Talking about the flavors you can ad to the liquid.
Such as the mint or vanilla taste, etc.
Does nicotine only cause problems long term?
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Talking about the flavors you can ad to the liquid.
Such as the mint or vanilla taste, etc.
I think that's a little bit too specific of a question to have an actual answer. Like I don't think there's been a study done on vaping nicotine 2 weeks after having a mole removed if you know what I mean. Nicotine does restrict blood vessels which does slow down healing to some degree I only really worried about it if there's some sort of major internal surgery or dental surgery. But that's my personal view it's not based on medical information it's just what I feel is fine for me. What I do know is if you go into the hospital as a smoker or I guess a vaper for a surgery they're going to give you a nicotine patch. That's what they're going to go for so that's nicotine and they're not overly concerned about the healing process when they do that now they might not offer it up but it will be available to a patient in 90% of the cases because they don't want you sneaking out and smoking a cigarette because that's going to do even more damage plus then they have to smell it. So I'm not too sure but that's something that I've witnessed take it as you will
It's like this,
Smoking Tobacco causes problems in the long term. Vaping is benign. There are a multitude of people who vape and, without having to say anything to anyone, are living proof that vaping really is benign. To open a thread asking vapers if nicotine only causes problems in the long term suggests that Vaping causes problems long term. That's why this question should be directed at a smoking community and then "they" can live with the stigma.
Do you see ?.
Smoking Tobacco has been scientifically proven to cause health problems to smokers in the long term.
Vaping using e cigarettes has not been scientifically proven to cause health problems to vapers in the long term.
I think that should cover all the angles.
Smoking Tobacco causes problems in the long term. Vaping is benign. There are a multitude of people who vape and, without having to say anything to anyone, are living proof that vaping really is benign. To open a thread asking vapers if nicotine only causes problems in the long term suggests that Vaping causes problems long term. That's why this question should be directed at a smoking community and then "they" can live with the stigma.
Do you see ?.
Smoking Tobacco has been scientifically proven to cause health problems to smokers in the long term.
Vaping using e cigarettes has not been scientifically proven to cause health problems to vapers in the long term.
I think that should cover all the angles.
It's like this,
Smoking Tobacco causes problems in the long term. Vaping is benign. There are a multitude of people who vape and, without having to say anything to anyone, are living proof that vaping really is benign. To open a thread asking vapers if nicotine only causes problems in the long term suggests that Vaping causes problems long term. That's why this question should be directed at a smoking community and then "they" can live with the stigma.
Do you see ?.
Smoking Tobacco has been scientifically proven to cause health problems to smokers in the long term.
Vaping using e cigarettes has not been scientifically proven to cause health problems to vapers in the long term.
I think that should cover all the angles.
You’ve missed the point. The point is not about smoking, it’s about the use of nicotine.
I have not had many surgeries, and they were some time ago. I was never advised against using nicotine, except for smoking after dental surgery.
But I’ve seen several people on the forum who were advised not to use nicotine, as in, they were told not to vape liquid with nicotine in it.
I still don’t see the point of asking random strangers. The OP’s doctor is the one to ask.
We’re not doctors. And if we were, we wouldn’t be in the OP’s network, and our out of pocket fees would be ridiculous.
@Bean Stocker is suggesting to the vaping community that e cigarette vaping causes problems in the long term.
Wow that is a very interesting and intriguing little bit of information there because you're absolutely right. I am under the impression that nicotine slows the blood flow by restricting blood vessels but it also somehow is supposed to contribute to increased blood supply when it comes to cancerous growths which some of them require quite a large blood supply so how in the hell does that coincide
Here's the newest word on nicotine, in NRT form, and surgical healing. It's basically the same nicotine in e-liquid, same source, so why not the same outcomes? Because you're being lied to. Until the somewhat limited data on nicotine replacement therapies nicotine in any study actually meant tobacco and most often, tobacco smoking.
Nicotine Replacement Therapy Does Not Drive Post Surgery Risks
Nicotine Replacement Therapy Does Not Drive Post Surgery Risks
My experience:
Fractured my ankle in 3 places and I was at that time a 100% smoker. Got prescribed nic patches, and nic gum while I waited in hospital for ORIF surgery. Also had a vape aio delivered from my parents, which I occasionally used in the bathroom.
Before and after surgery, I was told by my surgeon to continue the NRT and vaping if I needed to. The only thing he didn't want me to do was smoke. He also wanted me as calm and stress-free as possible.
My fractures and surgery sites healed quickly - considering my recent smoking history.
But I would not recommend anything without discussing it with your surgeon and anaesthetist
The only problem I have with this is that doctors typically don't stay up to date with research once they're out there treating patients. From my experience, even in non-vaping matters, it's best to keep up with the research and be your own advocate.
As an example, all the recent research says that in those people without a thyroid, like myself, the TSH test should take a back seat to measurements for the replacement thyroid hormone and the hormone that particular replacement is converted to. To my horror, 99% of the doctors I've seen want to run only a TSH test and adjust my medication accordingly, which leaves me very hypo and feeling like three day old crap.
It also doesn't help that vaping is constantly under attack in the mainstream media, which doctors probably consume a lot more of than medical publications. Look at any study about nicotine in NRTs and you'll see that vasoconstriction is present but less than in smoking, and that NRTs are safe to use by cardiac patients and adolescents, yet the same nicotine in vaping is the devil?
StormFinch, have you tried natural dessicated thyroid? My wife said it works better than synthroid (that she took for 40 years)
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I agree with this. The 2 studies I saw from a quick search showed carbon monoxide (CO) was the product in smoking that lowered oxygen levels and slowed the healing process. But carbon monoxide production is from combustion which doesn't apply to vaping. There also seems to be no real healing issues even with CO, it just takes longer to heal.
The second study I saw was a controlled experiment where there was a small effect on the rate of healing from day 2 to 10 after injury or operation, being a little slower with nicotine subjects, and identical healing rate after 10 days between the nicotine and non-nicotine subjects. This test were done with rabbits so up to you to determine if there is any value in that.
All the studies I saw saying nicotine should be suspended were done in the 1990s and earlier, so I would count that as don't smoke cigarettes since vaping wasn't a thing yet leading me to believe that CO could certainly be the real reason. Which makes sense if it lowers your oxygen levels which is a critical part of healing.
I would say go ahead and vape and if you're really worried about it, lower your nicotine for a while to hedge your bet.
I have and thank you for asking. Sadly it gives me major anxiety issues. I've even tried synthetic T3 in combination with my Tirosint (the only T4 replacement I can handle) with lesser anxiety but an almost constant case of "medicine head." I'm what's known as Hashi-Graves, have low T3 syndrome despite no deathly illness, and have been officially diagnosed a Zebra. (when you hear hoofbeats...) lol
This.
Nicotine got a bad rap due to the manner in which most people (ourselves included) used to consume it, where lots of the maladies caused by various other substances in smoke ended up attributed to nicotine.
Right down to the so called "addictiveness." From the research that's been done on it, it's much more likely that it's the MAO inhibitors in tobacco, and try looking up how hard the pharma versions are to kick, rather than the nicotine itself.
And now we know why the OP asked here, may not be doctors, but there are obviously some people who have done some research and may be more accurately informative than their doctor.
I suspect it's the combination of both. MAOIs are known to potentiate the effects of anything that increases dopamine production, which nicotine clearly does. The fact that tobacco delivers both simultaneously makes it harder to kick a tobacco habit that either substance alone.
I also think the lack of the MAOIs in vapor products is why they are not an adequate substitute for tobacco for many who've tried them. Those of us who had no trouble switching from tobacco to straight nicotine vapes like to think that vaping is the cure for smoking, but it really isn't, at least not for everyone.
I can ace that test, here's what nicotine does straight from the Cancer Council of Zeus:
Covertly operating through the unconscious weak spots and blind spots in the human psyche; making people oblivious to their own madness, causing and influencing them to act against–their–own–best–interests and higher-good, as if under a spell and unconsciously possessed. This means that they are actually nourishing the lower vibrational energy with their lifestyle, choices, energy and habits, which is unconsciously giving the lower-energy the very power and fuel it needs—for repeating and recreating endless drama, suffering and destruction, in more and more amplified forms on a national and world stage.
Covertly operating through the unconscious weak spots and blind spots in the human psyche; making people oblivious to their own madness, causing and influencing them to act against–their–own–best–interests and higher-good, as if under a spell and unconsciously possessed. This means that they are actually nourishing the lower vibrational energy with their lifestyle, choices, energy and habits, which is unconsciously giving the lower-energy the very power and fuel it needs—for repeating and recreating endless drama, suffering and destruction, in more and more amplified forms on a national and world stage.
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