Dumb it down for me

[Dusif]

Much of that can be attributed to the inferior 33.3 hz PWM chip that the Vamo and the majority of regulated mods made overseas use; the so-called "rattlesnake" effect. Regulated mods that use a much higher PWM chip with quality filters (ie. Provari, iTaste MVP & VV3, dna mods) have a cleaner and smoother vape.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/381232-provari-oscope-vs-vamo.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/variable-voltage-apv-discussion/488840-rattlesnake-effect-why-cheapo-vv-exception-itaste-mvp-dont-vape-same-provari-dna20d.html

You can not deny that a mechanical mod suffers from battery voltage drop as the battery is used in a way that a regulated mod does not. It's a gradual drop in vape, but it's there just the same.

For the vast majority of vapors who do not wish to fiddle with homemade coils and wicks, a regulated mod is the better way to go for regulating the voltage to be consistant throughout the battery's life, and having the option to adjust voltage to different flavors just isn't an option with a mechanical mod. Unless of course a Kick is used - and if you go to the expense of both a mechanical mod and a Kick, wouldn't it make better sense to have just gone with a regulated mod in the first place?

Since being able to fine tune my voltage to each flavor that I use, I couldn't imagine being limited to a fixed voltage battery. Maybe if I had the so-called All Day Vape I could, but I switch flavors 3 - 4 times a day because I love variety when I vape.

To each his own, but that's what works best for me.

Its true that there is a voltage drop, but being able to go lower than 1.2ohm makes it worth it if you ask me... It gives a vape that no VV/VW devices can match


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[WattWick]

The mechanical tube mods all look the same to me. I like things I won't scratch up.

That's the strangest thing I ever heard a cat say. Won't scratch up... where's the fun in that?!

 

[Vwls]

I fell in love the first time with mech mods when I saw a picture of a Caravela. The simple fact is that you'll never get a regulated mod that compares in terms of beauty and grace.

But later, I fell in love with mech mods all over again - this time for what they are on the inside... not some shallow school girl crush based on physical appearance

Once you start rebuilding, you find that regulated mods are limiting. My Provari is a workhorse but I never use it anymore because it does not allow me the freedom to try new builds, experiment with different types of wire... be adventurous. In fact, if I try to build anything under .8 ohms, it tells me my build's no good! When in fact it is probably a stellar build that's not even a cloud chaser, but just one that is going to bring out the subtle undertones of a juice I made from real tea leaves the week before.

In other words, mech mods = the freedom to explore your world... for those who can't sit still and want to experience everything. Regulated mods = nice, safe and reliable... for people who don't feel the need to fix it if it aint broke.

Both have their place and there's no problem if you prefer one over the other. I say, get one of each and have as much fun as you can with 'em.

 

[D. Waterhouse]

on off on off on off on off on off on off .... put it in your pocket



then

on off on off on off on off ... and put it away again.


repeatedly, hour after hour day after day week after week etc..., that's a lot of on off cycles... a lot. so in the end it's really all about the connection, the button, everything else is just details and tuning, but without the on off, no vape

ecigs or pv's or mods or whatever you want to call them are all about one thing electrically, and that is on off on off so in the end it's really all about the switch....


that is also the biggest difference between a mech and an electronic device, the way it switches on and off





the mech mechanical connection basically touches 2 pieces of metal together to close the circuit and allow current to flow. each time a mech is switched on by pressing the button there is an arc as the connection initiates current flow. this button must flow all of the current so it needs to be substantial. the button is one of the most important parts of any mech.

the connection when perfectly clean and not oxidized allows current to flow straight from the battery to the atty at battery voltage, minus any resistance in the circuit that is the mod. this connection point that controls on off every time degrades as you use it, arcs cause oxidation and oxidation causes an outer crust of oxidation on the metals surface, microscopically at first but it builds up and builds up until it starts to restrict the current flow. it can eventually get bad enough that you start to hear the term misfire, that's when you press the button to initiate on but the connection has degraded to the point that it doesn't even let much current flow at all, so you then start pressing the button harder and harder to initiate contact and eventually you take it apart and clean up all the connections, hopefully put a dab of anti oxidizing grease on there and the cycle begins all over again.

as the connection degrades so does performance, a high resistance connection point for on off sucks power from the battery just like your atty does so battery performance suffers and the vape suffers. everyone with a mech knows how it feels to have the contacts degrade to the point that the mod is working like crap, then take it apart and clean up all the connections and put it back together and say, ahhh, that's how it's supposed to work but again the cycle continues and the connection starts degrading right after your done cleaning it.

some higher end mods address this with exotic plating of the firing pin, stuff like gold and silver even rhodium plating are done to slow down this process but nobody has made any batteries with gold contacts so any mod that's doing it's on off switching by making and breaking direct contact with the end of the battery itself is going to experience this degrading performance more so and need to do some periodic contact maintenance and suffer degrading performance at times in between but even the exotic contacts that are remote from the battery ends still eventually need maintenance and performance still degrades with use.




an electronic on the other hand does not rely on a mechanical connection at all for this on off.

on an electronic device this on off connection is done inside of an ic chip. the connection can't degrade or oxidize because it is encapsulated in an oxygen free environment inside the chip and the on off always works consistently and is always at peak performance and never degrades. since the ic chip is remotely controlled the actual switch of the mod doesn't have to be substantial and doesn't have to carry any of the current itself so it can just be a smaller clicky button type switch that always works every press, never misfires and never degrades in performance and never needs to be pressed harder and harder, never needs maintenance and never winds up getting to the point of working like crap because it needs to be cleaned.


one thing I find funny is that many who prefer mechs claim it's because of reliability but in reality a electronic switching device is way more reliable and consistent from on off to on off vape after vape, def more reliable and consistent from battery fresh off the charger till almost dead

the main difference is the way it switches on off but the fact that you can now also vary the amount of power it outputs is a really nice bonus you get from most electronically switched devices. reliable switching and variable power output control.

I like and have both and prefer my vv vw devices for day to day use because of there reliability and consistency of vape but then again I also really like the simple mechanical sleekness of my poldiac too, so I wouldn't say one is better than the other, there different and they both have there pro's and con's, but the switch makes the mech, get a mech with a good switch at least if your gonna go mech

If it blink or beeps, it breaks.

With a mech unless I hit it with a lawn mower a little maintenance will keep it going for a lifetime of more. My SID, that I absolutely love, if it makes 5 years I will be completely shocked. Electronics may have more durable high power contacts but the low power actuator switches aren't that durable and neither are the connections to those switches. Shake and drop them enough and electronics WILL break and I don't have the know how or tools to diagnose of fix them but a mech? I've got alcohol, oxguard and Q-tips.

VV/VW is nice and I use them every day but I know that if the cak hits the fan my mechs will be there for me.

 

[turbocad6]

^^ LOL.. wasn't the title of this thread "Dumb it down for me"?

ha, that IS the dumbed down version

I guess if the question is which one has a better chance of surviving the next 40 years then mech is the clear choice, but I don't expect my car or my computer or my tv or my cell phone or much of anything else to last forever and they cost a whole lot more than an ecig to replace.

I don't get why so many use the "it'll last forever" as there biggest reason, I don't need mine to last forever, I'd just like it to work well and reliably now and give me good performance in it's lifetime, whatever that may be. I like using remote controls and I like that my car is fuel injected and has power windows and that my cellphone does all it can do, sure without all the electronics and fancy gadgets many things can be more "simple" and last forever, hell a string and 2 cans would probably outlast my cell phone and crank windows would probably out last the power windows in my car but I'd rather embrace the technology that adds convenience and automation to my life.

I'd hate to have to go to the front of my car and have to crank a big handle to start it because I'm afraid that an electric starter won't last forever. it's funny that of all things, people want there little ecig to last forever so much so that there willing to shun electronic switching and regulation to the category of undesirable. who here actually believes that in 5 years time newer and better ecigs won't be available and what we have and use today won't be obsolete anyway.

 

[Myrany]

@turbocad6

I want a mech to last 40 years because I do not trust my own government not to make it impossible for me to buy vaping supplies. 40 years more should about sum up the rest of my natural life. With a couple of RDAs and my juice making abilities I am set to vape no matter what the government does.

I do have electronic devices. They last as long as they last. The mechs are my vapocalypse devices.

 

[DancingHeretik]

Myrany, thank you for expressing that so clearly and concisely. We need a 'Love' or 'triple-Like' button!

 

[joeybear]

Mechs are simple...install battery and tank and go. Vv/vw can lead to a lot of fiddling and or electrical issues if someone mucks with it too much.

All in all, it's preference . I have many of both and choose which to use depending on my mood

 

[_Lee]

Great responses, all! Thanks so much for the info. Better is subjective; different is the better term.

Sub ohm and vapeocolypse = mech is better
Daily simple with features = vw is better for me