If that is your stance, then stop using caffeine at all. Caffeine increases your heart rate, elevates your blood pressure, and can contribute to the development of heart disease. Caffeine can also cause death if taken in large enough amounts. Caffeine and Nicotine are extremely similar. What I am getting at here is that pretty much everything in life has health risks, and not safe. So, does one stop living, or do they simply do what they want knowing the risk is almost non-existent compared to the alternative.
Do you have energy to defend your VP?
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If that is your stance, then stop using caffeine at all. Caffeine increases your heart rate, elevates your blood pressure, and can contribute to the development of heart disease. Caffeine can also cause death if taken in large enough amounts. Caffeine and Nicotine are extremely similar. What I am getting at here is that pretty much everything in life has health risks, and not safe. So, does one stop living, or do they simply do what they want knowing the risk is almost non-existent compared to the alternative.
Well, it is my understanding that the nicotine is derived from tobacco.
No, I quit smoking last January, and consider myself a non-smoker, or ex-smoker. But, the argument could easily be made that da juice (other than 0mg) is a tobacco product if the nicotine is derived from tobacco leaves. We just don't inhale smoke from burning leaves to get it. And, that makes all the difference in the world. JMHO.
Anyone who vapes and wants to call themselves a smoker, hey, knock yourself out. I do not consider myself a smoker, my doctor does not consider me a smoker, and my friends and family do not consider me a smoker. Good enough for me. 
I won't argue with that. And, I can't cite concentration figures without researching it. But, if they contained anywhere near the levels that tobacco does, then surely they would be considered commercial sources of nicotine, right? They're not.
I think if their nicotine content were that high, they would probably require some kind of warning, especially regarding massive consumption. (watch out overdoing it on the fruits of your summer garden, lol)
You're right, of course tobacco contains much higher percentages of nicotine. But even if fruits contained a high level of nicotine, that doesn't necessarily mean they'd do anything about it. Look at caffeine, it's all well and good to allow someone of ANY age to purchase a can of pepsi. Yet it contains caffeine, an addictive stimulant that also causes a person to go through withdrawal symptoms when use is stopped. But no one regulates that, because there's no nasty smelling smoke when using it. It's all well and good for kids to get addicted to caffeine, but when we talk about nicotine, there's this big problem.
One reason vaping is so successful is that it mimics smoking. To other people just the act of inhaling something and then blowing out a cloud of vapor is too close to smoking for their minds to comprehend. They know smoking is bad so vaping has to be too. It is ignorance on their part and they probably (if they're not smokers) don't have enough interest to find out. Human nature.
<---- This,
People are either too ignorant, or too lazy to change their thought process. They do not care to be right, they'd rather just stay believing what they think is correct. It completely baffles me when I really think just how STUPID the average human being is. I truly believe intelligent people, or even just people with common sense, are in the minority these days. I lost faith in human kind a long time ago.
Hear Hear!! As further proof of the stupidity (besides what we see on the 'net
), just watch how people drive. Ya have to wonder what color is the sky in their little world?
Completely off topic. But, yeah.Hear Hear!! As further proof of the stupidity (besides what we see on the 'net
Now, back to our regularly scheduled thread ....
Just to be clear, the FDA has not, and would not, ever approve cigarettes.
An act of Congress has prevented them from treating cigarettes the way they want to treat them.
And no, I don't smoke anymore, and I am no longer a smoker.
But I'll become one again if they ever succeed in removing these from the market.
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Nobody would believe them though.
Getting nicotine from anything other than tobacco is very cost-prohibitive.
Nobody does it and nobody ever will.
Long-term, PVs are here to stay. But we are in the vanguard. There could be a lot of bumps in the road before we get to that point.
What annoys me the most about the attempts to regulate against PVs is the logic. Anti smoking legislation came about to protect people from second hand smoke. When smokers were able to smoke anywhere, non smokers were forced to be exposed to those toxins. It was inconvenient for me, but fair.
The anti-vaping crowd bases their arguments on:
1) Although there is no danger to bystanders, people around you must be protected from seeing something that might make them think someone near them is smoking because that might frighten them.
2) There are no long-term studies that show that vaping is 100% harmless and it therefore must be more dangerous than cigarettes are.
Fortunately, the people in my life are so delighted that I'm not smoking any longer, I've never had to defend my PV.
What annoys me the most about the attempts to regulate against PVs is the logic. Anti smoking legislation came about to protect people from second hand smoke. When smokers were able to smoke anywhere, non smokers were forced to be exposed to those toxins. It was inconvenient for me, but fair.
The anti-vaping crowd bases their arguments on:
1) Although there is no danger to bystanders, people around you must be protected from seeing something that might make them think someone near them is smoking because that might frighten them.
2) There are no long-term studies that show that vaping is 100% harmless and it therefore must be more dangerous than cigarettes are.
Fortunately, the people in my life are so delighted that I'm not smoking any longer, I've never had to defend my PV.
Read the whole post.
I don't try to minimize the dangers of nicotine addiction by comparing it to caffeine because its not the same. This is the same nicotine that you get in a traditional cigarette, and it does the same thing to you. If we take the stance that its as safe as a Pepsi we are setting our selves up for devastating defeat when or if they do find minor long term side effects. No one knows for SURE that the risks are almost non-existent, claiming that means you conducted the first long term clinical trial and haven't released your findings. WE all know its much safer, but its hard to convince someone who has the site of "smoke" directly linked to dangerous chemicals.
The more we make claims that can't be proven the more likely we are to get this classified as a "drug delivery" device. It's an alternative nicotine delivery system, and is exactly like a tobacco cigarette without all of the extra chemicals and combustion. It should be treated like any other cigar, smokeless cigarette, traditional cigarette, or snuff.
Here's a blog that echo's some of my worries with the newer law that passed.
http://http://inebriatedpress.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/oped-fda-approved-cigarettes/
Edit: I'm not saying e-cigs or PV's are really dangerous, I feel the complete opposite. They are a life saving device that is who knows how many thousands of times safer than a cigarette. I just don't want to force someone who has been trained for years to believe that smoking kills, to make a snap judgment on vaping. I still go to the designated smoking areas, avoid vaping indoors in the public, and respect all the rules that apply to cigarettes. Once I educate them and send them places like here to do research, they tend to change their opinion.
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I've struggled to get a handle on the legal aspect of this. But, I have to confess, sometimes 'our' position reminds me of doublethink.
I'm not a smoker. I don't smoke, I vape. And, I am proud of being a non-smoker. Now, to meet the 'right thinking', I have to say what? That I still smoke? That my PV is just like a cigarette? No can do.
Correct me if my perception is wrong. I want to think so.
It's not that at all. I don't smoke, and haven't for 3 weeks. No one that vapes technically smokes anymore. I'm also proud of this fact. I just understand that all people see is anti smoking ads and to them an e-cig looks like a cigarette. It's not your perception that is wrong, it's the general public that has a jaded view. There is a very dangerous product out there that can and will hurt them, it just isn't what I'm holding in my hand. That can be VERY hard to explain to a non smoker so unless I have time I avoid the debate.
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