Does this seem right to you?

[skoony]

I don't think they Need or Want to come out "Swinging Both Fists".

e-liquids will be Taxed. So that levels they lost State/Federal thing. Make Regs Overly Oppressive and that just Promotes More Gray and Black Markets. Which leads to More Uncontrolled e-liquids being inhaled. Which moves the FDA farther from their Goal of Regulating what Ever Vaper Inhales.

There is also the Concept, that is Many Times overshadowed in all this, that e-Cigarette ARE Viable HRT. And there are Many in Public Health who agree that e-Cigarettes are the Only Thing since the 1st Cave Man rolled up tobacco and smoked it that has this kinda of Cessation Rate.

The Make up of the Senate has Also Changed since the FSTPA was Passed.

So it's kinda a Balance.

yes of course they will tax our cigalikes with the pre-filled taper proof
carto's. they are going to tax the snot out of them.

regards
mike

 

[zoiDman]

but there is no distinction for zero nicotine and no distinction for juice
not labeled as e-juice. the singular ingredients in e-juice when mixed
together has only one purpose. that's for use as e-juice.
they will regulate items intended to be used whole or in part for use
in an e-cigarette.
i can't see them leaving such a hole un-patched.someone with
high school shop knowledge would make a killing selling PV's.
e-juice is so incredibly easy and safe to make its insane.
remember its not just BG. there's BP and,BT whose playing on
both sides of the fence. we have been left out of the picture
and or marginalized to be of no account in this mater.

regards
mike

There isn't a "Hole". It comes down to Does the FDA have Any Legal Authority given to it by Passed Laws by Congress to Regulate a Product that is Not Deemed a Tobacco Product and is Not Sold as a e-Cigarette. And the Answer is NO. They Don't.

Can the FDA Regulate this Product as it is Marketed using Deeming under the FSTPA?

NO. They Can't.

 

[zoiDman]

yes of course they will tax our cigalikes with the pre-filled taper proof
carto's. they are going to tax the snot out of them.

regards
mike

Closed System Cartridges should be what ALL Vapers Fear and should be Worried about.

And makes an 800 Post thread about Cartoon on Label seem Insignificant in comparison.

 

[AndriaD]

Closed System Cartridges should be what ALL Vapers Fear and should be Worried about.

And makes an 800 Post thread about Cartoon on Label seem Insignificant in comparison.

Precisely why I have rebuildables, and a freezer full of nicotine.

Andria

 

[zoiDman]

Precisely why I have rebuildables, and a freezer full of nicotine.

Andria

I know I do.

I just want the Next Generation of People who are Trying to get Off Cigarettes to have a Fighting Chance. And to have the Improvement in their Health that I have had in Mine.

None of this Effects me Directly.

 

[bluecat]

Does the FDA, at this point, have the Authority to write Any Regulation they want?

The President seems to think so. To hell with the SCOTUS.

No one needs authority anymore. Do it and figure it out later.

 

[AndriaD]

I know I do.

I just want the Next Generation of People who are Trying to get Off Cigarettes to have a Fighting Chance. And to have the Improvement in their Health that I have had in Mine.

None of this Effects me Directly.

So I suppose it doesn't affect you directly either.

Guess this is just as appropriate here as in the other thread...

Andria

 

[bluecat]

The Distinction is 0mg (as long as it is Not Marketed as a e-Liquid) can Not be Legally Defined as a "Tobacco Product" via Deeming.

So the FDA has No Authority to Regulate it using the FSTCA.

VG and food flavoring = cake decorations.

 

[DeAnna2112]

You've used the exact phrase "deadly p o i son o us liquid" (I added spaces 'cuz I don't want to use this phrase!) FIVE TIMES so far in this thread. I think that's what Andria is taking issue with -- this type of repetition is how you can get google to rank a site or page for the phrase. Why would you want to do that?

If it was unintentional, ok, but please stop! But usually when we see this, it IS intentional.

You've used the exact phrase "deadly p o i son o us liquid" (I added spaces 'cuz I don't want to use this phrase!) FIVE TIMES so far in this thread. I think that's what Andria is taking issue with -- this type of repetition is how you can get google to rank a site or page for the phrase. Why would you want to do that?

If it was unintentional, ok, but please stop! But usually when we see this, it IS intentional.

I do not appreciate you trying to dictate what i should and should not say and i also don't appreciate your insinuations and assumptions that i have ill motives or intentions in this thread. I would appreciate it if you would just stop.

You have a issue with me using deadly poisonous liquid then go talk to Andria, she is the one who resurrected my thread and brought that phrase back to the forefront.

.............................Queues in the circus music.....................................​

 

[zoiDman]

VG and food flavoring = cake decorations.

When I first starting doing DIY, I bought my VG from CVS.

A Very Nice Asian Lady cashier told me how well VG works on Dry Skin. And that it has been used for Generations as a Lotion. And also in Soaps.

 

[DeAnna2112]

But the point is... it's NOT deadly poisonous. If a child (or anyone else, probably) drank it... they'd throw up. Copiously. End of problem. It might be deadly to an infant... but an infant is not capable of removing ANY caps, child-proof or otherwise.

If someone left some ejuice out, OPEN, where an infant could get it and drink it... well that is not the fault of the ejuice, that is the fault of the STUPID PARENT, and I will not take responsibility for it, nor the knives they leave out, or the uncovered electrical sockets.

If anyone got hold of my 100mg in the freezer, then ok, we'll allow "deadly poisonous"... but most people don't deal with that concentration.

ETA: PS, it didn't anger me... it made me suspicious of someone deliberately attempting to put those concepts together in people's minds.

Andria

Andria, wow if that is what you believe then okey dokey ....we agree to disagree.

However, i am getting pretty tired of being accused of ill motives and intentions on this thread for absolutely no reason.. I am sure you would not appreciate it if it was being done to you simply because someone disagreed with you on something.

 

[bluecat]

When I first starting doing DIY, I bought my VG from CVS.

A Very Nice Asian Lady cashier told me how well VG works on Dry Skin. And that it has been used for Generations as a Lotion. And also in Soaps.

Aye. Put some VG on your lips it is sweet tasting. It burns my chapped lips though. If I use chapstick, or th elike, I get cold sores. Straight VG works fines. A bottle of that will last me a century.

 

[zoiDman]

So I suppose it doesn't affect you directly either.

Guess this is just as appropriate here as in the other thread...

Andria

Funny thing about your JPG. I can Counter all those Arguments with Published Studies in Recognized Journals.

But that Top One I Can't.

 

[AndriaD]

Andria, wow if that is what you believe then okey dokey ....we agree to disagree.

However, i am getting pretty tired of being accused of ill motives and intentions on this thread for absolutely no reason.. I am sure you would not appreciate it if it was being done to you simply because someone disagreed with you on something.

Well, if you described ejuice as "poisonous," I really wouldn't have an issue. But calling it "deadly poisonous," that's so far over the top (and untrue) that it definitely points to an ulterior motive.

Andria

 

[zoiDman]

The President seems to think so. To hell with the SCOTUS.

No one needs authority anymore. Do it and figure it out later.

I won't turn this Thread to that Topic. But that Doesn't mean that I don't agree with what you Said.

 

[caramel]

Funny thing about your JPG. I can Counter all those Arguments with Published Studies in Recognized Journals.

But that Top One I Can't.

You can't prove it either. Again, do you have any evidence that adolescents looking to smoke, are attracted more by childish graphics than serious looking ones?

 

[AndriaD]

You can't prove it either. Again, do you have any evidence that adolescents looking to smoke, are attracted more by childish graphics than serious looking ones?

When I was a kid, I was looking for the more grown-up stuff, personally. When I was 17, I didn't want any "annie green springs" hooch, I wanted the Tanqueray! Because it made me SOOOOOO much more grownup to drink something that tasted like a christmas tree, than something that tasted like kool-aid!

Andria

 

[acidvap]

I agree I think we should boycott those that put inappropriate labels on their juices and make them wise up

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[DC2]

Yeah... And people who are Alienating Moderate Senators by their All or Nothing, Fight Everything Attitude, are doing the same to My Stomach.

The above is only correct if...

When someone lies to my face I don't just say, that's a lie that others might believe so I better go along with it, I call them a liar, loud enough for others to hear.

I think that 90% or more of the non-vaping public doesn't care one way or the other. I think we can directly effect that number by continuing to spread our stories. If every non-vaper/non-smoker knew someone who used vaping to quit or drastically reduce their smoking, and they knew that the government was using lies and misrepresentation of facts in order to squash vaping, we might garner more support.

We can not accomplish the above.

And that is why we have to fight to change public opinion.
AND find a way to actually be heard.

And since we probably aren't going to win that fight, I like many of zoidMan's posts.
But I hate myself for doing it.

I've been fighting for over four years to encourage vapers to get involved and fight.
And in the process I have become somewhat disillusioned.

And if we can't change the public opinion, we WILL lose.
It's just a matter of how much we will lose.

Vapers just aren't getting involved enough in this fight as far as I can tell.
But we do continue to make progress nonetheless.

This whole thing is one big cluster.

 

[acidvap]

Don't deprive yourself of something you may really enjoy because of public views you may or may not agree with, buy it, put it in a plastic bottle and label it however you like. Mr. Cookie is quite good, I've got a friend who goes through a bottle of it a week and I must admit that until I read this thread I never once perceived the art work on the bottle to be marketed towards minors in any way.

YOUR perception is what matters here, don't let the public perception run yours over.

I don't think any of it is marketed to kids but when they put labels like that on to bottles who are they really trying to get the attention of

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