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NVM, it looks like he was drawn there by ECF members.

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Really, guys... This crap has got to stop. Roly made it very clear that we shouldn't be signing up en masse on other boards and posting about e-cigs.

I'm not about to sign up and I have COPD...but I will send an email to the president of this organization and explain why.
 

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Was that before or after those disturbing posts he made in that thread?
How did he respond to you?

It really makes me crazy to see COPD patients being told to stay far away from electronic cigarettes.
If anyone needs an electronic cigarette immediately and desperately it is a COPD patient.

Keep in mind I found the COPD because of Electricman's posting, not ECF.

Just so you know, I am considering using another larger platform to fight back against your “team” of propagandists. You see my other hat is on a site with over a million members as one of their lead moderators. I have never seen such a concerted attack on my rights, the attack reminds me of the McCarthy and Nazi propaganda machines. I have been personally libeled on ECF, had 3 users created accounts to attack us, and have had two high profile advocates for the product email me to complain. Your email was pleasant and thoughtful compared to the others. At the same time, I see an industry promoting what some see as a dangerous product imported from China willing to take all measures to defeat anyone who opposes their view or product. Joe McCarthy (who predates both of us) and the propaganda machine of the Nazi’s started this way.

To be clear, I have no clue what's up with ECF on this front, I acted on my own based on their discrimination of users who are also members of various e-cigarette forums.
 

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Something similar happened at another forum. An ECF member posted his experience with e-cigs, the other forum's members didn't take too kindly to it and responded in a "not so nice" kind of way. Some members here signed up to defend the other member and it didn't turn out so well.

We've been warned by mods here that a reprise will not be tolerated.

Look at it from their viewpoint for a moment. A bunch of members from another forum sign up promoting a product. It smacks of spam or flaming.

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This is what LibertariaNate is referencing :)

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/announcements-rules/51178-forum-rules.html

20. Attacking other websites:
Members' use of this forum to discuss spamming, trolling or disruption of other sites is not allowed.
a. No posts discussing the placing of unwanted text or materials on another website or forum are allowed.
b. No posts advocating methods to carry out such attacks are allowed.
c. No posts giving resources to carry out such attacks are allowed.
d. Members who attack other sites in any way are at risk of being banned. This includes trolling, spamming links, or acting in a way likely to bring ECF into disrepute on other sites.

Any such posts will be deleted and the person responsible will be sanctioned.
 

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I don't see it - must have been deleted.

I have the PDF, and you can catch it in google cache.

I provided the Dave Mabo (Dave-OH) with Judge Leon's ruling, as well as FDA's own website with their revised strategy on dealing with e-cigarettes, and suggested he get the actual lab report from the FDA via the Freedom of Information Act.
 

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So as long as you post information under a name you don't use here it is not considered disruptive?
Because I never found what post "you mods" made reference to at 11:15 pm{?} in my banning.
I don't consider any of my posts to be as horrendous, egregious, negative, flaming,spam,or trolling for the purposes to disrupt. Certainly none of them brought any "disrepute" on ecf imho.
As to what we received from that other place, well now that is quite a different story.
I'm not sure why we are being held responsible for what other people with an obvious agenda post here or there.
Perhaps one of you monitoring this thread could clear this up for me please?
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I have the PDF, and you can catch it in google cache.

I provided the Dave Mabo (Dave-OH) with Judge Leon's ruling, as well as FDA's own website with their revised strategy on dealing with e-cigarettes, and suggested he get the actual lab report from the FDA via the Freedom of Information Act.

Nice move Matt.
I really don't understand why anyone would be averse to simply reading any or all of the studies that have recently come out about pv's and for the life of me how anyone could say "Chantix is a safer product than pv's" is mind boggling given the current information. I have/had{?} COPD allegedly and registered for that site ages ago I believe but had never been really active since they had no help except espousing a CT/patch stance which by the way never worked for me no matter how many times I tried in over 37 years. :glare:
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Nice move Matt.
I really don't understand why anyone would be averse to simply reading any or all of the studies that have recently come out about pv's and for the life of me how anyone could say "Chantix is a safer product than pv's"


People with COPD are naturally protective about inhaling ANYTHING, for obvious reason. I'm in technical agreement, I would avoid inhaling anything that wasn't a known quantity. I disagree that one is better off smoking, but we won't get that known quantity until more research is done.
 

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People with COPD are naturally protective about inhaling ANYTHING, for obvious reason. I'm in technical agreement, I would avoid inhaling anything that wasn't a known quantity. I disagree that one is better off smoking, but we won't get that known quantity until more research is done.

I can understand them not wanting to put anything in their lungs but I disagree with the overt hostility and the always, always wanting to classify anyone or anything that they have no first hand knowledge of as disruptive, harmful to them and attacking.
I find it to be incredibly paranoid as if you{we} are personally trying to harm them.
So are you a proponent of the ecig industry harassing them lol?
Just kidding of course!
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I can understand them not wanting to put anything in their lungs but I disagree with the overt hostility and the always, always wanting to classify anyone or anything that they have no first hand knowledge of as disruptive, harmful to them and attacking.
I find it to be incredibly paranoid as if you{we} are personally trying to harm them.
So are you a proponent of the ecig industry harassing them lol?
Just kidding of course!
C.B.

I have no objections to them not addressing e-cigarettes. They are after all "recreational". You and I are in the know, understand the stance of the FDA, the court ruling, and the evidence that addresses the safety of these devices. But from the standpoint of a forum dealing with chronic illness, it would be akin to discussing having a beer with one's mates. It's unfortunate since COPD and e-cigarettes are a match made in heaven, and such a discussion of users who switch would provide useful data to the medical community. But again, this is akin to the utility of beer to someone with chronic pain, technically beneficial, but a bit of a faux paux to promote alcohol.

My ONLY complaint with Dave was Dave Mabo was the marginalization of users with COPD who also use e-cigarettes. But once he started claiming Nazi/McCarthy conspiracy (I'm not kidding), and how 100,000 people are happy with him as a moderator, any further communication seemed pointless. Either the gent believes there is a Nazi conspiracy to suppress his right to free speech, or it's hyperbole to gain sympathy. Either way, my only recourse was to toss the actual ruling by Judge Leon, and ask he get the actual lab report from the FDA under the FOiA. Beyond that I'll to my best to steer clear.
 

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I read the whole back and forth from the pdf and it is really insane and of no help to that community to have someone with that mindset being in charge of a place where he could be disseminating useful information and valuable tools to those with lung diseases such as a COPD "support" forum.
What a waste.
It never fails to amaze me how truly ignorant people are.
It is shameful honestly.
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