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Well, idk. You tell me how bad it really is.
Well, I responded. *sigh*
Wow, that's a decent price! Thanks for the info.
I tried a tank-style cart but didn't like it - it didn't flow fast enough to keep the atty wet. I was so excited by the concept, too. Oh well.
Is that really what you read there?
Are you really able to read over the last dozen or so pages and not see people expressing concern, saying they care about you, one right after the other?
O for the gift of brevity! Thank You, MustangSallie!
I doubt you'll ever "get over it." Most of us have things we'll never get over, wrongs that were done us, that no matter what Oprah says, always will, in a way, define us, because of all the consequent and subsequent events.
Too often, I see people who, like me, have lived long and very varied lives, claim that the wrongs done to THEM are so much worse than those done to others present, people who, through no fault of their own, have spent their whole lives among one culture, in one geographic region, maybe even speaking one language, and I'm sorry to say that my fellow old people are sometimes not very kind to these younger folks, and even belittle them because they have not known this hardship, witnessed - or experienced - that atrocity.
They'll imply, but more often state directly, that whatever wrong was done to that younger person is inherently a lesser thing, as if there were some International Table of the Hierarchy of Wrongs, and therefore should not be complained about, because no one who has not known (insert preferred hardship and/or atrocity here) has any business complaining about anything,.
They are saying "get over it we don't want to hear about it or really care."
I'm sorry that it happens, to tell the truth, sometimes it makes me feel ashamed for my fellow old person, and I think "how can they fail to empathize with this poor creature? Has their suffering not made them more sensitive to the pain of others?"
Well, then I laugh at myself, because that's my heart saying that.
My head knows that while we all - well, most of us, like to think of ourselves as at least reasonably capable of empathy, or at least compassion, but the ability to actually put ourselves in someone else's shoes, and really see the world through their eyes - understand their reality - is fairly rare, and most of the people who are really good at it are too busy writing screenplays to tell us what it's like or how we can get it.
I make a distinction between "getting over" a wrong that was done, and claiming back the part of us the wrong took from us.
When we let the entity that wronged us, or the wrong itself, keep the part of us that was taken, guess what happens? That greedy wrong will keep on taking more and more of us, and the more of us it gets, the less is left for ourselves, the less is left of ourselves.
So in a way, I'm saying the opposite of "get over it. I'm telling you to claim back what it took from you, and stop giving it another little piece and another little piece.
You've told us you're a couple of weeks away from seeing a doctor, and asking if there is any legitimate medical reason that you can't use a zero nicotine e-cigarette.
Do you realize that whether he says yes or no, that will effectively drop a huge anvil on the head of the wrong that was done you?
If he says you can, then you get yourself an e-cigarette and puff 0-nicotine banana pie or orange creamsicle, or whatever you want.
That won't undo the suffering you endured, but it will end the suffering you're going through now.
If he says that for some reason specific to your condition, inhaling flavored water vapor would hurt you, then that would have been the case 2 years ago as well, so the wrong that was done you becomes a wrong in theory only.
It's still a wrong - the doctor should have told you that e-cigarettes existed - but for some reason specific to your condition, inhaling flavored water vapor would hurt you.
But the suffering you endured will not have been unnecessary suffering that occurred because of that wrong. That will give you, to use the popular modern term, "closure."
You might still feel envy, and resentment, but it will undergo a material change, and a change of cause - you'll feel those things because of your medical condition, in the same way I feel envy and resentment because I can't join friends for a drive up to the lake, attend the dance recital of a young family member, or because I won't get to take her shopping for her wedding dress, I won't see, at least in the only way I can comprehend now, the face of the boy she chooses or my pearls around her neck the day she marries him, or her baby bump, or the baby, or because I can't go shopping at the mall now, or even eat a box of chocolate eclairs. Ever.
Now clearly, if we start treating our medical conditions, especially ones that that aren't even the result of deliberately inflicted harm, as wrongs that were done us, and giving all of ourselves piece by piece, over to them, we are going to be in really sad shape real soon!
It's a cliche, but no matter how many years we live, life is too short.
We can spend that short time letting our misfortunes siphon us like gas out of a car tank, sip by sip, until there's nothing left, or we can spend it appreciating the absurdity of our planet and its residents, engaging in conscious and deliberate fun-seeking behavior, and enjoying the hell out of every minute of the good days, and hoping that those Days We Hope Will Be Better Tomorrow will, well, be better tomorrow.
Go do something nice for yourself today. Have some fun on purpose!
Thanks very much guys for helping me out. Many of you came right over and posted your opinions and I appreciate the help.
I'm trying to think of a way to make it easier for you guys to see these posts so you can comment perhaps making it easier for the poster to see your response while they still may be online instead of me finding them later.
I'm trying to think of a way to make it easier for you guys to see these posts so you can comment perhaps making it easier for the poster to see your response while they still may be online instead of me finding them later.
Is that really what you read there?
*SNIP*
You've told us you're a couple of weeks away from seeing a doctor, and asking if there is any legitimate medical reason that you can't use a zero nicotine e-cigarette.
Do you realize that whether he says yes or no, that will effectively drop a huge anvil on the head of the wrong that was done you?
If he says you can, then you get yourself an e-cigarette and puff 0-nicotine banana pie or orange creamsicle, or whatever you want.
That won't undo the suffering you endured, but it will end the suffering you're going through now.
It's still a wrong - the doctor should have told you that e-cigarettes existed - but for some reason specific to your condition, inhaling flavored water vapor would hurt you.
*SNIP*
It's a cliche, but no matter how many years we live, life is too short.
We can spend that short time letting our misfortunes siphon us like gas out of a car tank, sip by sip, until there's nothing left, or we can spend it appreciating the absurdity of our planet and its residents, engaging in conscious and deliberate fun-seeking behavior, and enjoying the hell out of every minute of the good days, and hoping that those Days We Hope Will Be Better Tomorrow will, well, be better tomorrow.
Go do something nice for yourself today. Have some fun on purpose!
It is likely your doctor who I think is the same one who never told you about ecigs is likely going to tell you that they are "dangerous unregulated device" and they have anti-freeze in the liquids.
On the 99% chance he does this ask him how in the world could food grade flavorings and kosher pg harm you"?
PG. It is in the inhalers you use everyday and in just about everything you eat, ask him if he's read the long term studies done on inhaling pg and it's utter safety.
Should he still not ok it for you I suggest you find a more enlightened doctor, buy yourself an eGo and vape some 0 nic in chocolate rasberry truffle and tell everyone who doesn't like it to kiss your ....
You have to do what feels best for you!
Forget everyone in any forum do what works for Beth!
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also forget that passive aggressive bs it ain't working for you or us!
C.B.
I'm sorry I didn't get the message earlier XBB.
I'm sure any one of us are more than willing to help out when you need us.
Just shine the "Good Deed Posse" signal light in the sky and we shall fly right over!
We can fly you know?
C.B.
I'm sure any one of us are more than willing to help out when you need us.
Just shine the "Good Deed Posse" signal light in the sky and we shall fly right over!
We can fly you know?
C.B.
"The old drunk"
I've always thought of her as the God Warrior, but I think I might like your name better.
It's darn cold here today, the heating is barely warming the house. Brrr.
I know you guys are having a heat wave, it's even made the news here, I almost envy you.
I need a hot breakfast, like porridge or something.
Cheers
We could have used your skills down here in Hobart yesterday, Madman.
200 zombies on the loose.
Here is some video from last year's march
Cheers
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Is that the one that I've sometimes wondered if she might be a "ringer," maybe for a pharmaceutical company?"The old drunk"
I've always thought of her as the God Warrior...
I can't always tell if she's wording things the way she does out of the zeal and fervor of her beliefs, or as a result of having taken copious notes at a workshop.
Your post there gave me a good laugh!
Me, too. If they came to me for advice, I'd suggest they look to their affirmations and meditations to help them power through any urges or cravings to mess with MustangSallie.
The "old drunk" (if I'm correct in interpreting Phonedude's words) is the person who posts as "Evelyn." She used to post a lot, generally somewhat incoherently, but then backed off, presumably after receiving a warning. Her most recent rants should really see her banned, but she probably won't be.
I called her the God Warrior in a post some time back, because she reminded me of this lady. (I've posted this link before, but possibly before you found us, lolady.)
Cheers
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If one of the chief complaints is about the thread(s) going on here about what has taken place over at QSMB, wouldn't that logic follow that if the "other side" were doing the same thing and be equally as reprehensible?
No, I'm thinking of another one. She uses a lot of memes, (as do I, and blatantly) and some of her writing smells a little like boilerplate, but then I can't even smell pineapple e-cigarettes, so I could be terribly wrong, and owe her a HUGE apology for even thinking such a thing.
I don't need to click, I know who God Warrior is, I saw the episode!
We the Aged and Infirm tend to watch a LOT of TV (she said, as if she had not watched almost as much since the first crude black and white ones were discovered)
Well, I will tell you, I have wondered just what kind of firestorm would rain down upon the heads of the Good Deed Posse should they commence to traipsing into threads where people were getting help and support for their Cold Turkey process, and proceed to suggest that the helpee jet over to litecigusa and get a $10 electric hookah-doodle and a Special Wall Rodent, you know, just to give that a shot...
Because the last few times I have, against my best judgment, peeked in over there, I see Meme Warrior pop up in just about every thread in the e-cigarette
It reminds me of Cotton Mather sermons. (No offense to Xtreme Cage Match Calvinists intended)
I may be a little late coming to the game, but there seems to be some people from the Q that have yet another board where they vent. If the chief complaint they originally had was the thread here at ECF, making a similar thread/environment off the Q to perform the same function should be equally as repugnant, should it not?
Just the age-old philosophy that says it is OK for our tribe to do something, but not OK for your tribe to do it. Because our tribe is bestest.
I can't speak for ClayK, I was doing nothing but self-indulgent venting. I am being way too snarky today, it happens to be one where I needed to take an extra pill, I waited too long to do that, and now I must wait for it to kick in, in a less than comfortable state.
There were so many times I wanted to do just that, but refrained. In the light of what eventually befell me I regret not having done so.
Now I need to go and read about Cotton Mather... I've heard the name but that's about all. (Maybe he's not well known to Aussies, he's certainly not well known to this one.)
Wikipedia, here I come.
Cheers
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