.
I don't really think there is an answer to this question. It's all in interpretation. Almost like the chicken and egg question.
Good point. I will look forward to my next Doctor visit just to check off Non-smoker on the form.
I view myself as someone that is gradually trying to change negative habits and addiction (if not addictions) into something that is less negative or even eventually neutral. Going cold turkey was not working for me - I had even quit at one point for a year and a half and still wanted to smoke enough that sure enough I started smoking again. It just seemed sadistic to keep putting myself through the same almost torturous ordeal of quitting and yet I was at the point where I had to do something as the effects of smoking were becoming torturous as well (not being able to breath, coughing to the point where it felt like something would break or rip, etc). I was trying to do this even before I learned about e-cigs.
For instance, I forced myself to smoke (cigarettes) outside with no exceptions. I found that I was more aware of my smoking and actually enjoyed the experience more. The smell was not as intense (even on myself and the clothes I was wearing) and I was relieved of feeling guilty for exposing family members to smoke. In addition to that, I was smoking roughly half as many cigarettes with that change. Prior to that I tried to smoke next to the air conditioner vent (the part that sucks air out of the home), but they were still being exposed in all honesty.
So for me, I believe that I very much am dealing with the same addiction today that I was dealing with before I began vaping an e-cig. Technically I am not smoking, but I still have a long ways to go before this addiction is not a problem and I am not going to let myself off the hook on this (because I want to get better). It's a problem in my book, so long as I act like I care more about getting my fix than I do taking good care of myself and my family (even if that means not being so .....y because I've not had nicotine and the sensation of smoking for x amount of hours or knowing that if I only had $10 I would feed the addiction before I fullfilled my needs for nourishment). My goal is to keep taking these little steps until I am either at a point where I'm comfortable with the degree I have reduced my problem or I have overcome it completely. It doesn't really matter to me that I'm not smoking aside from believing that I am doing better than before - I still have the problem.
For instance, I forced myself to smoke (cigarettes) outside with no exceptions. I found that I was more aware of my smoking and actually enjoyed the experience more. The smell was not as intense (even on myself and the clothes I was wearing) and I was relieved of feeling guilty for exposing family members to smoke. In addition to that, I was smoking roughly half as many cigarettes with that change. Prior to that I tried to smoke next to the air conditioner vent (the part that sucks air out of the home), but they were still being exposed in all honesty.
So for me, I believe that I very much am dealing with the same addiction today that I was dealing with before I began vaping an e-cig. Technically I am not smoking, but I still have a long ways to go before this addiction is not a problem and I am not going to let myself off the hook on this (because I want to get better). It's a problem in my book, so long as I act like I care more about getting my fix than I do taking good care of myself and my family (even if that means not being so .....y because I've not had nicotine and the sensation of smoking for x amount of hours or knowing that if I only had $10 I would feed the addiction before I fullfilled my needs for nourishment). My goal is to keep taking these little steps until I am either at a point where I'm comfortable with the degree I have reduced my problem or I have overcome it completely. It doesn't really matter to me that I'm not smoking aside from believing that I am doing better than before - I still have the problem.
As a recovering addict with 26 years of sobriety, I am still a JUNKIE
as a person not smoking I am a non smoker
as a person who no longer smokes, I AM A VAPOR
as a person not smoking I am a non smoker
as a person who no longer smokes, I AM A VAPOR
Very true Sherid! LOL I vow right now to never become a Nazi anti-smoker. If I do someone please shoot me in the head to put myself out of other peoples' misery!!!
Recent article from S. Africa,"Shah Rukh's smoking act at IPL match ruffles anti-smoking lobby" Shah Rukh's smoking act at IPL match ruffles anti-smoking lobby- Hindustan Times The freaks have gained censorship control of the media. A celebrity was pictured smoking in the stands and the ant-smokers went ballistic, demanding that the media never again show anyone smoking on the air. They have GOT to go.
If you don't smoke analogs and you're just using an e-cig, you are not a smoker. There is no room for opinion here, it's not what "you consider yourself," you just aren't a smoker. Smoke by definition is the gaseous particles created by the act of combustion, as by-products of the ignition of oxygen and a fuel source, or something like that. The point is, without combustion, you don't have smoke; without smoke, you can't be smoking, and if you're not smoking, you're not a smoker.
This thread reminds of those people who have been trying to convince others that hookahs produce smoke, lol. If the hookah produces smoke, that means you're using it wrong.
Edit: And oh yeah, I hate the anti-smokers big time. I hate anyone who tries to push their beliefs on others. Like I'm personally against abortion, but I'm pro-choice because it's not my right to force my beliefs onto other people.
This thread reminds of those people who have been trying to convince others that hookahs produce smoke, lol. If the hookah produces smoke, that means you're using it wrong.
Edit: And oh yeah, I hate the anti-smokers big time. I hate anyone who tries to push their beliefs on others. Like I'm personally against abortion, but I'm pro-choice because it's not my right to force my beliefs onto other people.
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ATTENTION EVERYONE: DCrist has spoken- and there's no room for your opinion.
Funny you should mention what this thread reminds you of DCrist, because I'd like to tell you what your post reminds me of; antismokers on high horses trying to tell me what the deal is- period, end of discussion- and that "what i consider myself" is of no import.
And just so you know, there is room for opinion, even yours.
a non-smoker. No more analog cigarettes, no burning, no smoking, no tobacco. Non-smoker.
I used to use a nebulizer and a PV reminds me a lot of a nebulizer, except it uses nicotine instead Ventolin.
I have noticed however that people like to tell me I am still smoking, which bothered me the first few days and then I remembered that I did this for me and not for kudos from others. Esp. people who can't understand the difference, just because it looks like smoking.
I keep searching for an analogy to compare to the confusion of people calling vaping, smoking, simply because you put it in your mouth and exhale something, but I am at a loss.
Viva le vaping!
I used to use a nebulizer and a PV reminds me a lot of a nebulizer, except it uses nicotine instead Ventolin.
I have noticed however that people like to tell me I am still smoking, which bothered me the first few days and then I remembered that I did this for me and not for kudos from others. Esp. people who can't understand the difference, just because it looks like smoking.
I keep searching for an analogy to compare to the confusion of people calling vaping, smoking, simply because you put it in your mouth and exhale something, but I am at a loss.
Viva le vaping!
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