between the snakes and lightning.... Parks are a dangerous place...
Bah I am more afraid of the skeeters.
Do You Vape? Not In U.S. National Parks!
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Bah I am more afraid of the skeeters.
Alright...
I've gone back and checked...
You mentioned the "regulation" (battery "safety" circuitry) in consumer goods and how mech mods are unsafe because they lack them.
I made a case that it is likely that a mech with "safe chemistry batteries" (industry term, not mine) would likely be as safe as those consumer goods given the volatility of the cells used in consumer goods.
Not sure where we went off track here.
Are you saying you're for government regulations just because people don't understand our devices? Should we not be allowed to vape outdoors by ourselves because some people can't tell it's not smoke, so there must be a fire somewhere?
Are we killing puppies and babies somewhere every time we hit our PV's somewhere not locked in a secluded, private dwelling lacking other inhabitants?
Or is there something I'm missing that makes this an emotional battle?
It's not personal by any means.
There's just so much lack of knowledge and logic with some of the argument some of our members put against us as a community here.
We're our own biggest enemies...
Tapatyped
America has become an over zealous society that is always game for a witch hunt.
We slaughter each other with PC and it is tearing our country apart.
We are creating a society with no sense of context or rationality.
We slaughter each other with PC and it is tearing our country apart.
We are creating a society with no sense of context or rationality.
Yes, exactly!
From the other hand, could you imagine such an anti-vaping person as I am could be .. and .. on ECF without ...? Thank you anyway.
EDIT: yep, I've got drunk for the first time in two weeks. For the first time in two weeks I an an hohest (means not politically correct) alien.
Neither are snakes and lighting to someone with a little common sense. Skeeters one cannot ignore unless one uses DEET. That's another story though.
I am a math guy not a writer so writing is atypical.
Let's try this. I mentioned that for safety a regulated device is inherently safer than a mech. It removes the human element. I never stated mechs weren't safe. The safety lies in the human component and a regulated device removes that element. I pointed to the use of 510 with hybrid mods as an example. As you are well aware, most vents occur with a regulated device during charging which someone has used an improper charger for or a damaged battery.
For mechs, many things can cause a vent. Most of them are because of a human oversight.
Let me state this. I believe the idea of making vapers use smoking areas is crazy. They are not the same. It forces us to use smoking sections which put us right back to what we quit in the first place. At a stretch, one could argue it's like making a former alcoholic sit at bar which some have stated in a way.
I just can see their point to an extent. Mainly because the powers that be have no clue what vaping is and it is easier and more cost effective to lump them with smokers.
I could go on with perfect world scenarios but that is one thing we do not live in.
I am at the disadvantage of not having my secretary admin assistant or whatever the pc term is to type this while sitting in urgent care for a family member. I asked her once at work and she laughed at me.
YOU CANNOT SMOKE ON TRAILS or any PUBLIC places in Nat parks.
In California You can't even have a CAMPFIRE or ANY fire in the Campgrounds, much-less a cigarette.
IDK, how far the restriction translate to the VAPE, BUT being a respectful FORMER smoker, I treat the vape the same as I did the cigarettes. They stay in my pocket anytime and anywhere, it is inappropriate to use them.
Fair enough.
I was most definitely confused on your position given the content of some of your posts and the topic of this thread.
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when you asked a Co worker to oversee your forum posts.
Tapatyped
That's not true.
This weekend there will be over 500 campfires in the anza borrego desert state park here in California.
You can have a campfire.
You must contain your campfire, and bring you wood/fuel with you.
You can't just collect wood and ignite.
You are partially correct the fire restrictions tend to start at 4000' of elevation in state areas and on FEDERAL PARK and forest lands.
Anza Borrego is a STATE park and in the desert...... Sand, sage brush and cactus don't burn, easily. Yes, I know there are a few trees there. I think I saw that there are NO fires allowed in Death Valley, there's even less to burn there. It's mainly the LACK of wood to collect that requires you to bring your own. There are also regulations requiring it.
I'm sorry, did you miss the part about breathing with a mouth filter? If you did, then your comment doesn't come across half as ignorant as it reads.
Did humans enter this earth with a mouth filter or a vape device in their mouth?
You can not even call what you stated junk science. It is just irrelevant to the topic at hand. Most humans breathe through their nose. At times we do breathe through our mouth.
Like I stated your point is rediculous.
You are saying the Dr. F. study on second hand vapor is irrelevant to the topic, and is junk science?
Again, everyone needs to breathe to stay alive, but no one needs to breathe in public without a mouth filter. You have thus far not presented a reason why that is necessary, to breathe in public without a filter over your mouth. By not having that filter, those who breathe in public are introducing more harmful chemicals than those who exhale vapor.
And yet, still makes around ten times more sense than your position.
The most important reason I started this thread, is to try get vaping out of the same category as smoking in every way.
Any battery no matter what it's used for, falls under Battery Safety.
Vaping Devices should not be labeled a Fire & Health hazard because of it's battery, unless your going to label everything that takes a Lipo or Li-ion battery like, Smartphones, Laptops, Tablets, Camping and Hiking gear, GPS, Camera, Camcorder, RC Toys ( Google search RC plane fire, and see how safe they are to fly around a park).
But again, all of these fall under Battery Safety, and they should have a Policy on Battery Safety that covers all devices that take batteries.
And I didn't want to point fingers at the rude Vapers, the cloud chasers, the uneducated, or the vape haters, but the bottom line is, they are going to have to pass some rules, I don't see any way around that.
But putting Vaping under a Smoking Policy, not only makes people think they are one in the same, but it's setting Vaping up to be regulated, banned, or temporarily banned in parks and monuments for reasons that Smoking should be, but Vaping should NOT be.
Any battery no matter what it's used for, falls under Battery Safety.
Vaping Devices should not be labeled a Fire & Health hazard because of it's battery, unless your going to label everything that takes a Lipo or Li-ion battery like, Smartphones, Laptops, Tablets, Camping and Hiking gear, GPS, Camera, Camcorder, RC Toys ( Google search RC plane fire, and see how safe they are to fly around a park).
But again, all of these fall under Battery Safety, and they should have a Policy on Battery Safety that covers all devices that take batteries.
And I didn't want to point fingers at the rude Vapers, the cloud chasers, the uneducated, or the vape haters, but the bottom line is, they are going to have to pass some rules, I don't see any way around that.
But putting Vaping under a Smoking Policy, not only makes people think they are one in the same, but it's setting Vaping up to be regulated, banned, or temporarily banned in parks and monuments for reasons that Smoking should be, but Vaping should NOT be.
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