Incorrect, it is in plants to discourage them from eating the plant, not to kill the insect.
Don't let anyone tell you that nicotine is a poison...
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Incorrect, it is in plants to discourage them from eating the plant, not to kill the insect.
Please replace the word nicotine with the word caffeine in your post, and start calling caffeine a poison as well.
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Yes to discourage them because they will die if they eat it...
See post #94 and supply the LD50 cutoff value that separates poisons from drugs.
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I don't know what it is but I know that Cyanide is classified as poison and nicotine is more potent per MG, also all the other reasons I already said. Also strychnine is lower LD50 per MG.
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See post #94 and supply the LD50 cutoff value that separates poisons from drugs.
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Did you hear me say nicotine isn't a drug?
Did you ever hear the expression "poisonous drug", or of the phenomenon "drug poisoning"?
I am not disputing it is toxic. Yet somehow you have become unhinged and are comparing those that dare to disagree with you to children. Have a nice vape and settle down. Because it is a psychoactive drug, the nicotine could relax you and help you think clearer.
Will do thanks.
Its not really about agreeing or disagreeing, what I am saying is 100% fact.
No problem, since there isn't one. There are plenty of beneficial pharmaceuticals with LD50 values lower than the current claim for nicotine. Having written that, all the properties of nicotine that you and others have stated here are also true for caffeine.
There are some minor differences in mechanism of action, but they are inconsequential for this discussion.
It isn't merely the LD50 value that defines a substance as a poison.
You can call it a poison if you want, I won't stop you. That doesn't make it so.
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Disingenuous of you generic mutant. A low LD50 value does not in and of itself make a substance a poison.
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True, in the sense that something can be mildly poisonous without being fatal.
What defines something as 'poisonous' in the general sense of the word is if in the concentrations encountered it is toxic.
So caffeine is mildly poisonous, sure. Nicotine is more poisonous, and pure nicotine is highly poisonous.
poison - definition of poison by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Poison - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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poison: definition of poison in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
Again, we seem to be back to the bizarre fascination 'smokers' rights' advocates have with unilaterally redefining things...
You can call a tulip an avocado, it won't become one. Nicotine is a poison.
So, if we apply those definitions to any number of pharmaceuticals that treat or cure disease or ailments, then they are poisons.
Is that your position????
I sure hope you don't get a bacterial infection, and need those poisonous antibiotics!!!!
You seem to be confusing the term "poison" with the technical term "toxic". Things (drugs) can have varying degrees of toxicity, yet still are extremely beneficial. These same things (pharmaceuticals) are not considered "poisons".
This isn't about smokers rights, or vapers rights. It's about science.
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Is that your position????
I sure hope you don't get a bacterial infection, and need those poisonous antibiotics!!!!
You seem to be confusing the term "poison" with the technical term "toxic". Things (drugs) can have varying degrees of toxicity, yet still are extremely beneficial. These same things (pharmaceuticals) are not considered "poisons".
This isn't about smokers rights, or vapers rights. It's about science.
Thanks!
Erm, yes. Many pharmaceuticals are rightly considered poisonous.
If taken in the wrong doses, particularly, but also if taken in the right doses. Chemotherapy drugs or primitive antiretrovirals are highly poisonous. Antibiotics are poisons that happen to be more poisonous to pathogens than their hosts.
If taken in the wrong doses, particularly, but also if taken in the right doses. Chemotherapy drugs or primitive antiretrovirals are highly poisonous. Antibiotics are poisons that happen to be more poisonous to pathogens than their hosts.
Irrelevant of LD50 or potency, as I already said, nicotine is a poison because that is its purpose before it is extracted from the plant, it is used by humans as in low doses it has pleasurable effects. Caffeine is the same as this although less toxic, many drugs are toxic at high doses, nicotine is a poison which is pleasurable to humans at low doses, lethal at high doses. Most drugs are synthesized to be used by humans, most drugs are toxic at high doses, nicotine is not a synthesized drug, it is extracted from a plant where it is originally a poison. Most drugs are synthesized to be used by humans and may or may not be toxic at high doses, nicotine is a poison made by a plant which happens to have pleasurable effects at low doses.
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Really? Wow!!!! Let's get the word out and start calling penicillin a poison. Just don't take too much!
Again gm, you are confusion a non-specific term (poison), with a scientifically technical term "toxic" A poison (by your own quoted definitions), does not describe the amount required for toxicity. As other posters have explained, almost everything is toxic at high enough levels. That's why we don't call caffeine a poison, we refer to its "level of toxicity".
Agreed?
I'm sorry Nirk, but the source of a material is irrelevant. A given chemical entity has a "level of toxicity", and that level is decribed as mass of chemical divided by the mass of the subject. Usually describes as milligrams per kilogram or mg/kg.
I think your confusion stems from how people use any given chemical. If we use it specifically to kill, we call it a poison. is it your position that people who use nicotine are using it to kill?
Is that directed at me? I couldn't tell, since you posted on an open board without addressing your intended recipient.
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