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What's wrong with huge amounts of BBQ? :)

I'm about to bust out the smoker and grill for the first time this year. Spring was only 4 days long... It snowed last week and today it's 85. I miss San Diego...
Then I'm quite certain you don't want me to tell you what a beautiful day it was today.
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I'm looking it over now. May I be so bold as to make some content and editing suggestions? :oops:

I wanted to imply, as clearly as possible, that you don't have to remove the nicotine if you don't want to.
But I didn't want to explicitly say you don't need to, or that it is a choice you can make.

In other words, I was hoping a person would read that between the lines if they wanted to.
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Then I'm quite certain you don't want me to tell you what a beautiful day it was today.
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You are correct, sir! :)

Today's really nice, but it's a bit of shock to the system when the temp jumps by more than 40 degrees in the span of a week or so. In SD I didn't really care what season it was. "Fire" season and "sort-of-wet" season were both pretty nice... Minus the fires, of course...
 

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OK, how is this:

I firmly believe that, beyond question, it is the most successful method in existence! As of this writing, there is an abundance of research underway that experts believe will clearly show that electronic cigarettes are more effective than existing NRTs or "cold turkey." Many people, who have tried to quit dozens of times using many of the other methods mentioned here (only to eventually relapse to smoking again,) feel that electronic cigarettes are truly a miracle.

If anyone tells you that electronic cigarettes are dangerous, that we don’t know what is in them or that the FDA said they contain toxins, carcinogens or anti-freeze, please read the following:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-...ticle.jphp.pdf

Now that we have dispensed with that bit of nonsense…

How to quit smoking using an electronic cigarette

The first step is to buy a good product for a good price. That means to avoid almost everything that is widely advertised or comes up in a random Google search. Such products are marketed by companies who often sell poor performing products at outrageous prices. It is also very unlikely to find a high quality product at a reasonable price in a mall, at a liquor store or in a tobacco shop. Far too many people were introduced to the electronic cigarette through one of the outlets mentioned above only to come to the conclusion that the products do not work very well and will not work for them.

For the lucky ones that see the potential and decide to do some research, in order to find out if there is a better product, it does not take long to find out that there most certainly is. In fact, most people have no idea that an entire world of better products exists.

Now for the most important thing I can say to anyone reading this…

Because there is a bit of a learning curve, new users need to learn how to properly use the device. The only way to do these things is to interact with those who have come before you and have experience. Unless you know someone who has successfully used an electronic cigarette to quit smoking, your ONLY option for finding such help is an electronic cigarette forum. You will also need to find out the kind of electronic cigarette you need for your particular situation. There are excellent electronic cigarette forums that are full of wonderful, helpful people who also serve as a fantastic support group. An offline support group can be helpful, too, although quitting smoking using electronic cigarettes can be so easy that you may not need any support at all!

HOW you will quit smoking using these devices is part of the wonder of electronic cigarettes. They let you quit smoking your way, on your own timeframe and in a way that is most comfortable for you. Just as we smoked for different reasons, we also quit for different reasons. You may want to quit smoking to reduce your health risks or you may want to quit nicotine altogether. Your ultimate goal will determine if you use electronic cigarettes as a permanent replacement for harmful tobacco cigarettes or as a way to wean off nicotine at your own pace.

Either way, once you're off the tobacco cigarettes you have accomplished the most important goal, which is to stop inhaling smoke from burning tobacco. Thanks to electronic cigarettes that part can be accomplished very quickly and almost painlessly!

I tried to keep it "you" while fixing some punctuation and sentence structure and adding some of the suggestions.
 
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Wait a minute!! I just saw your post in the intro thread over there. YOUR name is Kristin, to??? Awesome! :thumbs:

(Interesting that Brad seemed to need to call you out as "aka MustangSallie" there?? That was kind of odd.)

Yup. When I registered here I wanted to use Kristin, but (obviously) you were using it already. I checked to see if you were inactive on the off chance I could take the name. Uh... yeah, sure. :)
 

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yep.. it's true. I have followed this since the 80's. You know, they can put diet on the label but there has never been One Study that shows diet drinks can help you lose weight? Shocking.. then if you get into some of the sweeteners used and how they can and do damage to the brain its even more shocking. IMO anyone who puts this poison in their bodies might as well drink gasoline.

The theory is that most sweeteners still generate a certain insulin response and that then causes munchies in people who are predisposed, for other reasons, to overeating. I actually noticed the same sort of munchies happen when I vape sweetened juices too. I'm prone to eating huge amounts of BBQ when I get the munchies. -Magnus
 

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Wait a minute!! I just saw your post in the intro thread over there. YOUR name is Kristin, to??? Awesome! :thumbs:

(Interesting that Brad seemed to need to call you out as "aka MustangSallie" there?? That was kind of odd.)

Hahaha. He went back and edited his post, that wasn't there when I first read his response. Sheesh, it's not like I tried to hide it. If I had, I wouldn't have posted it here now would I?

Hi Brad, nice to see you over here. Talk to you on the other board. :)
 

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Now I'm ....... I have to retype my message. Oh well.

Anyhow, they should do an official study, using us here. Send us all an official survey to fill out. I think the issue needs some live data. There are people who believe that this method will not work. They believe that as long as your puffing, you will go back to smoking cigarettes. They believe the addiction is too strong, and vaping is still smoking, and even if you have no nicotine in your system, you will still smoke cigarettes. These people have not used a vaporizer, they are only going on a theory, partially based off of their own opinions, and partially based off of someone else's opinion. I have some real data right now.

Now, when I smoked cigarettes, I couldn't barely go an hour without having to have a smoke, especially if I was allowed to. If I didn't have a choice in the matter, then I didn't have a choice. Right? No cigs then. I'd be going nuts for one, but I was forced. Now, I drive for a living, and we all know that we smoke when we drive. Right? So, I left with my kit. 2 batteries, the charger, a little bottle of liquid. I forgot the third battery with the cartomizer attached. So I've got choices. I could buy a pack of smokes. I could bum smokes off of my co-workers. I could buy a pack of overpriced cartos from 7-11. I've got a fourth choice, wait until I get home. I chose to wait, and I didn't think about it all night. I went 6 hours without puffing, and not a thought about it. When I was smoking, this would have been impossible.
 

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I think it looks good DC, at the very least it's a good start.

/Rant On .........

I was reading the post about "I was happier smoking", and it just makes me sad. The guy is totally unhappy and depressed, and all he's getting is a bunch of mumbo-jumbo crap that he's in no mood to think about. No one wants to even consider that after 45 years of smoking, he may be physically incapable of following the plan without serious medical help (as in something to replace the MAOIs that his brain has become accustomed to after so long).

Sorry for the rant... I feel for the guy, cause I was in his shoes. I thought I was losing my mind for a bit, until I got on medication. I have to wonder if some of us will ever fully recover from all the years of smoking, and all the "think happy thoughts and unicorns and bunnies will come make it go away" doesn't do a damn thing.

For me that's the reason these hookah-doodles work so wonderfully. I am happier vaping.

I have replaced smoking with something much more fun. It's just that simple. How could that NOT work for most people.

Maybe I just need a bit of fun in my dull ole life. There was nothing fun about that gum, or that patch. I don't see a lot of joy in the cold turkey method. (perhaps the pride in giving up smoking but weigh that against the withdrawal symptoms - good luck with that)

I have EASILY replaced smoking in my life with something I enjoy a whole lot more. This works, the mumbo-jumbo crap never did.

You really hit the nail on the head there Randy. His post made me sad too. And it makes me sad that I would never dare post this reply there.

Yes, this is the most effective method to stop smoking. Period. In my humble opinion.
 

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mgordon1100,

I hope they do some official studies as well, but the method you described is nothing more than collecting anecdotal evidence. It may be that if there are enough of these stories it may pique the interest of certain parties and give them the push needed to do a full double-blind study. However, I have a suspicion that PVs will never be given the green light as a "smoking cessation" device by the FDA.
 

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mgordon1100,

I hope they do some official studies as well, but the method you described is nothing more than collecting anecdotal evidence. It may be that if there are enough of these stories it may pique the interest of certain parties and give them the push needed to do a full double-blind study. However, I have a suspicion that PVs will never be given the green light as a "smoking cessation" device by the FDA.

I don't really care if they are classified as a smoking cessation or not. I just want the materials to be available to me for as long as I want. Obviously I'll be able to buy all the VG, Duracells, and food flavoring I want. I have enough knowledge to throw together a make shift vaporizer if I had to, I guess.
 

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I don't really care if they are classified as a smoking cessation or not. I just want the materials to be available to me for as long as I want. Obviously I'll be able to buy all the VG, Duracells, and food flavoring I want. I have enough knowledge to throw together a make shift vaporizer if I had to, I guess.

To build a vaporizer all it takes are some fairly common items, a rudimentary understanding of electronics, and the ability to solder. We agree on that point.

If this is really about "saving lives" (as I'm sure many here believe), wouldn't we want these to become an approved method for smoking cessation? With approval comes acceptance, advertising, and wider availability. This all leads to (hopefully) increased knowledge, use, and more people quitting. Not to mention that a vast majority of Americans won't try anything that hasn't been FDA approved even if there is encyclopedias of anecdotal evidence.
 
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Nate, we are using it without approval. Is it too much for me to expect that anyone can come to the same conclusion that we have? OK, we have proof that there are plenty of people who will go against it based on FDA action. Maybe it's just survival of the fittest? I'll tell as many people about the miracle as I can. It's up to them if they want to listen. I'm nobody's momma.

And Magnus, if they tax a bottle of e-liquid like I'm buying a pack of cigarettes for 10 bucks in some cities, then I'll just have to start mixing my own for sure. They can't tax the raw materials, and by then I'll probably be off of nicotine all together.

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For me that's the reason these hookah-doodles work so wonderfully. I am happier vaping.

I have replaced smoking with something much more fun. It's just that simple. How could that NOT work for most people.

Maybe I just need a bit of fun in my dull ole life. There was nothing fun about that gum, or that patch. I don't see a lot of joy in the cold turkey method. (perhaps the pride in giving up smoking but weigh that against the withdrawal symptoms - good luck with that)

I have EASILY replaced smoking in my life with something I enjoy a whole lot more. This works, the mumbo-jumbo crap never did.

You really hit the nail on the head there Randy. His post made me sad too. And it makes me sad that I would never dare post this reply there.

Yes, this is the most effective method to stop smoking. Period. In my humble opinion.

The funny part is, even at the worst of my depression, I still didn't want a cigarette!
 
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