Dr. Siegel's New Website!

[tromboneking]

c-o-n-f-l-i-c-t o-f i-n-t-e-r-e-s-t

LOL!

I agree, it definitely is a conflict of interest on both parties but then again, if you got more than 2 million in salary and over 10 million in bonuses for a total of almost 16 million including compensation in 2008, you'd want to protect your interest as well.

Martin L. Orlowsky Profile - Forbes.com (not sure how accurate this is but this did show the figures I just mentioned).

 

[Sar]

c-o-n-f-l-i-c-t o-f i-n-t-e-r-e-s-t

LOL!

I agree, it definitely is a conflict of interest on both parties but then again, if you got more than 2 million in salary and over 10 million in bonuses for a total of almost 16 million including compensation in 2008, you'd want to protect your interest as well.

Martin L. Orlowsky Profile - Forbes.com (not sure how accurate this is but this did show the figures I just mentioned).

Hmm, the economy must be good for them! Bailout will probably not be required...

 

[ladyraj]

EDIT: Oh, I forgot to mention that Orlowski has a seat on the tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee working with FDA to consider public health impact claims. The wolf is guarding the sheep. How does one spell conflict of interest?

This "seat" is a non-voting position. So the wolf has been rendered toothless.

 

[Drunkwaco]

Ahh come on moon Everyone knew even back before the 90's that you shouldn't smoke in a small space with your kids locked inside. no one is stupid enough to ever think it was harmless. No child abuse no it is not child abuse cause i've grown up with many friends and family that have suffered child abuse. But to say that everything was ok for you to smoke with you kids near you is a insult to your own IQ. no one should smoke near kids and we all know this. It being called child abuse is just as bad as the people subjecting there kids to 2ndhand smoke. There both wrong and people should just know better.

 

[sherid]

I have challenged Dr. Siegel with this. Dr. Siegel, would you be willing to meet and vape in a public setting? I see that the media doctors in the show called "The Doctors" did so on tv and seemed to feel safe while vaping in front of millions of viewers. So, I ask, would you put yourself out there in a Boston area restaurant/bar and enjoy a vaping session? I will post his reply.

 

[grimmer255]

The "cause" we should all support is harm reduction. Not e-cigs. Harm reduction. That encompasses all the healthier-than-cigarettes alternatives pointed out in the Senate by Sen. Burr. The cause is keeping alternatives to quit-or-die, alternatives to expensive and ineffective NRT products pedaled for profit by Big Pharma, which contributes to the antis in health groups that pressure the FDA. That's the cause.

If we try to protect one egg, the fox is going to steal the entire nest.

I totally agree with this. Because we all know just about any alternative to smoking is better than smoking. I guess keeping our eye on one thing is preventing us from seeing the whole picture. My guess and you might kick my ... for this but why dont we get with some of those extremist groups and work with them in a way that can benefit not only the ecig but also stop all the BS stop smoking pill and gum. that way we can come up with a better ecig that can truly get us all off tobacco.....just a thought..The enemy of my enemy is my friend..... some of those extremist groups do not like the FDA either. We just need to find the right groups that can support the ecig.

 

[Boom!]

I have challenged Dr. Siegel with this. Dr. Siegel, would you be willing to meet and vape in a public setting? I see that the media doctors in the show called "The Doctors" did so on tv and seemed to feel safe while vaping in front of millions of viewers. So, I ask, would you put yourself out there in a Boston area restaurant/bar and enjoy a vaping session? I will post his reply.

Why would he vape? Isn't he an anti-smoking advocate? I never saw anything that said he was a smoker or ex-smoker. Why would he want the nicotine? He's totally against smoking but he "helps" our fight by calling foul whenever inaccuracies are reported.
Maybe I'm getting my experts mixed up now?

 

[Sar]

Why would he vape? Isn't he an anti-smoking advocate? I never saw anything that said he was a smoker or ex-smoker. Why would he want the nicotine? He's totally against smoking but he "helps" our fight by calling foul whenever inaccuracies are reported.
Maybe I'm getting my experts mixed up now?

Boom, I am sure he wouldn't want to vape liquid with nicotine. Without nicotine, the PV is not addictive and should be safe for anyone. Or am I wrong?

 

[Boom!]

Sar,

Some suppliers had disclaimers on their sites (and the FDA tests also found) that 'some' samples marked as "zero nicotine" may still contain a small amount.

side note = small amounts of nicotine can be found naturally in vegetables that are part of the nightshade family of plants (potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, others) anyway.

I don't think I'd hold it against him or anything if he responded with a "no".

 

[sherid]

Why would he vape? Isn't he an anti-smoking advocate? I never saw anything that said he was a smoker or ex-smoker. Why would he want the nicotine? He's totally against smoking but he "helps" our fight by calling foul whenever inaccuracies are reported.
Maybe I'm getting my experts mixed up now?

I don't know. Why would the doctors on the show The Doctors vape? They did, and in so doing created the feeling that they felt safe in doing so. I post regularly on Siegel's blog and feel that I know where he is coming from on this and many issues. Do you post there? He is used to being challenged and responds to his posters. If he thinks it is a bad idea, he will say so, but meanwhile you are free to post your opinion too. As I said, I will post his response when I get it. Have a great day.

 

[sherid]

BTW, I believe there are cartridges with no nicotine, so I don't see the doc getting hooked on PG

 

[Sar]

Sar,

Some suppliers had disclaimers on their sites (and the FDA tests also found) that 'some' samples marked as "zero nicotine" may still contain a small amount.

side note = small amounts of nicotine can be found naturally in vegetables that are part of the nightshade family of plants (potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, others) anyway.

I don't think I'd hold it against him or anything if he responded with a "no".

Oh, I wouldn't hold it against him either. But perhaps he could mix his own PG/VG and flavor to make sure there is no nicotine.

The reason why this appeals to me is because of the "sensational" quality that may grab media attention for a soundbite or two. That is what FDA did when their summary of the report mentioned antifreeze. I am not above publicity stunts if done right. I've seen it work and some organizations with miniscule budgets are often able to get significant media exposure.

 

[Boom!]

I think it would be pretty cool to see a big anti-smoking advocate demonstrating how he isn't afraid of the e-cig.

Unfortunately the e-cig is the 'gun' getting demonized here (Bullets kill people, not Guns...) and of course it is the liquid that may or may not contain harmful substances. The media and FDA don't bother making that distinction now as they proclaim "Ban all ecigs!" but they probably would point out something like "he made his own zero nic liquid". Still, even that could go either way.

 

[sherid]

I think it would be pretty cool to see a big anti-smoking advocate demonstrating how he isn't afraid of the e-cig.

Unfortunately the e-cig is the 'gun' getting demonized here (Bullets kill people, not Guns...) and of course it is the liquid that may or may not contain harmful substances. The media and FDA don't bother making that distinction now as they proclaim "Ban all ecigs!" but they probably would point out something like "he made his own zero nic liquid". Still, even that could go either way.

Here's one, the former Winston man turned anti smoker, Sheri, I'm wiling to vape in a pub,
in a restaurant, in freaking church if I have to. I'll do it on Youtube at the same time. Doing that would be not only fun, but maybe even helpful. When I'm finished, thank the CFTFK, ALF, ALA, ACS, AHA, CDC, WHO, FDA, and Mr. Obama himself for pissing me off. I've joined TICAP and I'm willing to do this as a way to start my new tobacco tour. I still have school programs booked and this may be a great way to launch my protest on behalf of this nonsene.

The majority of posters on this site have a lot to offer in support of their beliefs. All I have to offer is maybe a little media attention to keep this issue in the papers and on the web.
David Goerlitz |