Dr. Seigel Article - Chantix v. e-Cig

[Vocalek]

Depite Suicides/Attempts, FDA Favors Chantix over E-Cig. WHY

Despite 98 Suicides and 188 Suicide Attempts, FDA Favors Chantix Over Electronic Cigarettes

tobacco Control Expert Dr. Michael Siegel Calls for a Scientific, Not Ideological or Political Response to the Electronic Cigarette Issue

 

[olderthandirt]

Just read this vocalek, stuff like this keeps coming out maybe folks will start listening. Good catch!

 

[dragonpuff]

This is new:

Quote: According to the JAMA article: "Although varenicline’s label had already indicated potential psychiatric risks, the agency has continued to receive reports of attempted and completed suicide in varenicline-treated patients, including some who had no history of psychiatric problems.

It was previously believed that only a certain vulnerable population was at risk; now they're saying that ANYONE who takes this drug might kill themselves! And the FDA still won't pull it from the market!

Way to go FDA Great job protecting us!!!

 

[DC2]

An obvious Digg, which I has done Dugg.

 

[JrdUK]

I dugg it

 

[kinabaloo]

Noted here too: Powerful article contrasting the actions of the FDA regarding the PV and the drug Chantix

This is nail-on-the-head stuff.

 

[AngusATAT]

"Can you dig it?"

Apparently... yes. Yes, I can.

 

[SudokuGal]

Thanks for posting. I dugg it.

 

[catlvr]

Just dugg it!! Great article!

 

[nojoyet]

Thanks and dugg

 

[wv2win]

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[Vocalek]

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[yanorox]

Great article. Dugg and rated!

Thanks,

 

[AngusATAT]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... why can't we have people in our government agencies with the level of common sense that Dr. Siegel has?

 

[wv2win]

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[PatrickGliem]

Thanks for the post. That is so crazy. You'd think they'd see what they're doing.

 

[kinabaloo]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... why can't we have people in our government agencies with the level of common sense that Dr. Siegel has?

We need to take the politics out of politics. It needs to be more pragmatic.

As it stands, the people who get to be politicians are by and large the ones who should not be doing it. The shole system is basically a select club of vested interests (a la famous(?) farewell address warning some 50 years ago, only worse still now; all the revolving doors, big money lobbyist power, ...).

While the hypocrisy is stark re Chantix, and the 100 deaths deplorable (though nothing unusual for prescription drugs), don't forget that without an effective safer alternative being allowed (and that's all we ask), at least 25% of the 45 million smokers - so 10 million or so - will be effectively condemned to an early and terrible death. What kind of 'logic' can fly in the face of this reality??

 

[sherid]

We need to take the politics out of politics.

It needs to be more pragmatic, like in China these days.

As it stands, the people who get to be politicians are by and large the ones who should not be doing it. The shole system is basically a select club of vested interests (a la famous(?) farewell address warning some 50 years ago, only worse still now; all the revolving doors, big money lobbyist power, ...).

While the hypocrisy is stark re Chantix, and the 100 deaths deplorable (though nothing unusual for prescription drugs), don't forget that without an effective safer alternative being allowed (and that's all we ask), at least 25% of the 45 million smokers - so 10 million or so - will be effectively condemned to an early and terrible death. What kind of 'logic' can fly in the face of this reality??

Interesting take. I do not know many people who die easily whether they are smokers or not. All of the people in my family who died of cancer died horrible deaths, and they were all non-smokers. What is an "early" death anyway? Is it 60 or 70 or 80 because I see people dying all of the time at what could be called an early death. Death happens when one's time runs out....period. The difference between dying of illness and dying of suicide, however, is huge for the survivors. While one can always point a finger at the smoker who "caused" his own death and blame smoking for taking the loved one's life, it is next to impossible to ever understand why someone would inexplicably take his own life. The survivors of a suicide victim have a lifetime of guilt and searching for answers. For the survivors, I believe suicide is the most agonizing of all deaths. A pill that causes one to suddenly shoot himself or stab himself to death (both have happened with Chantix) is a despicable piece of trash that needs to first be taken from the market and then through class action lawsuits wipe out the company that made it, the doctors who continue to prescribe it, and the media that promotes it. Death from cigarettes takes many decades. Death from Chantix takes a couple of seconds. BIG DIFFERENCE

 

[kinabaloo]

Interesting take. I do not know many people who die easily whether they are smokers or not. All of the people in my family who died of cancer died horrible deaths, and they were all non-smokers. What is an "early" death anyway? Is it 60 or 70 or 80 because I see people dying all of the time at what could be called an early death. Death happens when one's time runs out....period. The difference between dying of illness and dying of suicide, however, is huge for the survivors. While one can always point a finger at the smoker who "caused" his own death and blame smoking for taking the loved one's life, it is next to impossible to ever understand why someone would inexplicably take his own life. The survivors of a suicide victim have a lifetime of guilt and searching for answers. For the survivors, I believe suicide is the most agonizing of all deaths. A pill that causes one to suddenly shoot himself or stab himself to death (both have happened with Chantix) is a despicable piece of trash that needs to first be taken from the market and then through class action lawsuits wipe out the company that made it, the doctors who continue to prescribe it, and the media that promotes it. Death from cigarettes takes many decades. Death from Chantix takes a couple of seconds. BIG DIFFERENCE

I don't disagree. But dont overlook the fact that smoking not only causes ealier death (don't know why you want to make that an issue) but also diminished life quality in the meantime - poor health, creating antipathy with loved ones, etc.

I don't get the 'this is worse' thing. It's all terrible - and unecceasry! Debating whether a sudden suicide is better of worse than a slow painful death is completely besdie the point.

ps: according to FDA figures, prescription drugs cause around 100,000 deaths a year in the US.

It's not that there are some bad drugs, the whole drug-based paradigm is deeply flawed.

 

[sherid]

I don't disagree. But dont overlook the fact that smoking not only causes ealier death (don't know why you want to make that an issue) but also diminished life quality in the meantime - poor health, creating antipathy with loved ones, etc.

I don't get the 'this is worse' thing. It's all terrible and unecceasry!

Earlier than what? I could not understand why my father, a non-smoker, died at 64. In fact I don't understand the death of my non-smoking grandmother at 55, my non-smoking friend at 32, and the "early" deaths of virtually everyone I have known and lost...all non-smokers. If smoking guaranteed that I would not live to have Alzheimers as my mother-in-law now has, I would keep smoking rather than vape. As for diminished life, my mom and my mother-in-law are both living that...and they are both lifetime non-smokers.