Don't let anyone tell you that nicotine is a poison...

[generic mutant]

...Meanwhile,,,back on planet Earth, Vapers are never likely to encounter anything higher than 100mg/mil, 90% of vapers will never encounter anything above 24mg/mil.

That would be a valid point outside a thread boldly claiming that nicotine isn't a poison.

"Uranium isn't radioactive!"

"Yes it is, that's just stupid."

"What I meant is the minute quantities of uranium contaminating our diet don't appreciably contribute to background radiation."

"Well, that isn't what you said..."

 

[DC2]

Its called science....

Not everything is a poison, nor is water, water is not actually toxic.

I'm not going to get into a debate about the meaning of the word toxic, so I'll just quote Wikipedia...
Water intoxication - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Water is considered the least toxic chemical compound, with a LD50 of 90 g/kg or more in rats.

We all know Wikipedia is an authoritative source.
And it's even on the internet!


Regardless, if you don't get the point of this thread, that's fine.

 

[DC2]

The very title of your thread

Don't let anyone tell you that nicotine is a poison...

Implies in sensationalist terms that it is not toxic .. a neophyte to the PV lifestyle would be easily confused when all other indicators say it is toxic .. dosage disclaimer does not amend the title .. and should this topic not be posted in the DIY section where a lengthy discourse of caution is clearly displayed .. ??

Okay, you have a valid point there. Maybe I should have chosen a different title.

 

[DC2]

Moderators, if you wish to re-title this thread, I won't be a crybaby about it.

 

[Nirk]

I'm not going to get into a debate about the meaning of the word toxic, so I'll just quote Wikipedia...
Water intoxication - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



We all know Wikipedia is an authoritative source.
And it's even on the internet!


Regardless, if you don't get the point of this thread, that's fine.

No I do understand your point, its just saying that "nicotine is not a poison" is incorrect, there is no discussion about it. Nicotine is a poison. Yes if you drink insane amounts of water it can kill you, but it is not a toxic poison. Being someone who consumes nicotine I would prefer it was not a poison, but I am not going to kid myself into thinking it isn't toxic by using water poisoning as an example.

 

[Nirk]

...Meanwhile,,,back on planet Earth, Vapers are never likely to encounter anything higher than 100mg/mil, 90% of vapers will never encounter anything above 24mg/mil.

100mg/ml is pretty dangerous though. I am not trying to be argumentative or anything, just stating facts.

 

[EddardinWinter]

No I do understand your point, its just saying that "nicotine is not a poison" is incorrect, there is no discussion about it. Nicotine is a poison. Yes if you drink insane amounts of water it can kill you, but it is not a toxic poison. Being someone who consumes nicotine I would prefer it was not a poison, but I am not going to kid myself into thinking it isn't toxic by using water poisoning as an example.

Nicotine is a drug. It is used to treat ulcerative colitis, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and some forms of epilepsy. In my case, it is a very effective treatment for ADHD. So in my mind, it is clearly a drug.

This constitutes a discussion.

 

[Orb Skewer]

Homework Y'all, pay attention at the back there !

The positive effects of nicotine - Nicotine Science and Policy

 

[Nirk]

Nicotine is a drug. It is used to treat ulcerative colitis, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and some forms of epilepsy. In my case, it is a very effective treatment for ADHD. So in my mind, it is clearly a drug.

This constitutes a discussion.

Yes it is a drug, it is also a poison. I am not posting anymore this is tedious, you are trying to argue with scientific fact.

 

[bluecat]

And it's even on the internet!

Brings back smiles. As we were eating dinner my daughter said something and I said that's not true sweetie, she was 9 at the time. She looked at me with a very stern face and said "uh huh daddy.. It is on the internet!".

I laughed for a half an hour... I think she got my point.

 

[pcrdude]

I think what is bothering some people in this thread is the term "poison". For the sake of argument, substitute "caffeine" for nicotine and the arguments on both sides remain.

Basically, it is a semantics argument. Unless you want to make a point about ingesting a poison....

Then it gets a little trickier.....

 

[EddardinWinter]

Yes it is a drug, it is also a poison. I am not posting anymore this is tedious, you are trying to argue with scientific fact.

I am not even trying to argue with you, let alone a scientific fact.

I am pointing out that it is clearly a drug. Classifying nicotine simply as a poison is misleading in my opinion. If that constitutes an 'argument' in your book, fine, don't argue with me.

 

[Nirk]

I am not even trying to argue with you, let alone a scientific fact.

I am pointing out that it is clearly a drug. Classifying nicotine simply as a poison is misleading in my opinion. If that constitutes an 'argument' in your book, fine, don't argue with me.

I am not classifying anything.... it IS SCIENTIFICALLY CLASSIFIED AS A POISON, in the same way that strychnine and cyanide are.... On a potency per MG basis, LD50, toxicity etc. it is scientifically classified as a poison, there are no "arguements" about it.

 

[pcrdude]

I am not classifying anything.... it IS SCIENTIFICALLY CLASSIFIED AS A POISON, in the same way that strychnine and cyanide are.... On a potency per MG basis, LD50, toxicity etc. it is scientifically classified as a poison, there is no "arguements" about it.

Please (for the sake of argument), post the cuttoff where some chemicals with LD50 values below are poisons, and those above it are not.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Orb Skewer]

Stop SHOUTING !!

 

[Nirk]

Stop SHOUTING !!

Emphasizing not shouting.

 

[Nirk]

The reason nicotine is a poison is because a) it is very toxic in pure form b) because it is a pesticide c) because the reason plants make nicotine is to kill insects. It is a poison, the same way that snakes make poison to kill, plants make nicotine to stop them being eaten by insects.

It is a drug yes because it has psychoactive effects.

It is also a poison.

 

[pcrdude]

Hey Nirk, I found an article you may like. Please point out where (in the article), they refer to nicotine as a poison.

Thanks in advance.

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/296/2/486.long

 

[EddardinWinter]

I am not classifying anything.... it IS SCIENTIFICALLY CLASSIFIED AS A POISON, in the same way that strychnine and cyanide are.... On a potency per MG basis, LD50, toxicity etc. it is scientifically classified as a poison, there are no "arguements" about it.

Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nicotine is a potent parasympathomimetic alkaloid found in the nightshade family of plants (Solanaceae) and a stimulant drug. It is a nicotinic acetylcholine receptor agonist. It is made in the roots and accumulates in the leaves of the plants. It constitutes approximately 0.6–3.0% of the dry weight of tobacco[1] and is present in the range of 2–7 µg/kg of various edible plants.[2] It functions as an antiherbivore chemical; consequently, nicotine was widely used as an insecticide in the past[3][4] and nicotine analogs such as imidacloprid are currently widely used.

Go and SHOUT at Wiki. They don't understand it as well as you do, apparently. I don't understand why you are freaking out as a result of my correct assertion that Nicotine is a drug.

 

[generic mutant]

Please (for the sake of argument), post the cuttoff where some chemicals with LD50 values below are poisons, and those above it are not.

Thanks in advance.

*If* the LD-50 is around 13 mg/kg, that puts it in the same league as arsenic trioxide, metallic arsenic and sodium cyanide, at least in rats.

Which you can argue aren't poisons if you like...