Drippers

[imeothanasis]

I am wondering for some things:

When I first made a video about Ithaka working like an 100 drops dripper, some people said that its not a real dripper because you have to open the reffiling cap to fill it. That was 2-3 months ago.

Now I see "drippers" working the same way. WOW, thats a big discovery

ok, first of all, Ithaka works like a real dripper by dripping from the mouthpiece
Second, Ithaka works like a "dripper" by putting more wick inside its tank and putting 100 drops there
Third, Ithaka works like a "dripper" if you put less liquid inside tank, when you want to taste your juice

Fourth and most important, is that dripper is a dripper and tanks are tanks. So if you put less liquid in a tank or put more wick in the tank, that doesnt make it a dripper.

Name it "dripper" or name it "tank" or name it as you like better, but the fact is that you dont need anything else. Ithaka takes from 6 to 120 drops inside, so the conclusion is that Ithaka can do everything on this field.

Dont get fooled guys and dont spend your money around for "the latest and greatest" because you already have it in your hands. And dont forget that Ithaka can do much more than the above things and much more than any other atomizer in the market

 

[Itshak]

Imeo

All words are carved into the rock!!!
Ithaka is the best by far and give all and more for what I want.
After update there is nothing of interest out there.

The best one can do is to buy enough of it and parts for the coming years.
As I'm typing this,I have 8 full Ithakas on 8 JGG's in my home,
You can say a GG vape bar.

Even for tasting liquid I will use only full Ithaka because I want to dig it for few hours
With no changes in heat or flavor.

As a matter of facts did just that today:
With GLV
Newminster 23 (for the wife)
And English bulldog ( for me )

Both great vapes order 100ml from each

If I don't like the flavor then no harm,I take out the liquid and make new built.
For my like Ithaka combine all there is,and maybe new feature will be able to
Add as well if new technology will be available.

You did nailed it this time,tight and close.

 

[ChrisEU]

I will try this one.

For me, existing tanks, including Ithaka, Ody and Penelope, but also Kayfun, Taifun & Co have a principal design flaw: They cook the liquid reservoir.
Now I think you are using non flavoured juice, Imeo, but I am not. I am using heavily flavoured self mixes and I enjoy them.

When my liquids are used in a tank with a sub ohm coil, they will get heated more than is good for them, especially when chain vaping - after that, they taste different, usually not better, because some of the complex flavor compounds have broken down.

Now drippers don't have that problem, because they are not having a reservoir around the heat source.

I usually don't use drippers as they are meant to be used, though, I use them on bottom feeders - their juice reservoir is seperated into a bottle or tank, away from the coil and heat source, and so I have fresh juice on the coil whenever I need it.

I do have a lot of GG around me, and I admire the quality, but I will only use them with some juices that have proven to be able to withstand the tank heat - or with the unflavored menthol I sometimes use to reset my taste buds.

 

[mitergreen]

Chris , can this not be fixed by adjusting your coil ?

you must be a high amp vapor by the sounds of your post

 

[yankeebobo]

Ok. And here I come to be a Debbie downer.

Chris nailed a very important fact here. And imeo you at one time designed the odysseus and then the v2. But you also took the time to create the ody dripper assembly. Why did you do this? Was it you designing something different or was it people asking for it?

Odysseus is not a dripper and never was. That's why you created the dripper body. The juice gets heated (as Chris mentioned) and the flavor is muted. Why is it muted in the tank? I won't get into all reasons. But the ody DRIPPER allowed more flavor to come through.

Same with ithaka. It's a rebuildable tank....that you HAPPEN to be able to drip into. But just because you CAN drip into it, it doesn't make it a dripper. The flavor is different.

And the same thing with Penelope. It's not a dripper. Never was. It happens to work with the ody dripper upper cone. Why? To not allow the flavors to heat.

The point of dripping is to drop the juice 1, 2, etc drops at a time and vape what's there without heat, air, or any other factors impacting it.

Otherwise I'm sorry, many flavors are muted in the GG atomizer. Does this make it a bad atomizer? No. But for some juices dripping or different attys are the only way I can make the flavor shine.

 

[Jojobo]

I am wondering for some things:

When I first made a video about Ithaka working like an 100 drops dripper, some people said that its not a real dripper because you have to open the reffiling cap to fill it. That was 2-3 months ago.

Now I see "drippers" working the same way. WOW, thats a big discovery

ok, first of all, Ithaka works like a real dripper by dripping from the mouthpiece
Second, Ithaka works like a "dripper" by putting more wick inside its tank and putting 100 drops there
Third, Ithaka works like a "dripper" if you put less liquid inside tank, when you want to taste your juice

Fourth and most important, is that dripper is a dripper and tanks are tanks. So if you put less liquid in a tank or put more wick in the tank, that doesnt make it a dripper.

Name it "dripper" or name it "tank" or name it as you like better, but the fact is that you dont need anything else. Ithaka takes from 6 to 120 drops inside, so the conclusion is that Ithaka can do everything on this field.

Dont get fooled guys and dont spend your money around for "the latest and greatest" because you already have it in your hands. And dont forget that Ithaka can do much more than the above things and much more than any other atomizer in the market

I know you are passionate about inventing. I would never even try to take that away from you. I respect peoples passions!

With your statements above, my questions to you would be:
Do you test many different flavors of juice or do you vape just one kind? tobacco flavor? dessert flavor? creamy flavor? sweet flavor? tart flavor? fruit? They all taste different in different set ups and atties.
Do you test other modders atties or just work with your own? If you test other quality atties, do you compare the various juices with in the other atties with the various juices in the GG atties?
Have you tested "drippers"? Many variety of drippers?
If you test exclusively on controlled subjects, how can you judge. You don't know what you don't know.
If you DO test a vast variety of different subjects, then you know there is a place for many different atties.

I ask these questions because it "appeared" in your statements above that you were insulting all other modders and all people that purchased and enjoyed vaping on other modders products. It would "appear" that you have tested all the different types of atties and used with a large variety of juices. I would hate to think that you intended that to come across that way.

When you come right down to it, an apple is an apple and a melon is a melon. Sometimes you crave an apple and sometimes you crave a melon.
BUT you can't call an apple - a melon...even if they are both fruit.

 

[Aal_]

For me a dripper is/has the following:

1- Direct access to the coil, open the cap and poof here is your coil
2- small in size (more importantly height) which makes flavour shine
3- coil is close to your mouth so you get the flavor and warmth directly off the coil without being altered by passage through bodies/mouthpieces
4- does not contain juice in a reservoir, which makes it cook or come in constant contact with wick and/or coil
5- DEBATABLE, has a side hole but we have seen many dripper with bottom airhole and perform great.


Ody drip mode is a dripper and damn fine one too, that is why it was the only GG atomizer I bought second hand.
I used Ithaka, Penny V1 as drippers, they can surely work, but they cannot cover points 1-2-3, which makes the flavor and warmth diminished compared to a dripper. And this is my curse and many out there. People who like complex flavors and warm vapes have to have a dripper in their arsenal (probably many)

 

[imeothanasis]

I really disagree guys. From what you all just said, Ithaka can have all the options you mention by removing for example the mouthpiece and put a drip tip on its small cap. And we can always make a drip tip that can replace the small cap. It cant be easier than this.

Aal, 1,2,3 are easy to be accessed with Ithaka by removing a sleeve and put a mouthpiece on the small cap.


Thats why I say that Ithaka can do everything. Think more about this and you will see that you really have the greatest atomizer in your hands and you have it a long time ago.

 

[yankeebobo]

But when I drip, I want to taste the flavor in the way it's supposed to taste. Have quick access to the wick so I can replace it and change flavors easily, not vape it off and then see a transition where I can still taste the other juice. And be small. I often see "drippers" that claim to take a large anount of drops and end up being as large as a tank atty.

If I drip into an hh357 even, sure it takes only a few drops, but I can change flavors much easier. I can drip into a gryphon, an origin, an immortalizer, and change flavors quickly. Remove the wick and replace. And I just read Jo's comments above and wonder how your thought on a GG dripper would sit if you tried a couple competitors drippers before making some statements you made in your OP. I fully believe you would actually try to design a true GG dripper.

The quick replacement of the wick, the use of micro coils, the cleaning of "leftover juice" is challenged in the GG atomizer. I'm sorry but it is. And from what I see, the ithaka with the new rebuildable is close at least. But that's a very expensive dripper in my opinion to add that feature.

A GG atomizer somewhere inbetween the height of the ody drip and the width of the ody/ithaka main body with the deck of the new ithaka rebuildable part to allow no NR for a quick swap? That would bring it to a dripper status

I will leave my tobacco flavors in GG. I don't drip tobacco.

 

[imeothanasis]

you said exactly what Ithaka can do if you do as I answered to aal's post Yankee. Think about it. Let your mind imagine it. Remove a sleeve from the body and put a mouthpiece on the small cap. And leave more wick laying around inside Ithaka's body if you like. Thats a dripper that not only takes 2-3 drops but much more if you like

 

[imeothanasis]

Ithaka is an atomizer that can behave any way you like.

I was wondering why we need drippers and you told me the reasons. And now I am telling you that Ithaka is a real dripper but with the ability to be a tank any time you like, or the opossite

 

[yankeebobo]

Ok. We will have to agree to disagree then buddy. I covered a lot. Jo covered a lot and aal covered a lot and I don't see where we basically summarized what you said in your last two responses.

I do see where a handful of individuals come on, voice their opinion on something after experiencing it first hand, then offer a suggestion or two get brushed aside. I'm not surprised at all now that many are actually afraid to speak up when there is a problem or even a small suggestion.

Agree it move along. I'm sorry. I'll move along.

 

[imeothanasis]

What I see here is that Ithaka has more possibilities than I even imagine, thats why I didnt mention them on my very first video. Its construction really amazes me sometimes

Ok, I will think of a new mouthpiece that will replace the existing one and makes Ithaka the best dripper ever. No reason for a new atomizer, just for a new drip tip

 

[JollyRogers]

Imeo, Ithaka is a great atomizer, most would call it a Rebuildable Tank Atomizer (RTA or RBA), for good reason. I am not sure I understand what you are referring to w/ changing parts on Ithaka to make it a dripper etc.. I have only an Ody and and Ody Dripper. The only GG true Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer (RDA) is the Ody dripper IMO. I like it well enough.

Rebuildable dripping atomizers (RDA) have gained in popularity because they are super easy to build and experiment with, they are small(er) in size, and they produce a lot of vapor and flavor. Some of them can hold upwards to 20 drops of eliquid without flooding because the coil(s) sit off the deck by a few MM, and there is room for a lot of wick, which actually means a fairly long vape time. That is something that I cannot do on Ody dripper, and if I over drip, I have e-liquid in the air tube and gurgling or in my collector tank on my GGTS.

IMO, the current GG atomizer style does not lend itself to be easy for wick replacement, and ease of coil replacement due to dealing with the e-liquid in the tank and getting to atomizer/wick to work with it. There are ways to do coil experimentations etc, however I find this cumbersome on a GG atomizer… because I have to do the complete tear down, NR and R wire setup, and if it is the Ody/Ithika, I have to deal with the mess inside the tank (e-liquids). The Kayfun styles have some of the same issue IMO. Though they are simple, I hate dealing with all the e-liquid in the tank if I need to change or rebuild. Plus if I am dripping, I see no reason for a tank (unless it is a tiny tank that sits under my coils), so I want the smallest size I can use and I like it to be flush mounted with my battery holder.

When you say "Now I see "drippers" working the same way. WOW, thats a big discovery", I think you are referring to a certain Greek modder that has one with a small tank under it that you can push atty to get the wick wet again. I kind of agree with you, but that is a piece that essentially turns their mods into a hybrid dripper with a small tank under the coil. It is neat, though maybe a little "gimmicky" and though I like the way it integrates with their mods, I didn't like the coil placements and some other things about it, so didn't buy one. Will wait to see reviews from those that are not associated with the modder to see what they think.

A dream RDA for me would be a replacement for the GGTS collector tank. It would take collector top tube, control ring, and cap off. Screw in rebuildable atomizer piece (that is small enough to sit inside of the collector) to 510/801 connector threads and be able to build dual coils. Replacement collector piece that would would have air flow control, and the ability to line up where my air holes are located and hold a drip tip of my liking. It would be simple, and turn the GGTS into the ultimate Hybrid Dripping machine. I would build this myself, but I do not have the resources. I would love to see you build something like it and would buy it if you did. But, I don't think you ever will though...

 

[JollyRogers]

hmm - a few posts while I wrote my book. Imeo, I am not one afraid to speak up, you can take it onboard or not, I don't care one way or another. I understand what you are saying now with Ithika being a dripper. I get it, and can picture it in my head. However, I still stand on ease of replacement to coil/wick, and the size. It is not what I want in a RDA.

 

[imeothanasis]

I am preparing a video about Ithaka dripper that I will post ASAP. Its a small video that will show you the possibilities of Ithaka. After that, I will show you a video about Penelope V2 in drip mode that works JUST EXCELLENT on Proteus because it takes about 25 drops and it looks on Proteus so small that come equal to China e-cigs.!!

 

[JollyRogers]

Proteus is available?

 

[imeothanasis]

I forgot to tell you on this video that you can leave more wick laying inside the body (so even more liquid can be absorbed) and without the need to put wick inside channels. But even if you dont do that, liquid stays besides the wicks, so it still feeds the atomizer without overflooding it

Also we can make a new mouthpiece that will not allow liquid comes off the tank if you put it upside down. As you will see on this video, liquid still cant go off the tank but we can make it even better.

Roger, new rebuildable Ithaka part allows you to change wick very quickly, so this video will solve your last issue about Ithaka in drip mode. Also Ithaka is not like other atomizers because its very short already, so after removing its upper body it comes to the right height to work like a dripper

The way to make your Ithaka work like a dripper is one mouthpiece away! I will try to produce it ASAP so I can give you one more great option for your favorite atomizer. It will work for existing rebuildable part too of course

 

[imeothanasis]

Proteus is available?

not yet Rogers

 

[imeothanasis]

I am trying to show you that Ithaka can gives you exactly what you want yankee. I am trying to show you that you bought the best atomizer ever made. You do want me to do that, dont you? Dont you like to see the new features that your atomizer can give you? Dont you like the fact that your Ithaka can do more than you ever imagine?

Ok. We will have to agree to disagree then buddy. I covered a lot. Jo covered a lot and aal covered a lot and I don't see where we basically summarized what you said in your last two responses.

I do see where a handful of individuals come on, voice their opinion on something after experiencing it first hand, then offer a suggestion or two get brushed aside. I'm not surprised at all now that many are actually afraid to speak up when there is a problem or even a small suggestion.

Agree it move along. I'm sorry. I'll move along.