E-Cigarette Forum Discussion Thread

[phonedude]

Bingo! You hit the nail squarely on the head on all points.
I would be very irritable too if I had that kind of fear constantly hanging over my head.

Isn't that the truth. I was going to say I couldn't even imagine the struggle, but actually I can. I bet most of us who tried CT and the BP NRT products can relate. I actually remember struggling every day to not buy a pack of smokes. And for me it would get worse with time instead of easier. I never could figure that part out. But eventually I would just cave and buy a pack.

I'm not saying those methods don't work. I know several people they worked for just fine. Just not me for some reason. (Thanks to this forum I am beginning to understand that "reason" a little better)

I am very happily not smoking these days. When I go in a convenience store I don't even notice those rows and rows of cigarettes. That used to be particularly hard for me.

I'm just glad those days are gone. At least for me. Life is too short for all that nonsense.

 

[ShannonA]

boy, without bumping the ecig posts fell like a rock over at QSMB.... figured as much <sigh>

Speaking of "medicinal" tobacco, I wonder if anybody has thoughts on "organic" tobacco, grown at home without weird chemicals?

When I was checking out seedman's flavors I discovered a wealth of knowledge regarding home-grown tobacco, apparently very easy if you have a climate which will support tomatoes/peppers. Even Alaska customers have reported success. Just curious if anybody has heard of a compare/contrast between chemical-commercial-tobacco and this home-grown stuff?

I like the idea of homegrown tobacco... not sure how much difference it makes because I don't know the details of how the nicotine is extracted. It sounds like an improvement in theory so long as I'm not growing it. I can't even be induced to plant my own tomatoes... I keep saying "next year".

I fourth that.

can't wait to see who chimes in after seven.

I'm going to throw a wrench in it and say I think I am... not as addicted as some maybe but when you drop down to 10mg and then your pv suddenly becomes an extension of your hand? Yeah there's some kind of dependence there. I'm still certain the action is more important to me than the drug. I do still get the "something's missing" feeling also but its not unbearable and certainly not strong enough to make me light one up.

The thing is, they have essentially adopted what appears to be an AA approach to quitting smoking.
And they have adopted all that comes with that.

In the case of nicotine, I think that approach is severely misguided.
And in some cases, for some people, downright dangerous.

To this day I still don't know what Fred was thinking or what he wanted to become of all this.
It is one of the puzzles in my life that I may never solve.

I don't even care what Fred was thinking. If he wasn't going to treat us fairly he should've just asked us to leave. Sure its his board, his rules but why let people on your board just so they can be punching bags? Seriously

 

[Neriah]

I joined over just wanting to quit smoking.

I never thought real intently about the 'stuff in the cigs'.

It was all 'bad' with nicotine being the most well known.

I always just thought I was hooked on the nicotine.

Now, I am not so sure what in them I was hooked on.

I came off the nicotine part while being high on cough syrup.

My struggle after that was relearning to live without having to light up for this or that.

I never liked smoking.

I am still bewildered by people who say that they do like to smoke or miss it.

In the end, I hope to never figure it out. I don't want to smoke or vap.

I'll probably get my q-card repressed for saying this, but honestly, I would rather see someone vaping than smoking.

I am sure there will be some health concerns with vaping but at this point it is a whole lot better option than smoking.

The Q board helped me at a crucial point in my journey, so there is good there.

I learned about alternatives from you folks here, so that is good thing too.


Life isn't black or white- its a whole lot of shades of grey.

 

[Randyrtx]

Well said, Neriah!

 

[kristin]

Oh, I know how they feel. I know how most of the ECF feels. I am looking for the official position, although I guess it probably doesn't matter now that I think about it. If everyone knows how they feel, it might as well be the official position.

Well, this was in our most recent press release:

(CASAA Medical Director Dr. Theresa) Whitt charged that the NEJM article inflates both the dangers of nicotine itself and the effectiveness of FDA-approved smoking-cessation treatments. "Smoke, not nicotine, is the problem," she stated. "Tar, carbon monoxide, particulates, and thousands of chemicals created by the process of combustion cause the smoking-related cancers, heart, and lung disease."

"Current dosage limits on FDA-approved Nicotine Replacement Therapy products are a major reason why these products are so ineffective," stated Dr. Whitt. "When used as directed, these products have a 93% failure rate at six months, growing to a 98% failure rate in less than two years after treatment."

CASAA.org


Pretty clear about CASAA's position!

 

[MustangSallie]

The Q board helped me at a crucial point in my journey, so there is good there.

Life isn't black or white- its a whole lot of shades of grey.

I 'm sure that's true. It must be, there are people over there who have quit smoking and are still not smoking, yourself included. I think if we had not felt so attacked, and if they had not felt so invaded maybe we could have learned to co-exist and some of each of us would have rubbed off on the other. Although, maybe not. I don't know, but I do know I agree with what you've just said.

 

[MustangSallie]

Well, this was in our most recent press release:



CASAA.org


Pretty clear about CASAA's position!

Actually, to me it wasn't. Since you just said it is and I know how you feel, it is clear to me now.

 

[Randyrtx]

I 'm sure that's true. It must be, there are people over there who have quit smoking and are still not smoking, yourself included. I think if we had not felt so attacked, and if they had not felt so invaded maybe we could have learned to co-exist and some of each of us would have rubbed off on the other. Although, maybe not. I don't know, but I do know I agree with what you've just said.

I don't think there is any way that e-cigs could have been presented differently that would have made any difference.

 

[ShannonA]

Oh a couple more things. I was in a hurry because I was trying to send some logs out too... I don't think nicotine dependence is such a huge deal. It would be ideal not to be dependent on anything but better nicotine than alcohol or something much worse IMHO.

It's interesting if you were to interview 5 different people on ECF about their views concerning nicotine dependence, harm reduction, quitting act... I'd be willing to bet you'd get 5 slightly different views.

Even Alex (hubby) and I have slightly different views on what we want now that we're off the smokes.

I feel we can and DO make room for all of them and views like Neriah's as well.

The other thing I wanted to add is I too would try juice with WTAs added if it ever comes on the market.

 

[MustangSallie]

Maybe so. It's fine. Any that want to stay and are successful at quitting, maybe their better off. Any that do stay and aren't successful, eventually they will search elsewhere. At least that's the story I have playing in my head, and I'm sticking with it.

 

[MustangSallie]

Hey, I hit 1000 posts. Where was the band and the fanfare?

 

[ShannonA]

I don't think there is any way that e-cigs could have been presented differently that would have made any difference.

I think it could've made SOME difference with SOME people... but yeah there's that core group that was just going to rail against ecigs no matter what.

 

[MustangSallie]

Randy, I know you saw this thread today. Anyone who hasn't really should read, at least the OP.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/207925-things-ive-learned-ecf.html

Funniest post I've read here I think. (sorry Magnus)

 

[ShannonA]

Randy, I know you saw this thread today. Anyone who hasn't really should read, at least the OP.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/207925-things-ive-learned-ecf.html

Funniest post I've read here I think. (sorry Magnus)

That was pricelenss

 

[MadmanMacguyver]

The thing is, they have essentially adopted what appears to be an AA approach to quitting smoking.
And they have adopted all that comes with that.

In the case of nicotine, I think that approach is severely misguided.
And in some cases, for some people, downright dangerous.

To this day I still don't know what Fred was thinking or what he wanted to become of all this.
It is one of the puzzles in my life that I may never solve.

so when does the obligatory head shaving begin...JK...lol over half the guys I know that are or were in AA or NA at some point wound up w shaven heads...or is that simply coinkidink...(BTW no insult intended to any of our AA brethren...but its a strange occurrence I noticed...)


and I strongly agree w Neriahs comment about shades of grey...it's how the world works despite the fact from my viewpoint there are none...to me it is black or white...I have always lived with that certainty...but once again I also know that my point of view is abnormal...

 

[ShannonA]

It appear Magnus is taking a break from this thread... and perhaps Nate too?

 

[ClayK]

Sometimes, just reading is plenty.

 

[DC2]

It appear Magnus is taking a break from this thread... and perhaps Nate too?

Yeah, I noticed that too.

 

[ShannonA]

Sometimes, just reading is plenty.

True... it's just not as funny around here without them.

 

[kristin]

If you guys haven't seen it yet, CASAA's vice president, Elaine Keller (Vocalek on ECF) did a presentation before the FDA panel at TPSAC last Friday. She did an absolutely fantastic job representing us!

Her presentation starts at about 49:55:

https://collaboration.fda.gov/p52343165/?launcher=false&fcsContent=true&pbMode=normal

I recommend anyone interested in tobacco harm reduction (and the attitudes we are up against fighting for e-cigarettes) watch the video above and the video from Thursday, July 21: July 21-22, 2011: TPSAC Meeting Webcast Information

Elaine's presentation also got a mention in the WSJ!