Do you have energy to defend your VP?

[foggy1]

As the OP said, "how do defend yourself ?"
my answer is "with the truth"..
I'll explain that I'm no longer burning tobacco
(even though it looks like it)
*that I can now choose my nicotine level
*that I can choose from many flavors
*that I'll be healthier without the 4000+ chemicals I'm avoiding
and that for me, it makes much more sense than the gums, patches or
pills that I could be using to try to control a 42 year nicotine habit
Educate the one's that can learn and
dismiss the idiots who can't
I'm looking forward to my TastyVapor order tommorrow
(these crappy 'noSmoke's from craigslist are going to the drawer)
just my ..thank you, foggy1

 

[DemonCowboy]

I disagree, if it is not smoking, then it is not a tobacco product so, is a drug delivery device and, that would need to be tested and FDA approved. If it's smoking, it's a tobacco product and will be taxed but, we won't lose it to the FDA.

So, yep, electronic cigarette is still a cigarette of some kind, keep it that way, just a new tobacco product, new lighterless, oderless (nearly), less disposable/expendable (super long lasting) brand but, yep cigarettes none the less.

but that also would mean it's treated like a cigarette meaning u can freeze outside in the cold and get wet in the rain and treated as a social leper no thanks i'm done w/ that, the e-cig is neither. it's an herbal vaporizer.

 

[NCC]

it's an herbal vaporizer.

No sir. That's an entirely different device, and taboo here.

 

[Shatt]

i am very glad to see how every one is so active in this community. I feel very welcome

Anyone that is following my original post - and subsequent posts, There is relative new news. My HR Department said that I cannot vape in the building. However I must go to the designated smoking area. I told them that it is not tobacco, and not smoke. It is vapor. They said, "well, there is nicotine in it, so you have to use that out side with the smokers." I rebutted with, "am i able to use a nicotine inhailer? in here, thats also nicotine?" They tell me, "I dont know." Again, the damn thing is, I cant fight them, they are too big for me and the only 10 or so out of several 100's.

I am also vaping to not freeze in the winter, and not get soaked in the rain, or what ever...and because of of my company's compulsorily need to follow strict wording of the WHO and Canada Health (where I am) - they condone the lack of evidence.

What a piss OFF!

 

[NCC]

@Shatt: I am not implicitly allowed to vape inside my work space, although my boss has caught me red handed several times and doesn't see a reason to object ... I'm sure he would if a customer saw me doing so.

Nevertheless, on our scheduled breaks, I go outside and vape with the smokers, just as I used to go outside and smoke with them.

The thing is, most of the year it is unbearably hot where I live and a ten minute break in unconditioned air is more than I would chose, given the option. So, for a change of scenery, I go out, take a few vapes (several minutes) and then retreat to indoors, LOL.

 

[rosesense]

I just stealth vape at my desk or go to the restroom if I don't want to go outside.

 

[Jack Fraust]

Two words:

Ninja Weapons.



hmm... vape bombs in eggshells.

busy,busy.

 

[DemonCowboy]

No sir. That's an entirely different device, and taboo here.

fine, it's a nicotine inhaler then. nicotine is not a drug so it cannot be a drug delivery device any more than a tomato - nor is it a tobacco product because if i so choose i could extract nicotine from tomatoes, nightshade or any of the several other plants that produce it. so YOU figure out another name then. it's closer to a herb than a drug but it's not tobacco since it's not exclusive to tobacco.

 

[NCC]

Nicotine is not a drug? News to me. Odd, since its addiction has been said to be equivalent to that of (auto edited strongly addictive drug) Whatever. By drug, do you mean something that gets you high? That excludes a lot of substances which are normally considered to be drugs.

 

[DemonCowboy]

but we're learning now that nicotine isn't as much the addictive part of cigarettes as we thought:

The 'addiction' is only bad in so far as it involves an activity/product that is harmful (such as combustion of tobacco).

With vaping, much like say eating fruit, there is a mix of harm and benefit and really nothing to legislate for; a matter of individual choice surely.

To have an effective alternative to smoking is the point. Smoking was never just about nicotine, just as a carrot was never just about beta-carotene - that assertion was fundamentally flawed from the outset.

AS long as we stick to extraction for composition we will be safe from 'new drug' claims, if sense prevails.

found here

 

[HeatherC]

You still inhale, you still take smoke breaks, you are still a "smoker one that puffs on something" It maybe vapor, but you still are a smoker like I am still a smoker, but it is vapor.

It's just an alternative to the real thing, but you still have the habit of smoking.


I like smoking I always have, and this lets me continue to be a smoker without the harm of being one.

by it's very definition smoke comes from combustion... is steam smoke?

 

[HeatherC]

Nicotine is not a drug? News to me. Odd, since its addiction has been said to be equivalent to that of (auto edited strongly addictive drug) Whatever. By drug, do you mean something that gets you high? That excludes a lot of substances which are normally considered to be drugs.

nicotine is no more harmful to u than caffeine is.... are u going to stop drinking coffee too?

 

[NCC]

nicotine is no more harmful to u than caffeine is.... are u going to stop drinking coffee too?

Irrelevant. Caffine is a drug also. I wasn't questioning if nicotine was harmful or anything else. They're both drugs. That point is indisputable, so far as I can see.

 

[D4rk50ul]

nicotine is no more harmful to u than caffeine is.... are u going to stop drinking coffee too?

This is not accurate and a very troubling comment. I'd hate to see a non smoker come on here and read this comment, then pick up vaping because its just like drinking Pepsi.

Just because you are passionate about vaping and it changed your life, doesn't mean you should make it sound perfect. There are risks involved with any addictive substance even the legal ones. Nicotine is not safe, vaping is safer than smoking traditional cigarettes.

 

[nervewreckincali]

This is not accurate and a very troubling comment. I'd hate to see a non smoker come on here and read this comment, then pick up vaping because its just like drinking Pepsi.

Just because you are passionate about vaping and it changed your life, doesn't mean you should make it sound perfect. There are risks involved with any addictive substance even the legal ones. Nicotine is not safe, vaping is safer than smoking traditional cigarettes.

Very nicely put. I still call myself a fiend... err addict, I don't forget and actually think about what it would've been like if I never picked up the analogs would I have started vaping? A good thing came from it though: I haven't smoked a cigar or lit my pipe since taking this up. So I guess the sheer enjoyment of simple rituals, palate and mucosa analyzing the "substance" has been taken over.

 

[NCC]

by it's very definition smoke comes from combustion... is steam smoke?

Of course not, that's ridiculous. OTOH, I would also call ridiculous the claims of many vapers that the visible exhaled product is water vapor.

 

[tgcrna]

PLEASE!!! This subject has been beat to death. AD NAUSEAM!!!!

 

[NCC]

PLEASE!!! This subject has been beat to death. AD NAUSEAM!!!!

Which subject are you referring to? Defending your use of a PV?

 

[tgcrna]

Which subject are you referring to? Defending your use of a PV?

Whether or not you are a smoker. If you want to consider yourself a smoker, go for it. I consider myself a non-smoker. And when asked at work if I smoke, with the purpose of determining my insurance rates, I'm definitely not a smoker. This argument of whether or not vaping is smoking is getting stale! Ridiculously trivial. Agree to disagree and find something else to concentrate on

 

[HeatherC]

This is not accurate and a very troubling comment. I'd hate to see a non smoker come on here and read this comment, then pick up vaping because its just like drinking Pepsi.

Just because you are passionate about vaping and it changed your life, doesn't mean you should make it sound perfect. There are risks involved with any addictive substance even the legal ones. Nicotine is not safe, vaping is safer than smoking traditional cigarettes.

That is actually what my doctor told me and ill personally believe that before anything else. I'm sorry if u disagree but actually look at the facts. They're looking at using nicotine in drugs to help with parkinson's Alzheimers and several other ailments.... check it it's true I believe my doctor before i believe anything anyone here has to say.

I do NOT disagree with the fact that it's perfectly safe CAFFEINE is not perfectly safe... BUT MY statement was infact accurate
Nicotine and addiction. (tobaccoharmreduction.org)
The effects of nicotine itself are similar to that other popular drug, caffeine. See our (nicotine reading list.) There is no evidence that nicotine causes any substantial risk for cancer, and the research shows that the risk for cardiovascular disease is minimal. The confusion about nicotine comes from anti-smoking activists talking about nicotine and smoking as if they were the same. While it is true that people smoke mostly because of nicotine; nicotine users die mostly because of the smoke.

Neither nicotine nor coffee are completely benign (in particular, both cause a short-term increase in your blood pressure and pulse rate when you use them, which could affect your health). A lot of evidence shows that coffee drinking causes very little health risk. Studying nicotine is a bit harder, because most nicotine users smoke, and the smoking is quite bad for you. But there is some good evidence: If nicotine were very bad for you then smokeless tobacco, which provides nicotine, would be very bad for you. As we've shown elsewhere, that is not the case.

Though nicotine is relatively safe for most individuals, it may have a negative effect on fetal development and as such should be avoided during pregnancy.