Done with clones!
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You've got it a little backwards.
SvoMesto is the original designer and maker of the Kayfun. The Russian is a clone of Svo's Kayfun (no, it was NOT designed by anyone at Svomesto, it is a clone)
Anything other than a true SvoMesto Kayfun is a clone/counterfeit.
The Russian while it is a clone took a life of it's own when it added the AFC to the side. SvoMesto copied that idea and created the KFL+
I have 2 authentic KFL+'s and had a Russian 91%. I agree, the quality of the true KFL is better than the Russian. So now my boss got a free Russian
As for the rest of the thread. I'm with the OP 110%. Nuff said by me.
Junk is junk! There is just as much OEM junk out there as there is clone junk.
I have about a dozen mechanical mods, only two out of the bunch didn't need SOMETHING changed/fixed. One was my Reo (OEM), and the other was my Caravela (clone).
Also just because something works the way the manufacturer wants it to work doesn't mean that it will work the way the end user wants it to.
I have about a dozen mechanical mods, only two out of the bunch didn't need SOMETHING changed/fixed. One was my Reo (OEM), and the other was my Caravela (clone).
Also just because something works the way the manufacturer wants it to work doesn't mean that it will work the way the end user wants it to.
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I'm completely happy with my clones. Nzonic, Electric Angel, 2 - kayfun lite +'s, and most recently an Aqua... all by EHPro and I love them. A buddy of mine has an authentic Electric Angel and I believe my EHPro clone is just as good if not better. I have nothing to compare the Nzonic to but I really like the way it performs.
My husband loves fixing/modifying my clones when needed, he's a machinist and really enjoys it. Some clones are great, some not so great. For trying new things, I'd rather spend a little on a clone than a lot on an authentic just to test out.
Same here, in fact the most expensive mod I own is a $30 Electric Angel clone and it worked awsome for about 6 months until the plating wore off, I just can't justify spending $200+ on an ecig when I can be buying things for my daughter or saving money for bills. I will stick with my shoddy clones because they keep me off the smokes and thats what it all really comes down to. best of luck to the OP
there are clones and there are POS... the HCigar 3.1 I own is incredible...well made, solid, seams on the joints are nearly invisible, threads are smooth and crunch free.... but I also own a Tobeco R91 which is sitting in the Vape Morgue box....
Nothing wrong with clones per se, just like the e-cig in general, they will continue to evolve and improve. That being said, most of my issues with clones are the toppers (atties). But some are good and some are bad, just like legit stuff. Some clones improve on the originals. Using glass instead of plastic tanks is one example. If ya gonna charge $150-200 why can't a person get glass/pyrex?
i don't have a mod collection like some ppl but anything i buy from now on will be a clone
i refuse to pay $150-$200 on a piece of tubing that screws in an out at both ends...i paid out of pocket over $100 for one mod and will never do it again because i've had clones that worked much better
however i might reconsider my stance if companies or ppl start putting out good mods at reasonable prices ie: the legacy...the only other one i'd buy that isn't a clone i don't think is the mini e-cig
but i'm the wrong person to ask, at this point i'm cheap, my liquid is mtbaker because i like it but also because it's cheap, the rba's get used like twice a week so i'm not about to drop $100 on that
i refuse to pay $150-$200 on a piece of tubing that screws in an out at both ends...i paid out of pocket over $100 for one mod and will never do it again because i've had clones that worked much better
however i might reconsider my stance if companies or ppl start putting out good mods at reasonable prices ie: the legacy...the only other one i'd buy that isn't a clone i don't think is the mini e-cig
but i'm the wrong person to ask, at this point i'm cheap, my liquid is mtbaker because i like it but also because it's cheap, the rba's get used like twice a week so i'm not about to drop $100 on that
My thoughts too. To me it is a metal tube that houses a battery. If you look at the major ones, that is all it is. I refuse to believe a tube made out the same metal from two different companies would have a 10 to 20x better result *based on price. The only original I would ever think of spending cash on is an Otto Carver.
If you really want to go cheap on liquid mix it yourself. It is easy to do as long as you don;t have to every measurement down to the nanometer.
haha i'm cheap but i also don't trust myself enough to make juice properly or really have the time either, blah
kind of why i don't get crazy with builds on rba's, i just don't have time
my fathers happy i quit smoking and vape now, but he's not sold on doing that either, if he was i'm sure with his backround he could make me a mod no problem haha just metal tubes and threads
AH i want a KFL+ sooo bad but alas i am still a major noob and should probably just stick to my standard tank. lol
Clones, clones of clones. The harder the squeeze, the lower the quality.
If you spend enough time surfing around you might get to the bottom of the pond.
Nameless sweatshops, where B- or oven C-grade output gets cobbled together,
squeezing the last fraction of a cent out of the price. And there's buyers.
If it looks like a duck, it gets bought and sold, pretending to the unwary that it really is a duck....
Chat up some other customers of that B&M when the staff/owner is out of earshot.
Find out if you hit a real bad streak. Or if other buyers have the same issues.
If the latter, said B&M might be a candidate for your personal blacklist.
Then they won't be around for long anyway. Tweaking the profit margin too hard at the expense of *some* level of quality usually backfires: staff that's busy handling rejects and complaints isn't selling anything.
If you spend enough time surfing around you might get to the bottom of the pond.
Nameless sweatshops, where B- or oven C-grade output gets cobbled together,
squeezing the last fraction of a cent out of the price. And there's buyers.
If it looks like a duck, it gets bought and sold, pretending to the unwary that it really is a duck....
Chat up some other customers of that B&M when the staff/owner is out of earshot.
Find out if you hit a real bad streak. Or if other buyers have the same issues.
If the latter, said B&M might be a candidate for your personal blacklist.
Then they won't be around for long anyway. Tweaking the profit margin too hard at the expense of *some* level of quality usually backfires: staff that's busy handling rejects and complaints isn't selling anything.
You can improve a clones quality on sites like the below
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I gave up paying for name brands about 40 years ago when I realized I was paying for a name not a purchase.
I recently purchased a Kayfun Lite+, Ehpro clone. It's perfect. The fit and finish are immaculate. My buddy has an original. I can't tell them apart, actually, mine might be a little better! But that may not be the case in all situations.
I use 1 clone setup (Stingray/Stillare), 1 combo (hcigar Kayfun 3.1/ProVari), and 1 authentic (Valkyrie). Haven't had a problem with any of them. I think it's a toss of the dice using clones, but like others have said, having a good B&M to help with issues is priceless.
is this the v2? do you have made in Germany stamped on the bottom? how is the airflow? do you have a Russian 91 to compare it to?
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