Do You Vape? Not In U.S. National Parks!

[bluecat]

They were placed under the same restrictions as cigarettes That is the issues
They are not cigarettes and should not be treated like they are.
Just the same places and the same rules as smoking, These Rules, The Director's Order #50D Smoking / vape Policy

Venting batteries ring a bell? Yea batteries can Vent, Keyword = BATTERIES

JUST Like them same type of batteries used in Smartphones and Cellphones

Report: iPhone Explodes in Man's Pocket | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

Samsung cell phone battery explodes in man's pocket - CNET

Cell phone explosion caught on camera

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Smartphones and Cellphones are a Fire Hazard, so with your logic, they too should fall under the Director's Order #50D Smoking Policy

Oh yea, and don't Smartphones emit Radiation too The 10 smartphones that emit the most radiation | ZDNet

Hurry and get Director Jarvis on the phone and warn him, these are Fire & Health hazards, and their users should be treated like Smokers

Last time I check a smartphone is regulated unlike some of the mech mods we use.

I do agree vaping is not smoking. I dearly miss my old friend. But we are better kept apart.

 

[FringeChief68]

Last time I check a smartphone is regulated unlike some of the mech mods we use.

I do agree vaping is not smoking. I dearly miss my old friend. But we are better kept apart.

So they regulated smartphones, and yet the batteries still Vent

Regulating = Companies that make legit devices have to give the Government even more of their hard earned money, while the clone & copy companies still make their garbage and sell it for a 3rd of the price without paying any Government fees, and people knowing or unknowing still buy it.

It's good to see the system works

 

[Racehorse]

The one with manners.

witty remark. I like it.

I lived in the deep South for part of my childhood, and unfortunately the one that was expected to move was anyone who didn't have white skin.

(It is still hard for me to believe that this kind of human rights violations existed IN MY LIFETIME!!!! (I'm older, but not ancient). I still look back and think about some of the things I saw as a child, at the lunch counters, etc. Horrible time in MODERN history, for sure.

 

[Racehorse]

It's pretty preposterous to ban vaping in any outdoor area. Indoors, I can get behind. Outdoors in a wilderness is pretty silly.

You do know what the term "wilderness" means, right?

In areas set aside FOR wilderness, man's footprint should be light. There are other forms of life out there besides us.

Obviously, you have never been on a hiking trail in the wilderness and seen a cigarette ...., a dirty baby diaper, a set of "works", and other human DROPPINGS. Given the way people behave, spent coils, empty ejuice bottles, and drippings of spilled nicotine-containing liquid would most certainly find its way in just like the things I've already mentioned.

If you think "outdoor" areas are all the same, then you really aren't *getting* the point about why certain areas were set aside to be protected so that future generations of people could enjoy them, as well as the native populations of flora and fauna.

People who need to be constantly entertained and/or do not appreciate this are welcome to stay in citi-fied areas that they are used to being in. Leave the wilderness to those who have reverence for it, and for the animals and plants that (are trying) to prosper there. It is our HERITAGE for goodness sake.

 

[Bunnykiller]

regulated means the government set the standards to be followed.... if they go poof.... thats the governments standards in effect

 

[beckdg]

Last time I check a smartphone is regulated unlike some of the mech mods we use.

I do agree vaping is not smoking. I dearly miss my old friend. But we are better kept apart.

Facts, references and quantitative measures are needed to make that statement hold weight.

Those devices also utilize more volatile chemistry that needs regulating circuits to minimize their chances of venting violently due to damage.

I've seen Zero mech mods vent in public. Can't say the same for laptops, tablets OR cell phones.

I'd be willing to bet your average mech mod loaded with an IMR or INR cell is less likely to vent violently than your average smart phone, tablet or laptop equipped with safety circuitry (that's just as likely to fail as your battery).

Tapatyped

 

[bluecat]

So they regulated smartphones, and yet the batteries still Vent

Regulating = Companies that make legit devices have to give the Government even more of their hard earned money, while the clone & copy companies still make their garbage and sell it for a 3rd of the price without paying any Government fees, and people knowing or unknowing still buy it.

It's good to see the system works

Alkaline batteries can explode which is technically a vent. Meh

Regulated as in regulated chip, electronics with protection circuits. I guess I need to be more clear.

Not the clone rage again. I thought that horse was long dead.

 

[bluecat]

Facts, references and quantitative measures are needed to make that statement hold weight.

Those devices also utilize more volatile chemistry that needs regulating circuits to minimize their chances of venting violently due to damage.

I've seen Zero mech mods vent in public. Can't say the same for laptops, tablets OR cell phones.

I'd be willing to bet your average mech mod loaded with an IMR or INR cell is less likely to vent violently than your average smart phone, tablet or laptop equipped with safety circuitry (that's just as likely to fail as your battery).

Tapatyped

Facts are needed. In a mech there is no regulation of the battery. In a smartphone there is. Which is my point. A vape device and smartphone are not the same unless a smartphone can bypass the electronic and pull crazy amps.

The reason a mech is more likely to fail is human inervention which the chip relieve that error in most cases. Just look at those that use a 510 with a hybrid device.

Can they fail, yes just like any electrical component. Then, that is going way past my point.

 

[beckdg]

Facts are needed. In a mech there is no regulation of the battery. In a smartphone there is. Which is my point. A vape device and smartphone are not the same

Correct.

There is not a safe chemistry battery option for a smart phone.

And crazy amps is a relative term. Anyone can buy a knock off battery replacement for cheap off ebay and suddenly be pulling "crazy amps" due to the lesser quality of the cheap, dangerous battery.

Tapatyped

 

[FringeChief68]

Alkaline batteries can explode which is technically a vent. Meh

Regulated as in regulated chip, electronics with protection circuits. I guess I need to be more clear.

Not the clone rage again. I thought that horse was long dead.

Not a clone rage, just making a point that regulating isn't a fix all.

 

[GinnyTx]

this came across my FB last week..I filed a complaint and gotten the standard form email that it's being considered.

Want your voice heard? it's worth a shot.

File a Complaint - United States Park Police (U.S. National Park Service)

 

[Bad Ninja]

witty remark. I like it.

I lived in the deep South for part of my childhood, and unfortunately the one that was expected to move was anyone who didn't have white skin.

(It is still hard for me to believe that this kind of human rights violations existed IN MY LIFETIME!!!! (I'm older, but not ancient). I still look back and think about some of the things I saw as a child, at the lunch counters, etc. Horrible time in MODERN history, for sure.

You must be a lot older than me and I'm almost 50.
I grew up in the Deep South. It hasn't been that way in a generation.

I've lived all over this great nation.

The most racist state by far I have ever lived in is present day California.

 

[bluecat]

Correct.

There is not a safe chemistry battery option for a smart phone.

And crazy amps is a relative term. Anyone can buy a knock off battery replacement for cheap off ebay and suddenly be pulling "crazy amps" due to the lesser quality of the cheap, dangerous battery.

Tapatyped

A safe chemistry battery is a misnomer.

 

[bluecat]

Not a clone rage, just making a point that regulating isn't a fix all.

My point wasn't government regulation.

 

[beckdg]

A safe chemistry battery is a misnomer.

Not when you're choosing what to hold on your crotch or up to your face...

Or when debating whether your laptop or your mech mod is going to burn down the whole great outdoors first.

But let's argue semantics.

Tapatyped

 

[Bunnykiller]

Couldn't they just walk over the one not breathing?

Zombies dont breathe... no need to they arent truely alive

 

[Bunnykiller]

This action did not ban them in the entire park. Just the same places as cigs are banned. Concessions, govt vehicles like tour busses, etc. They were placed under the same restrictions as cigarettes. If smoking is banned in the outdoor areas due to fire risk so are vapes. And yes vaping CAN be a fire hazard. Venting batteries ring a bell? Rare yes but possible.
imho the best we can hope for is to be classed with smoking. For a while at least, and at least it is better than a total ban on vaping.

I would bet that there are more fires started by lightning in National Parks than venting batteries....

 

[Bad Ninja]

I would bet that there are more fires started by lightning in National Parks than venting batteries....

I would bet lightning causes more fires in parks than cigarettes.

 

[Bunnykiller]

between the snakes and lightning.... Parks are a dangerous place...

 

[bluecat]

Not when you're choosing what to hold on your crotch or up to your face...

Or when debating whether your laptop or your mech mod is going to burn down the whole great outdoors first.

But let's argue semantics.

Tapatyped

Anyway. Not my point.