E-Cig Ban/License Requirements Proposed in Boston!

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For those who are testifying tomorrow and/or are submitting written comments, following are some talking points regarding Boston Public Health Commission's proposed regulations.

Proposed Reg to ban e-cig use wherever smoking is banned.
- Boston PHC has grossly misrepresented health risks of e-cigarettes and nicotine in deceitful attempt to demonize and restrict product usage.
- PHC proposal primarily protects cigarette markets (and to a lesser degree NRT markets) at expense of public health.
- E-cigs emit no smoke, and nonusers don't obtain nicotine from e-cigarettes, so there is no public health justification for PHC to ban their usage in hundreds of thousands of workplaces and public places.
- No evidence e-cigs have ever harmed any of the estimated million consumers, nor anyone else.
- E-cigs have helped about a million smokers quit smoking or significantly reduce cigarette consumption.
- E-cigarettes have replaced nearly a billion packs of cigarettes (that would have otherwise been purchased/smoked by smokers who switched to e-cigarettes).
- Proposed regulation would deceive public to inaccurately believe that e-cigarettes are as hazardous as cigarettes.
- Proposed regultion would keep smokers smoking by discouraging many from switching to e-cigarettes.
- Proposed regulation cannot be enforced since e-cigarettes can be used discreetly (i.e. without anyone else knowing) by covering up LED light (or by using an e-cig without an LED light) and by waiting several seconds before exhaling (as vapor is only visible if exhaled within two seconds after inhaling).
- In contrast to claims by the PHC, e-cigarettes are easily distinguishable from a burning cigarette.

Proposed Reg to ban tobacco and e-cig sales to youth, require tobacco retail permits for all tobacco and e-cig vendors, require face-to-face sales transactions for all tobacco and e-cig sales, require asking all tobacco and e-cig customers for govt picture ID if they appear under 27 years of age.

Youth Access to Tobacco
- Two federal laws (i.e. Synar Amendment and FSPTCA) and MA state law already ban tobacco sales to minors under 18 and also require/fund compliance checks/stings of retailers (so is a third local law necessary?).
- Youth cigarette consumption in MA and the US has declined sharply since 1998 (with 8th grade prevalence decling 75%, 10th grade prevalence declining 66%, and 12th grade prevalence declining 50%).
- Illegal tobacco sales to youth have declined sharply in past 20 years, as federally mandated Synar compliance checks have found that only about 10% of retailers don't ask for ID from youth tobacco consumers (down from 75% of retailers two decades ago).
- The FSPTCA also prohibits cigarette and smokeless sales to youth, and the FDA is contracting with States to fund enforcement (including compliance stings against tobacco retailers).
- Since nearly all 12th graders are 18, and since many/most underage smokers now primarily obtain cigarettes from friends or relatives (who are 18 or older), the proposed regulation would do very little to further reduce youth smoking or youth access to cigarettes. The most effective way to reduce youth access to cigarettes would be to increase MA's mininum age for cigarette sales to 19 years.
- The proposed regulation allows the PHC Exec Director to establish an annual tobacco retailer permit fee, which might be so high (e.g. $2,500) as to discourage many e-cigarette vendors and tobacco retailers from selling in Boston. Any proposed regulation should include a proposed annual permit fee (instead of allowing the PHC exec dir sole discretion to establish the fee).

E-cigarettes
- There is no evidence (despite many false allegations) that youth use e-cigarettes or that e-cigs are marketed to youth, rendering mandatory tobacco retailer permits and face-to-face sales for e-cigs unjustified and regulatory overkill.
- Banning internet and mail order sales of e-cigs in Boston would force e-cig vendors to relocate outside of city, and could result in lawsuit by e-cigarette vendor(s) against city (as city probably doesn't have legal authority to ban internet or mail order sales).
- Boston PHC cannot enforce ban on internet and mail order e-cig vendors who are located outside of Boston and sell to consumers in Boston, which account for some/many/most e-cig sales to Boston consumers).
- If nicotine was a hazardous as PHC claims, the proposed ordinance should also included NRT products, which have nearly identical health risk/benefit profiles as e-cigarettes and smokeless tobacco.

Smokeless tobacco
-Virtually no Boston youth (or adults) use smokeless tobacco products, rendering their inclusion in the proposed retailer permit requirement (like e-cigarettes) as excessive.

Cigars
- Cigars aren't nearly as hazardous as cigarettes (as vast majority of cigar smokers don't inhale the smoke, and don't smoke daily).
- Requiring cigars costing less than $2 to be sold in packages of 5 won't reduce cigar consumption by youth, and may be challenged in court by cigar companies.
- While some people (primarily urban blacks) use cigars/wrappers to smoke pot, criticizing and regulating cigar companies won't reduce pot smoking.

Also, note that on December 11, 2008, the Boston Public Health Commission promulgated a regulation that banned tobacco sales at all pharmacies and healthcare institutions at
http://www.bphc.org/boardofhealth/r...egs_TobaccoRestrictionRegulation_12-11-08.pdf
I believe there was a lawsuit filed against Boston PHC challenging that ordinance, but I'm not sure of its legal statuts.
 
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Hey Funtobe.. fancy seeing you here lolol.

You can keep up with bans that need letters, faxes, etc. by following CASAA's "Call to Action" page. They usually have all the info posted on whatever bans we need to be fighting.

CASAA.org

Thanks lady. Still trying to find those CASAA cards! I must be blind.


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Vocalek

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Hey folks: We have until Sunday to send them comments.

Written comments may be submitted through October 10, 2011 to the Boston Public Health
Commission, Board Office, ATTN: Jamie Martin, 1010 Massachusetts Avenue, 6th Floor, Boston, MA
02118 or by e-.‐mail to boardofhealth@bphc.org.

CASAA Call to Action pages are

CASAA.org

CASAA.org

Some talking points for each are offered, but it is sufficient to a) relate how e-cigarettes affected your smoking and b) point out that the scientific evidence shows nothing at all harmful in the vapor for the indoor use regulation. For the sales restrictions regulation, point out that that since retailers and online sellers already voluntarily refrain from selling to minors, all the regulation would do is to make it more difficult for adult smokers to gain access to a product that helps up to 80% of daily users refrain from smoking.

The text of the proposed regulations can be accessed online.

http://www.bphc.org/boardofhealth/r...ce Smoking Restrictions Regulation, Draft.pdf

http://www.bphc.org/boardofhealth/r...Amended Tobacco Control Regulation, Draft.pdf
 

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Elaine linked each of the call to actions for you above. I'll link directly to the cards below :) We'll get you going :) We need all the help we can to stop the antis!

On CASAA front page, right side there is a shopping cart logo to their 'store'

The info cards are here, free - you just paying shipping:

CASAA Business Cards - Root - CASAA

Alternatively you can download the template if you want to print some on your own biz card stock paper at home. They also have brochures and things you can print to take to your doctor, share with folks.

The first 2 are biz card templates:
CASAA.org
 

Bill Godshall

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I just found some interesting info that raises further questions about the motives of Boston PHC proposal to require all tobacco retailers and e-cigarette vendors to obtain a permit and renew it annually (at a yet-to-be determined/announced fee), require face-to-face sales transactions, request ID from any consumer appearing younger than 27, etc. at:
http://www.bphc.org/boardofhealth/r...Amended Tobacco Control Regulation, Draft.pdf

It turns out that the FDA has contracted with the Massachusetts Dept of Public Health to enforce provisions of the FSPTCA that prohibit retailers from selling cigarettes and smokeless tobacco to youth, that the MA DPH has conducted 97 compliance inspections of retailers in Boston, and that just 3 out of 97 retailers were caught selling tobacco (i.e. cigarettes) to a minor during compliance inspections (a 3% noncompliance rate, which is the lowest noncompliance rate I've ever seen anywhere).

Since the FSPTCA bans retailers from selling cigarettes and smokeless tobacco sales to youth, and since FDA has contracted with MA to enforce this law, the only explanation for Boston PHC's proposed tobacco and e-cigarette retailer permit regulation is to ban cigar and e-cigarette sales to minors, and to establish a funding system (i.e. retailer permit fees) for the city to conduct random unannounced compliance inspections (using minors) of retailers for illegal cigar and e-cigarette sales (despite no evidence that youth use e-cigarettes or that e-cigs are marketed to youth, and despite very little if any evidence that cigars are sold to youth, as MA state law already prohibits cigar sales to youth, and I haven't seen any surveys that ask youth how/where they obtain cigars).

I'll cite this in my comments to the Boston PHC, and I'm looking for a news reporter in Boston that might expose this.


FDA lists States Awarded Tobacco Retailer Inspection Contracts
States Awarded FDA Tobacco Retail Inspection Contracts

FDA posts tobacco retailer compliance inspection results (searches can be done by state, municipality, zip code, retailer name, and/or inspection date)
Compliance Check Inspections of Tobacco Product Retailer

FDA Warning letters sent to three Boston retailers for selling cigarettes to minors during compliance inspection
Alizach, Inc d/b/a Downtown Convenience
Brothers Mini Market, Inc 7/21/11
One Stop Convenience 7/21/11
 
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I have to say the Allianza Hispana is continually busing in kids to these hearings who haven't the foggiest idea what constitutes an ecig
nor did they bother to prepare these kids so they wouldn't look as ignorant as they actually were.
There were two kids from chinatown assoc.one of whom claimed his friends buy ecigs from "some guy" who wants to addict them to "smoking" they get them {ecigs?} on the street.
Bull....!
There was not one single kid who spoke who actually had any idea what an ecig looked like or knew what one was comprised of.
It was really sad that they these agencies would use kids half of whom probably have a parent{s} who smokes to further their agendas.
One girl even said her "mother still smokes but she wouldn't want her to use these deadly devices".........sure kid have her smoke 'til she croaks.
It also shows how poorly the "Peer Counseling" and their advisor's in the BPS systems are working in conjunction with the ANTZ in said schools.
These were the same kids many of them who showed up in greater numbers for the first hearing to shut down cigar retailers.
I don't believe for the most part that this is something 11-18 yrs old are really concerned with but there can be no doubt they are going to continue to be used in this manner.
One girl in front of me said "I hope this makes it onto youtube!" "we might be on youtube"! Hooray !!!

Why wasn't the vanishing Dr. Michael Siegal there to give a statement if not to endorse their use for harm reduction then at least to say there has been total misinformation from the FDA, ACS, ALA,Truth.org and others or to give what his own studies have concluded?
Sad ,sad affair and just another dog and pony show put on for the public's benefit so BPHC can say they were fair by holding hearings.

I was really saddened and dismayed to not have any vapers from the New England area show up besides brewlady and myself.
A big thank you to the NY state vapers and NVC, Spike, Dumwaldo and Brotherman who drove 4+ hours to come and give statements on the behalf of all vapers.
Props to Elaine Keller and CASAA for helping me to prepare for this meeting and for all they do to further your rights as vapers and Bill Godshall for submitting statements to the BPHC.
I really hope we can be better organized at future events people!
C.B.
 
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CB, I've said it before and I'll reiterate it here, they couldn't win the battle in court, but they've devised a pretty good battle plan for the street. The few supporters of E Cigs cannot be everywhere and, as you've said, the actual game is over well before the public hearings. These health departments listen, yawn and look at their watches.

If Seagull couldn't spent some of his precious time in his own hometown to speak up for the only harm reduction product he actually appears to support (he certainly won't acknowledge snus or any other tobacco product qualifies as harm reduction), we have very few friends with any clout to support the effort. It took him until Monday to even address the subject in his blog. Perhaps he was too busy avoiding answering the tough questions presented by his smoking advocate buddies.

We'll never get any honest scientific research out of the research establishment. They're too busy spending smoker's money to expand the large body of evidence started on third and fifteenth hand smoke that is sure to come. Even if the results of IVAQS ever gets published, it will be written off by the scientific community and never get the media attention that could turn this boat around.

As much as I hate to say it, without BT getting its money involved E cigs appear to be something that will be relegated to a small niche market and treated just like smoking. Even with BT money, it will take time for them to jump through whatever hoops the FDA may require to get some kind of concessions in their "modified risk" strategy. Of course BP's modified risk products (NRT) will be given the green light immediately. JMHO
 

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J. you are absolutely right.
It pisses me off to no end to know that whatever I do will make no freaking difference to the so called "public health" organizations. I even offered myself up to a researcher from Harvard to be a "guinea pig" for the Tobacco Cessation research lab should they like to test me and my results from vaping. We spoke to him after the meeting and he said he was very moved by my story which was why I offered myself. Unfortunately he cannot solicit people to become part of their studies or programs but I may call them yet to see what else they might be willing to do to save smokers lives besides advocate for the patch and the usual suspects they offer as a cessation device.
You know he didn't dispute my stats of 2% at 20 months either! He was floored when I told him I routinely vape throughout MGH when I'm over there. Apparently they have refused folks in the hospital permission to vape on their grounds or while they are there but not one person in my doctors office has ever had a problem with it.
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Just want to mention that we have until Sunday to send comments to the Boston Board of Health on this proposition. See the CASAA CTA page: CASAA.org

This regulation would require that all sales of tobacco products (whcih specifically includes e-cigarettes) must take place face-to-face. How many of us buy our e-cig supplies at a retail store?

It doesn't have to be long and complicated. Just tell your story--including how switching has affected your health--and then state that the proposed regulation would have the effect of discouraging those who still smoke from switching to a much less hazardous alternative.
 

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CB, I've said it before and I'll reiterate it here, they couldn't win the battle in court, but they've devised a pretty good battle plan for the street. The few supporters of E Cigs cannot be everywhere and, as you've said, the actual game is over well before the public hearings. These health departments listen, yawn and look at their watches.

Health Departments are very hard to penetrate, but remember that Tacoma, Washington went from banning e-cigs everywhere to banning them in less than 10% of workplaces thanks to public hearings. Through a FOIA request, I have read all the e-mails that were exchanged throughout the Tacoma-Pierce County Health Department, and it was tremendous seeing the prohibitionists within the Health Department get antsy when they realized their ban wasn't going to pass as written.

City and county governments, on the other hand, can be influenced, and they have been influenced. Delaware County, Indiana would have e-cigs in their smoking ban today if people hadn't contacted the Commissioners. The impression I got was that none of the three local politicians actually knew e-cigs had been included (and I know two of them didn't have any idea what they were). When they found out, they voted to remove them.

And I'm still not sure how it happened, but Alexandria, LA had e-cigs in their proposed smoking ban. That ban passed Monday without e-cigarettes included.
 

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Sent them a e-mail right now opposing these regulations. One of my statements was:

these regulations are based on the statement that "e-cigarettes contain toxic chemicals and carcinogens;". The matter of fact is not if something "contains toxic chemicals" or not, the matter of fact is concentration of these chemicals. Everything "contains toxic chemicals", the fresh air we inhale contains toxic carbon dioxide, the water we drink contains toxic lead and a lot of other toxic chemicals and carcinogens. But concentrations are negligibly low. There are NO ONE scientific report (even conducted with very biased FDA experts) confirming that e-cigarettes contain "toxic chemicals and carcinogens" in a dangerous concentrations.
 
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