If i were to guess I'd say because they're anti nicotine, period. Under any circumstances.
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If i were to guess I'd say because they're anti nicotine, period. Under any circumstances.
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If the current CA bills pass, service men and women who are not yet 21 won't be old enough to legally buy tobacco or vapor products, even though they're old enough to go to war in service of our freedoms.
I can see the ANTZ headline now, "tobacco companies use patriotism to attract children"
How about "Tobacco paid shills help fight against industry's competition"? Featuring Antz portraits? Technically they're paid from tobacco taxes and MSA and fight agains't tobacco's biggest competitor ever.
I snooped like crazy between the ages of 7-10. I did indeed figure out how to open locked doors and get into places I wasn't supposed to go. Thank gad I had enough human intelligence to know I shouldn't go drinking bottles of strange liquid, EVEN IF they had a picture of a cookie or a girl on it. I saw lemons on Lemon Pledge and I LOVE lemons and lemonade. I remember seeing cute little bubbles with smiley faces on our Scrubbing Bubbles bottles. But as a human child, I was smart enough to know that these were not placed where things I should ingest would normally be stored.
Zoid, bro, I feel ya, man, but you're attributing WAAAAAAAY too much to child stupidity. Also, again, how many times do we have to say this before you understand what we're trying to say: a cookie will not inherently make a child drink a strange liquid. And what is a child? If it's a baby, it is nobody's fault but the parents'. If it's a toddler, same thing. If the kid is able to make an intelligent decision (which you don't seem to think they're capable of), and is old enough to know what it is and why it is poison... Again.... AGAIN... that is directly the result of the parents. If they always see you puffing, it's your obligation to explain to them what you are using and why.
EDIT: As far as a person holding a bottle with a cookie or a girl wielding a bloody chainsaw in front of a senator and saying it is being marketed directly to children... I'm not sure what kind of activity is being done in your state to make sure ridiculous vape laws go into effect, but I have to, I just have to, believe that reason will win out. That may be wishful thinking but you're blowing this topic so far out of proportion a nuke wouldn't even dent it.
Zoid, bro, I feel ya, man, but you're attributing WAAAAAAAY too much to child stupidity. Also, again, how many times do we have to say this before you understand what we're trying to say: a cookie will not inherently make a child drink a strange liquid. And what is a child? If it's a baby, it is nobody's fault but the parents'. If it's a toddler, same thing. If the kid is able to make an intelligent decision (which you don't seem to think they're capable of), and is old enough to know what it is and why it is poison... Again.... AGAIN... that is directly the result of the parents. If they always see you puffing, it's your obligation to explain to them what you are using and why.
EDIT: As far as a person holding a bottle with a cookie or a girl wielding a bloody chainsaw in front of a senator and saying it is being marketed directly to children... I'm not sure what kind of activity is being done in your state to make sure ridiculous vape laws go into effect, but I have to, I just have to, believe that reason will win out. That may be wishful thinking but you're blowing this topic so far out of proportion a nuke wouldn't even dent it.
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I see, I was unaware that the legal age in some places was about to go up to 21. Thank you!!! Not sure how I feel about this.
Please don't ask for this to be banned or a law made. I'm a very strong believer in free market. It always works, and the government never has to get involved. I second the suggestion to write to the company and have a healthy B2C conversation about concerns.
On the other hand, it's the parents responsibility to make sure this is never gotten ahold of by kids. Having never dealt with the company in the OP, I don't believe they are TRYING to get kids to Vape, it's a cute photo, it's named Mr. cookie, but where have you seen it?
It's not on TV, it's not in the grocery stores, not even in the gas station... They MAY be in Vape shops, but even then... How are they attracting children if the product is never seen outside of the home its purchased for? Even if we argue that it is on the Internet, if the child in question can find it, put it in the cart, check out, enter the CC number of someone else's card, not have the owner of the CC get suspicious, wait 5 days for the post, hopefully sneak it past the adults, then proceed to consume this in an off-label way... I don't think they are the adorable 4-year olds we imagine when we say "Keep Away from Children".
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On the other hand, it's the parents responsibility to make sure this is never gotten ahold of by kids. Having never dealt with the company in the OP, I don't believe they are TRYING to get kids to Vape, it's a cute photo, it's named Mr. cookie, but where have you seen it?
It's not on TV, it's not in the grocery stores, not even in the gas station... They MAY be in Vape shops, but even then... How are they attracting children if the product is never seen outside of the home its purchased for? Even if we argue that it is on the Internet, if the child in question can find it, put it in the cart, check out, enter the CC number of someone else's card, not have the owner of the CC get suspicious, wait 5 days for the post, hopefully sneak it past the adults, then proceed to consume this in an off-label way... I don't think they are the adorable 4-year olds we imagine when we say "Keep Away from Children".
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So using patriotism to attract children to dying when they turn 17-18 is protecting them? (I support the troops...hell I tried to enlist just making a point with their logic)
i agree with you about 'the public's perception'.
however i believe we should not bow down to it in
any way shape or form.
these restrictions didn't work for smoking.
they will not work for vaping. we know that and,
they know that.
its about time we told them do what you will for
whatever reasons you have but we know your full
of it.
we are not helping them no mater what the flavor
or,style of packaging.
what helps them is when they can say,"look even
vapers think this is good for the chillin'".
the exact thing that happened with cigarettes,
for the exact same failed reasoning.
Fred Flintstone? as many adults or more watched
that cartoon as children did. adults loved it.why?
because it had adult themes and children's themes.
did they show COPYRIGHTDMCA or Bam Bam smoking?
no. they showed Fred and Barnie. they were
adults if i remember correctly.
if i remember right COPYRIGHTDMCA and Bam Bam
were added to attract,wait for it,wait for it,
more chillin'. ding ding,you win the prize.
don't get me wrong. they will shove this
chillin' argument right down our throats,
because it works for so many things.
i for one say so what? i will teach my grand
children until the day i die to pay attention
this is how they will strip whats left of your
liberties if you have any left when you come
of age.
i say down with the cowards that hide behind
children. i've said it in the past. i say it now.
i'll say it till the day i die.
i will not be party to their lies.
regards
mike
And non-drinking.
I have always been disgusted by the fact that gov't thinks a 17 yr old is "grown up" enough to die "for our freedoms" (don't get me started) but they're not old enough to buy a beer or a pack of smokes. That's just wrong.
HA! Non-smoking my ......I can't tell you how many current enlisted and officers I've met that have combat experience and even those that were about to ship out were smokers...from what they told me short of drinking it was the only thing that took the edge off knowing they very well might be heading to their death or dealing with the crap they have seen and had to do
That my friend is called politics and big government thinking they know best...doesn't help that the sheep have let them gather such power though...this is our country and they are our elected officials...meaning they are supposed to be OUR VOICE and if they don't live up to that then it is our responsibility to correct that...the people haven't done our part and now we are paying for it
Save the children!
Buy them a pouch of Big League Chew today! Available at all popular family stores everywhere! Get them addicted today!
Buy them a pouch of Big League Chew today! Available at all popular family stores everywhere! Get them addicted today!
I've been telling people that's training kids to dip for a few years now...for some reason I always get looked at like a nut job...they always say "it's gum you dumb ..."
The really sad part of voting anymore is Which Worthless Lying Politician Do You Choose. I gave up voting For something/someone years ago. My personal feeling is they are all Clones. They've become like cars, they all do basically the same things but come in slightly different forms and colors. But each just get in line on the Highway (BG) and follow the Dotted Lines. For that reason I have begun to believe that the issue is not the 'Car' but the 'Highway' that's the issue. The ultimate goal is that we all join the other Cars on the Highway and follow the Dotted-Lines.
ETA: I do still vote, but as I said seldom For anything or one.
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i agree with you about 'the public's perception'.
however i believe we should not bow down to it in
any way shape or form.
these restrictions didn't work for smoking.
they will not work for vaping. we know that and,
they know that.
its about time we told them do what you will for
whatever reasons you have but we know your full
of it.
we are not helping them no mater what the flavor
or,style of packaging.
what helps them is when they can say,"look even
vapers think this is good for the chillin'".
the exact thing that happened with cigarettes,
for the exact same failed reasoning.
...
i say down with the cowards that hide behind
children. i've said it in the past. i say it now.
i'll say it till the day i die.
i will not be party to their lies.
regards
mike
I think it is Great that you want to Draw a Line here for all the Inequities of the Past. And to use e-Liquid Marketing as the way to do it. But have you ever read Don Quixote?
Many People here in this thread want to tell me that Cartoon Characters or Images of Adolescent Girls on Labels doesn't make Children want to Drink e-Liquids. That Isn't What I am trying to Point Out.
And Many say that it is the Parents Responsibility to keep e-Liquids out of Reach of Children (which I believe 100%). That Isn't My point Either.
Or that because there is This Image on This Product that there should be That Image on That Product. Once again, Nothing to do with My Position. Or even a Valid Comparison.
What I am Trying to Point is we are getting close to seeing Congress go thru the Approval Process for FDA Deeming of e-Liquids. This will decide the Fate of e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids in our Country.
There will be Standardized Labeling in the FDA Rules
There will be CRP in the FDA Rules
There will be an Age Limit in the FDA Rules
This Really is even Debatable.
So Fighting for (on whatever grounds) or Continuing to Market e-Liquids with Cartoon Characters or Images of Adolescent Girls (on whatever grounds) is all Moot. Fighting for Causes that are Lost Just Makes Fighting for Causes that have a Chance of Success (or Compromise) Harder.
And Giving ANTZ Senators more Ammunition to use Against Us is Just Stupid. We will have a Hard Enough Fight on our Hands dealing with Issues that Actually Impact e-Cigarette Use.
I don't Like the System. I don't Like How it Works. I don't like the Lies that are Told to the Public. And I don't Like Most of the People Telling the Lies. But I Understand the System. And at least Know how to Work Inside the System.
Intentionally Inflaming those who will Decide the Fate of e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids on the Federal in this Country is Reckless.
And if we want to have Any Chance of getting something out of the Deeming Approval process, people had Better start Understanding just how this Game is Played. And what Tactics those who are Players will Use Against us to Defeat Us.
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