Doctor from CDC on C-Span discussing vaping this morning

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Tried to call in. Nice woman but naïve. Wanted to ask:

-- Should ex-smokers return to tobacco until the government completes more studies?
-- Does she believe cigarettes and ecig’s likely have the same magnitude of risk to individual health?
-- Will permitting only tobacco flavors groom kids to smoke cigarettes and cause ex-smokers to relapse?
-- If THC black-market cartridges caused lung injuries, what is the logic of forcing flavored nicotine onto the black market?
-- Why do current proposed solutions to youth vaping impact ex-smokers heavily while having only tangential (and little to no impact) on youth vaping? The obvious sources of this issue are mass-market advertising, mass distribution and poor distribution controls. So why not FIX this issue by:
-- Place strict bans/prohibition on advertising of all tobacco and nicotine products with penalties up $500M per incident and the ability to immediately suspend and revoke sales (most is traceable to tobacco companies)
-- Restrict sales to only to authorized smoke and vape shops, or online with age verification. Strip authorization on a second violation by an entity within a two-year window.
-- Allow underage sales only with a doctor’s prescription
-- Establish real consequences for fraud, conveyance, misuse by a physician (i.e. a la pain clinics), etc.
-- Stop demonizing nicotine and encourage the shift of cigarette smokers to lower harm alternatives.
-- Ban employment and insurance discrimination again these lower harm alternatives.​
-- There is a well-funded campaign by anti-tobacco organizations that demonizes vaping and nicotine including advertising that is often factually false. The consequence for ex-smokers is scorn, discrimination in employment, discrimination in insurance, and heavy taxation; outcomes counter to public health. Many smokers will not to quit and many ex-smokers will return to cigarettes. Why doesn't government reign in such obviously counterproductive actions?

It is time to end the mass hysteria, demonizing of nicotine and ex-smokers, and move to solutions that improve public health.
 
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Tried to call in. Nice woman but naïve. Wanted to ask:

-- Should ex-smokers return to tobacco until the government completes more studies?
-- Does she believe cigarettes and ecig’s likely have the same magnitude of risk to individual health?
-- Will permitting only tobacco flavors groom kids to smoke cigarettes and cause ex-smokers to relapse?
-- If THC black-market cartridges caused lung injuries, what is the logic of forcing flavored nicotine onto the black market?
-- Why do current proposed solutions to youth vaping impact ex-smokers heavily while having only tangential (and little to no impact) on youth vaping? The obvious sources of this issue are mass-market advertising, mass distribution and poor distribution controls. So why not FIX this issue by:
-- Place strict bans/prohibition on advertising of all tobacco and nicotine products with penalties up $500M per incident and the ability to immediately suspend and revoke sales (most is traceable to tobacco companies)
-- Restrict sales to only to authorized smoke and vape shops, or online with age verification. Strip authorization on a second violation by an entity within a two-year window.
-- Allow underage sales only with a doctor’s prescription
-- Establish real consequences for fraud, conveyance, misuse by a physician (i.e. a la pain clinics), etc.
-- Stop demonizing nicotine and encourage the shift of cigarette smokers to lower harm alternatives.
-- Ban employment and insurance discrimination again these lower harm alternatives.​
-- There is a well-funded campaign by anti-tobacco organizations that demonizes vaping and nicotine including advertising that is often factually false. The consequence for ex-smokers is scorn, discrimination in employment, discrimination in insurance, and heavy taxation; outcomes counter to public health. Many smokers will not to quit and many ex-smokers will return to cigarettes. Why doesn't government reign in such obviously counterproductive actions?

It is time to end the mass hysteria, demonizing of nicotine and ex-smokers, and move to solutions that improve public health.
Anne Schuchat is not a "nice woman." She is personally responsible for the CDC's campaign to blame nicotine vaping for illnesses caused by those illegal THC carts, because she is the acting boss of the CDC!
 

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Her anti vaping stance came through when she was answering call ins. At one point she mentioned popcorn lung, and micro-fine particles, and metal exposure...I couldn't finish watching after that point. She also had thrown in the teen rise in vaping epidemic.
 

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Anne Schuchat is not a "nice woman." She is personally responsible for the CDC's campaign to blame nicotine vaping for illnesses caused by those illegal THC carts, because she is the acting boss of the CDC!

Man, would have loved asking her if she had ever had a family member or friend who smoked cigarettes. And then asking pointedly if she was responsible for the CDC blaming nicotine vaping for harm caused by black-market THC.
 

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I hate when they say that they have "approved" methods of stopping smoking and infer that just because the government has "approved" them, that they are safe, much less effective. How can she say that with a straight face?
I'm with you on that! They'll approve all kinds of medications with horrific side effects but ban a harm reduction method proven to be fairly harmless. I am more convinced that the above posts are correct.....she is probably an appointed figure being paid to say their bidding. One of the many pieces of the plan implemented by Big T to overtake the vaping industry. They already have Altria's CEO sitting in the Juul's ex-CEO's chair. They will take advantage of this to destroy vaping then pick up the pieces and rebuild it under their victory flag. Look how they used the TMS (Tobacco Master Settlement) in 1998. It's been working fairly well for them until vaping started to eat away at their profits. I'm not a conspiracy weirdo just someone who knows warfare tactics. This is "Conquer 101". Before you can conquer a country, region, group of people, etc. first you have to bring them down. It usually begins by cutting off food supply. In this case, it's cutting off vape supplies. I swear, Big T and P are like a giant monster who refuses to die and strategically plans it's future life. Maybe more like a virus that morphs itself in order to become immune to the threat.
 
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I hate when they say that they have "approved" methods of stopping smoking and infer that just because the government has "approved" them, that they are safe, much less effective. How can she say that with a straight face?
I wonder if there's single person here who hasn't tried most or all of those methods and found them ineffective?
 
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