Don't get all the hype of subs vs. standards

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Stinkytofus

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Morning all,

I don't post much but I just had to ask this. Why is sub ohm so popular these days? Most tanks and even mods are now built with that in mind. I just bought my first sub tank and after hitting on that for a day, I just don't get it. More clouds, sure. But so what. When I vape most of the time I'm trying to be discreet about it anyway. Doesn't produce anymore flavor than my standard setup and I go through less juice with standard. Where's the advantage?

Don't mean to spill anyone's Cheerios here, I'm just sincerely wondering.


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Flavor and clouds from my old aspire naut was like 7/10 and 5/10

Flavor and clouds from my rda is like
9/10 and 10/10

Flavor and clouds from my rta is like 8.5/10 and 9/10

There is difference, flavor improves ,clouds greatly improved, we can diy now, mods more powerful now, more choices in good tanks, why use old gear when new gear performs better, the only downside is charge a little more often
 

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While I can say with confidence that I will never sub (unless someone is willing to provide me a set of actual functioning lungs) I'm very appreciative of those who do. If long term negative effects from vaping ever do show up I should think the subbers should be the first to know.

PS. If you perceive negativity in this post you're reading it wrong.
 

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Oh I dunno, I get plenty of throat hit.

And luxurious mouth and lung filling texture that satisfies like nothing else.

Even if I hold my inhale and exhale nothing visible in a public restroom.

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Then again, if my memory serves me, you use enough nic to throat hit a giraffe ;) :)

I'm more of a shallow inhale/medium volume ~50/50 kind of guy. If I up my VG content from my usual 50-60%, I have to increase power/ cloud volume considerably to replicate the same feel.

Certainly nothing wrong with either way. I just think that for some it may be more beneficial to experiment with different PG/VG ratios for throat hit. Particularly if one is happy with the cloud size of lower power vaping but desires more throat hit. For such a vaper, increasing VG content may be counterproductive.

Just adding my 2 cents. Not saying my way of doing things is The One Way. :)
 

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Then again, if my memory serves me, you use enough nic to throat hit a giraffe ;) :)

I'm more of a shallow inhale/medium volume ~50/50 kind of guy. If I up my VG content from my usual 50-60%, I have to increase power/ cloud volume considerably to replicate the same feel.

Certainly nothing wrong with either way. I just think that for some it may be more beneficial to experiment with different PG/VG ratios for throat hit. Particularly if one is happy with the cloud size of lower power vaping but desires more throat hit. For such a vaper, increasing VG content may be counterproductive.

Just adding my 2 cents. Not saying my way of doing things is The One Way. :)
Exactly!

Experiment.

Do what works for you.

That's what it's all about.

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For me I can't mouth to lung anymore, I have tried, I just can't seem to do it, it's pretty weird. Smoking is a distant memory, now I love a nice airy lung hit with a slightly warm vapor and plenty of flavor, sub ohm tanks give me what I want, the vapor production just comes with the territory...
Happened to me too. Started with a couple of Natulis Mini's. Bought a STM, a few months into vaping and put it away because I wasn't at that point yet. 6 months later I took the STM out and tried it again, and there was no looking back. During the time of in between the two devices I had dropped from 15 mg to 4 mg of nicotine with the nautilus. Started using the STM with nic at 2mg and that's where I'm at today. I use VG with distilled water, no PG. Throat hit is not something I care for anymore. I have more flavor taste with the STM than I did with the nautilus. I build my own coils now and they range anywhere from .7 - 1.2 ohms. I run two tanks, one with a lower ohm and one with the higher ohm coil. I tried using the nautilus a couple of weeks ago, and it just didn't work for me anymore. The flavor wasn't the same...seemed week and it actually made me cough trying to take MTL hits. This weekend is my 1 year anniversary off the stinkies!
 
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I've been doing straight lung hits (on my Evods) for going on 2 months now. 90v/10p and I'm paying the price. Very heavy lung feel, short of breath and full of mucus. Just now hitting my first 70p/30v mix in my mini dripper. Believe me, I'm having NO problem at all learning to MTL again!
 
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If your MTL is broken try restricting the air flow more. You'll see it's not broken.

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Can't speak for the others, but I've tried... repeatedly.

I can't get past the first or second draw to the mouth before my throat opens up and it's all straight to lung from there on out. :(

Honestly... it's more than just locking down the airflow. For me.
It's not actually "broken"... just "sprained". Rehabilitation required. :p
 
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... If long term negative effects from vaping ever do show up I should think the subbers should be the first to know.

PS. If you perceive negativity in this post you're reading it wrong.

Agree.

We drop the "nasties" as they're identified.
But we really have no idea of the effect of a couple decades inhaling 20 or more mls of VG a day.
 
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Smoother vape from higher VG liquids, good flavour and clouds / hit enough to blast away any potential cig craving.

I enjoy a nauti mini too. Having a fantastic vape right now, Space Jam 'Eclipse' at 12W straight off the top of the tank without the drip tip on.

I'd get bored of it all the time, same as I get bored of sub ohming. It's good to have options. Some people never go further than an ego an evod / clearo. Each to their own.

As someone else here said

Vape what you like and like what you vape!
 

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Just goes to show, everyone is different. I say, whatever works for you personally, is the best solution.

As for me, well, I'm kind of a tweener I guess. My sweet spot is the 1.0-1.2ohm range, at about 20w, with no more than a 50/50 blend, and primarily MTL. And those settings hold true for me, almost regardless of the liquid. I do occasionally fire up a subtank and chuck a few clouds directly from the lungs, but only to play. Vaping that way all the time, or even most of the time, just doesn't work for me. Doesn't mean it won't for anyone else.
 
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I sub ohm at my desk (at home, not at work!), nice open lung hits, lovely clouds, nice flavour, sure it drains my juice but I DIY so not a huge issue.
I MTL in the car / if I'm in bed reading or in a place where ostentatious clouds would not be appreciated.
I do drip as well but mostly when flavour testing.
I guess it's since sub ohming has become more prevalent, manufacturers market towards what people buy, the numbers don't lie :)

In a backhanded way, I have to thank the sub-ohm trend for allowing me to purchase the 1.5 ohm, MTL, low-watt gear I like at clearance sale prices lately. I've been at 1.4 ohms, 10 - 11 watts for 2 years now, I don't see that changing in the future.
 

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Having just started the vape gig this year, I started out MTL and still do sometimes. But effortless DL is what I'm currently most comfortable with. Sub ohm as well as more open coils at 1-1.2 ohms are working for me. The thing is, while I DL, I tootle it. Have to take it easy when sub ohm DLing 12-24 mg/mL nic (depending on the mood or time of day). No clouds here bro
 
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    I've always smoked (or vaped) direct to lung - just inhale.

    One of my favorite 'retro' setups is a STM outfitted with TC wire mounted on one of my old VV mods. I have three of them setup this way. 1.3ohm coils cold and 2-3ohm coils hot. However it requires a long pull/draw/toke to fill the lungs up. (much like smoking hemp)

    Or I can just use a single or dual TFV4 built with subohm coils where I just inhale like regular breathing and fill my lungs.

    The old VV mods top out at ~12W and the ones I use the subohm coils on are anywhere from 25-40W.
     

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    DTL'ing a 1.3 at 33w at the moment. I don't get hung up on numbers for a couple reasons.
    1) I am using a regulated box
    2) I don't shoot for any target resistance reading ever.

    I wrap a coil that works best with the RTA that I'm using according to chamber size and wicking needs. These also correlate to me wanting a coil to heat up with a quicker ramp time while still having a great surface area. The number doesn't matter to me much, as long as it's within the determined resistance level of my boxes.
     
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    Happened to me too. Started with a couple of Natulis Mini's. Bought a STM, a few months into vaping and put it away because I wasn't at that point yet. 6 months later I took the STM out and tried it again, and there was no looking back. During the time of in between the two devices I had dropped from 15 mg to 4 mg of nicotine with the nautilus. Started using the STM with nic at 2mg and that's where I'm at today. I use VG with distilled water, no PG. Throat hit is not something I care for anymore. I have more flavor taste with the STM than I did with the nautilus. I build my own coils now and they range anywhere from .7 - 1.2 ohms. I run two tanks, one with a lower ohm and one with the higher ohm coil. I tried using the nautilus a couple of weeks ago, and it just didn't work for me anymore. The flavor wasn't the same...seemed week and it actually made me cough trying to take MTL hits. This weekend is my 1 year anniversary off the stinkies!

    Congrats on your upcoming vapaversery!
     
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    The market follows the demand of the crowd. Most of that crowd likes sub ohming because of the fancy clouds. I'm not saying that it's wrong or right. I'm just stating again, there is no regular atomizer that won't be able to satisfy your nicotine craving and give you a decent amount of vape and in the most cases better flavor then any Subtank. Most people starts off with way too low levels of nicotine to meet their body needs and that's the reason why so many people takes subohm tanks open handed. ATM i'm having a hard times to find 18mg juices in Canada, and 24's i can easily forget. I have turned couple dozens of smokers to vape, and none of them ever wanted a cigarette or had any cravings, simply because i set them up with adequate level of nicotine. When they would come in the shop to buy some 24mg juice, sellers would asked them do they want to poison them selves and similar silly questions. I told them to ask those sellers how much juice they spend a day and then tell them how much my guys are consuming. I believe that the less you vape, lesser are the chances to get intoxicated with unknown ingredients from flavors. Juice is no threat to us, but flavors are still uncharted part of vaping galaxy, and untill they don't get researched enough, i don't have any logic reason to believe that running trough 10-15ml of juice daily is the same like running trough 3-5ml.
    Someone said something about being able to vape some flavors on sub ohm, which he would never thought of giving a try on regular MTL vape, and i agree, that's why i bolded "in most cases" on top of my post. That's the thing with flavors, each one of them responds in a different way on a different temperature. That's the very reason why i don't think it's safe to go on high power... I may be wrong of course, maybe my whole logic is wrong, but form personal experience, which i won't try to explain because someone will come on me, but i just feel better when i use some regular MTL tank.
     
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    I finally made the move to sub-ohm yesterday morning after a few years, thanks to an early b-day present.

    I am kicking myself for not doing so earlier. Now granted I know not everyone's experience is the same, but for me... no going back (given the right juice of course). More flavor, I get the nic hit better, more clouds (though granted depending on where I am that isn't always better).

    Honestly the way I'm leaning... get a mod that is meant for sub-ohm. That way you can do sub/normal coils, whatever you want. That way you can maximize the flavour of your juice because of ratios.
     
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