Really?! Kind of like Catholic indulgences? My neighbors think it's a sin to partake of tobacco even if you pay taxes on it.
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Really?! Kind of like Catholic indulgences? My neighbors think it's a sin to partake of tobacco even if you pay taxes on it.
That doesn't mean the tobacco has original sin. Just the louts smoking it. -Magnus
I have a Maxi Roughstack v2. Not nearly as sleek, but my wallet doesn't seem to mind.
It seems to be a slow process by government and other money making interests to shut down e-cigarettes. About 4 to 5 years by now. It may be slow due to sensing how easily they can caught with their pants down - being seen by the public to actively advocate resuming smoking and killing yourself, when there are no proven harmful effects from e-cigarettes so far.
It must be a tricky situation that goverment faces where they can't just throw their weight around like they are used to.
Roughstack is solid stuff man. I had a suddenly growing collection courtesy of ECF and found that the Precise rarely left my hand. -Magnus
I find myself using my RS and 5v box mod fairly equally. It just depends on what I'm feeling like at the time. I'm thinking of building a VV box mod just to try it out. Plus I have some CE2s that are caught in no man's land as far as my current setups are concerned. Little flavor and vapor at 3.7v, burnt at 5v. I'd rather the VV be a tube like the RS, but I just don't have the skillz to make a tube shaped mod that isn't purely mechanical. One could claim I couldn't make a decent looking box mod either. I wouldn't argue. I was not blessed with the ability to drill holes or solder. 
WoW MustangSallie, Thanks! You've made my night and swelled my head even larger than it already was!
I've been so juice-blessed and don't even know yet which ones will go into my PIF Hope Chest, so if I won, I would just ask to have it passed on to the PIF Emergency Department for the next person who was having a Juice Emergency to pick the flavor, BUT - how about this, after the contest is done, I will do some haikus just for you! - Oh, and free.
No amount of money could compare with such a wonderful compliment!
This is one way in which We The People can take back our Government. In America we do not live in a Democracy, we live in a Republic. America is a republic Not a democracy - we have a democratic form of elections and free enterprise system that is governed largely by democratic notions. That is all. A Democracy form of government is basically Mob Rule, the Majority makes the rules for All. Our forefathers were dead set against having this form of government, so they instituted a Republic instead. This assures individual personal freedoms for the people. No matter what The Majority sought these freedoms would be protected. Knowing that it's easier to see how recent modern governments and corporate entities have twisted and perverted this country into thinking we are a democracy and they can get away with whatever the hell they want. That's Not how things are supposed to happen in this country.
They have not been able to get rid of e-cigs because The People spoke. Now they have to keep e-cigs but will try to regulate them. At worst they can make the sale of liquid nicotine illegal but only if We The People allow them to make those decisions for us. All other aspects of the e-cig can be readily made from scratch from common items they could never keep from us, even if they did shut down the sale and manufacturing of them. They have already made such laws as to guarantee my personal freedom to kill myself with cigarettes, I do not see how they can take away my personal freedom to not kill myself with an e-cig. Ya have to watch those slippery eels. They can make it tough on us but we can stand up and fight for our Inalienable Rights and win.
More on these Inalienable Rights here: Natural and legal rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Just another word about these Rights that we Americans are assured by the U.S. Constitution. It boils down to this. As long as I am not hurting anyone else, I can do whatever the hell I want to make me happy - The pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness. That's what The Republic is for, to guarantee our Inalienable Rights as spelled out in the U.S. Constitution. Most people are Not taught these differences of Democracy and Republic in our schools and they are not taught what these Inalienable Rights we have are. We are not taught these things because of our corrupt tyrannical members of government that seeks to control us with democratic means. These things Must be understood for us to find our voice to fight these giants. We already have the Power to win these battles. We have had it since 1776. Now we just need to use it.
When you teach your children not to smoke tobacco, teach them This also. It's one of the most important things they can ever know.
More on Republic vs Democracy here: An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic
(btw I'm an Independent)
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The P18......
-Magnus
Currently my favorite movie..... My only complaint was that it wasn't long enough. Off to post a WTB for a P18.
Update on the NSF board...
Boudee thinks your idea (Randyrtx) for a "short list" of known good suppliers is fantastic.
If you're willing to take suggestions, I'll be glad to start.
Hardware
--Cignot
--Liberty Flights
--Healthcabin (non-US)
--Madvapes
Juice vendors
--Tasty Vapor
--Madvapes (Dekang)
There are just my suggestions, feel free to ignore them if you wish.
This is, after all, your project.
WoW MustangSallie, Thanks! You've made my night and swelled my head even larger than it already was!
I've been so juice-blessed and don't even know yet which ones will go into my PIF Hope Chest, so if I won, I would just ask to have it passed on to the PIF Emergency Department for the next person who was having a Juice Emergency to pick the flavor, BUT - how about this, after the contest is done, I will do some haikus just for you! - Oh, and free.
Miss lol if you enter and win I strongly advise you to keep the Vermillion River juice and give away something else. Its very good stuff. I order from them every other week without fail.
BUT - how about this, after the contest is done, I will do some haikus just for you! - Oh, and free.
I don't mean to exert any pressure on you so feel free to forget about your lovely offer. However, if you do decide to delight us with a haiku or two it would be greatly appreciated by me.
It's always interesting the differences in American and Canadian governments. Somewhat similar but really divergant on some core components. And it's always good to learn more about American governing mechanisms.
Both Canada and US have put high taxes on tobacco sales over a couple of decades citing the ill health effects and keeping out of the hands of minors who shouldn't be able to afford $10 for a pack of smokes. Not really a move to protect personal rights and freedoms and these high taxes were put into effect without any public input - they just did it.
The FDA had been legally forced to stand down as we know and this is the people having a voice for sure. I just don't see political advisors coming up with ideas to vigorously ban and remove e-cigarettes which could easily be seen as making people kill themselves with smoking so the tax money can keep pouring into goverment coffers.
I don't know if you read any of the links and to be honest, I really don't know much about Canada. I'd like to know more because I know it's owned by the Queen. To me it's a partly French speaking U.K. The American form of Republic was created almost like an experiment because it hadn't been done quite like that before. Our courts can actually through laws to limit and the People change the way Government works when it seeks to usurp the freedoms of those people. In parliament, if they declared all citizens must wear the same uniform made of green and pink polka dots the courts could not overturn that decision. In America the courts can have that decision overturned. The Queen owns more countries around the world than anyone else. That's kinda scary. She may allow for those places to largely govern themselves but I believe she or Parliament has the final say. I don't know if you guys get real history in your schools. We do not. We get a tainted twisted version of history and it sickens me that our kids are taught this load of crap. ( Look up "Lies My teacher Told Me" by James Lowen for an example of this) It makes it harder when searching the net for information on other countries governments because you don't know whats true and what is propaganda.
Finally!
In case there's anything useful in it, here's the promised blogrant about belief, which ended up having to be in 3 parts. (10,000 character limit. sorry, not my idea)
Tangent: anti-e-cigaretteism and You: Misinfoception and Belief
Tangent: anti-e-cigaretteism and You: What The Opposed Believe - Intro
Tangent: anti-e-cigaretteism and You: What The Opposed Believe - Main
In case there's anything useful in it, here's the promised blogrant about belief, which ended up having to be in 3 parts. (10,000 character limit. sorry, not my idea)
Tangent: anti-e-cigaretteism and You: Misinfoception and Belief
Tangent: anti-e-cigaretteism and You: What The Opposed Believe - Intro
Tangent: anti-e-cigaretteism and You: What The Opposed Believe - Main
I had an interesting discussion with a childhood friend of mine who is an oncologist. His visceral reaction to the use of e-cigarettes caught me off-guard. And his position seemed primarily based on the dangers of nicotine. We explored that a bit and it appears the anti-nicotine rhetoric is ingrained in Medical Schools to the point where the consideration of even looking at a study doesn't occur to most Doctors. They are taught it's bad, all protocol they have to follow during Residency says it's bad, the Lawyers who monitor them say it's bad, the auditors say it's bad, the checklists say it's bad, etc. etc.
So he said even if he read anything I gave him, to act on it while working at a major hospital could cause him a lot of problems. He isn't important enough or respected enough in his own research yet to have "earned the leisure of curiosity"....
Hrmm. -Magnus
So he said even if he read anything I gave him, to act on it while working at a major hospital could cause him a lot of problems. He isn't important enough or respected enough in his own research yet to have "earned the leisure of curiosity"....
Hrmm. -Magnus
Consider this a crash course on Canada then eh? Well the queen is just a figurehead and doesn't own or make any laws in the commonwealth. The commonwealth being a hangover from 1700-1800's includes India, Australia, Canada - wiki is a good rundown on it Member states of the Commonwealth of Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Canada has a multi-party system of government and the US has a 2 party system. The Canadian system is modelled after the British parliament but not exactly. Basically self-serving politicians as anywhere. As for history you were taught, that is the same anywhere - history is always distorted in any country or any given place and time.
Canadians know as much or more about the "states" (as we call the US sometimes) than a good percentage of American citizens. We know our history and yours and our history is as interesting as the US. Some canucks can name off all the state capitals and the list of 50 states is trivial for any Canadian. On the other hand, Americans know very little about Canada. We watch what happens in the states because any social trends there surface here 10 years later like the proliferation of gangs, guns and anything else.
Are Canadians "nice"? We have our share of murders, low-life, street addicts/pushers, but when we travel the world everyone is happy to see us - unlike when Americans travel the world - everyone has bad feelings about the US. We have centers of the arts/music and can complete worldwide
Anyhow just a fast runthrough, John, and it is easy enough to get to know Canada. Come for a visit sometime.
We'd certainly all like to think so, but as long as Canada has all these vast areas full of more snow than could possibly be made into balls and snow people, even if every single Canadian spent every minute of every day doing nothing else, ever, and year after year, it insists on keeping every scrap of that snow to itself, while at least a full third of its closest neighbor country is populated by children who have never even seen snow, not even once - well, there's going to be some resentment...
I love Canadians and their "aboots" and "ehs" and "soorrys"...
In Utah the only weird thing about speech here is the affinity for de-stressing the letter "T", except for in the state name like "maun-ən" (mountain).
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