after you turn 30 to 35 you don't have the joy of coughing all of it back up....at least that is what I have read.
Does Propylene Glycol Dislodge Tar in Lungs?
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A positive note in regards to propylene glycol (Taken from the bottom of the wikipedia article)
"Studies conducted in 1942 by Dr. Oswald Hope Robertson of University of Chicago's Billings Hospital showed vaporized propylene glycol inhalation in laboratory mice may prevent pneumonia, influenza, and other respiratory diseases. Additional studies in monkeys and other animals were undertaken to determine longterm effects, especially the potential for accumulation in the lungs.[17]"
Sweet, so keep vaping and hopefully this swine flu pandemic will skip all of us e smokers
"Studies conducted in 1942 by Dr. Oswald Hope Robertson of University of Chicago's Billings Hospital showed vaporized propylene glycol inhalation in laboratory mice may prevent pneumonia, influenza, and other respiratory diseases. Additional studies in monkeys and other animals were undertaken to determine longterm effects, especially the potential for accumulation in the lungs.[17]"
Sweet, so keep vaping and hopefully this swine flu pandemic will skip all of us e smokers
I never coughed up anything when I quit smoking? I smoked for 10 yrs..is that normal?
I'll get a lung x-ray done tomorrow.
Basically all you have to do is request one while visiting a doctor. Say that your worried about your lungs, even at a regular check-up. This may only show if you have a mass of some sort but maybe it'll show the condition of your lungs. This should be an obvious, nobody's said it, IT WOULD BE HUGE if we got new members to show the before and after x-rays!
Also, if absolutely needed. If the pg is keeping the tar inside. I'll go completely smoke free and vape free for another 2 months and see if I start coughing up tar. We all should do our part!
Basically all you have to do is request one while visiting a doctor. Say that your worried about your lungs, even at a regular check-up. This may only show if you have a mass of some sort but maybe it'll show the condition of your lungs. This should be an obvious, nobody's said it, IT WOULD BE HUGE if we got new members to show the before and after x-rays!
Also, if absolutely needed. If the pg is keeping the tar inside. I'll go completely smoke free and vape free for another 2 months and see if I start coughing up tar. We all should do our part!
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i never coughed up stuff either but im happy about that bc that would be nasty unless the occasional phlegm counts
I coughed stuff up for a month after quitting. (Little brown specs) It felt like I gained a little more lung capacity with every productive cough.
I wonder if anyone commenting here uses VG instead?
I wonder if anyone commenting here uses VG instead?
Why aren't all ejuices vg based by now? It all costs the damn same amount and it has way less side effects!
Very much my experience. Breathe better, feel much better; but none of the dark sputum I experienced 25 years ago when last I quit. Four months vaping and not a single analog since I opened my first shipment from China!
I, for one, do not want VG-based liquid. PG has been thoroughly tested and has highly beneficial anti-bacterial effects. VG has not been as tested and has shown lesser anti-bacterial effects. I've used both. I'll go out of my way to order only PG liquid.
I'm with you on the PG TBob.
I just wondered if VG might inhibit the lungs from clearing.
I just wondered if VG might inhibit the lungs from clearing.
I don't care about cleaning my lungs out with soap
I just want my back to feel like it hasn't been hit by a freight train (extreme muscle soreness)
Bob, you should also consider that most of the bacterias we have in our body are good ones, our body need them, very few of them are bad ones, killing all of them doesn't sound that great...
try to imagine your doctor giving you some pills for a bacterical infection to be taken for 10 days, and you continue to get those chemical pills every day for the rest of your life... mmh it can't be good.
Also, is PG really an anti-bacterial? it was 'suspected' to be a possible germs/bacterias killer in a 1942 experiment with chimps but this potential doesn't show up in more recent studies for what i read on the internet.
anyway both of them (PG,VG) are toxicant 'suspects' as you can read here for PG:
PROPYLENE GLYCOL
and here for VG:
GLYCERIN MIST
and here there's a database search for all known chemicals, just type the name of the chemical and all about it will show up:
Chemical Profiles
many says Gliceryn (or Glicerol) is safer than PG as you can read here for example:
taken from a UK based Laboratory Test for Totally Wicked E-Liquids
"The primary aerosol forming solvent (Propylene Glycol) used in the preparation of the nicotine
solution is listed as a suspected respiratory toxicant. Pillbox 38 should look at changing the aerosol
forming solvent from the suspected respiratory toxicant Propylene Glycol, to an even safer solvent
such as Glycerol. "
and (on recommendations paragraph)
Pillbox 38 should take a Proactive look at replacing the Propylene
Glycol component completely with an alternative such as Glycerol, in
the event that the solvent becomes added to the list of respiratory
toxicants in the foreseeable future
on the other side somebody says that PG is safer than Gliceryn as VG can produce Acrolein when burning...
in the end, what's safer?
i don't know, anyway i believe inhaling PG and VG is for sure 1000 times less toxicant than analog smoking and like Bob says i believe we all need more tests and studies to be done all over this.
FDA posted their findings today on e cig testing. I would link but I can't as im too new. What do you all think?
I smoke for years, off and on for about forty. I had xrays done every couple of years. My doctor was a little disappointed because I smoked and they came back clear.
I think that is the biggie here. If your lungs were clear when you made the switch, of course you aren't going to cough anything up.
Just be glad, if you are coughing stuff up because that probably means you had tar building up in your lungs and now you are clearing them.
Just remember, this is my opinion and not necessarily what is happening, but I hope so.
I think that is the biggie here. If your lungs were clear when you made the switch, of course you aren't going to cough anything up.
Just be glad, if you are coughing stuff up because that probably means you had tar building up in your lungs and now you are clearing them.
Just remember, this is my opinion and not necessarily what is happening, but I hope so.
I was diagnosed with COPD several years ago. When I quit analogs and started vaping (PG base) in March, for the first month I coughed up so much crap that it was sometimes scary. Especially in the morning after a normal nights sleep I would wake up and feel like I was drowning in it until I was able to cough it all up (gross, I know).
Then, little by little, my smoker's hack disappeared completely and I only occassionally cough up small amounts of phlegm. I must admit that the grossness of the first month clearing process was outweighed by the relief that my lungs felt afterward.
Personally, I think breathing the warm, moist vapor HELPS loosen all of that crap. Once in the ER when I couldn't breath the first thing they did was give me a mask to breathe warm, moist, medicated vapor and it also made me hack up a lot of nasty crap.
My doctor listened to my lungs at my last visit and was delighted that my airways sounded clear. I told her I was vaping and she had no problem with it because it's working.
Note: I smoked for forty-two years and was at two plus packs a day.
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