E-cigarettes: A true remedy to quit or teen marketing tool?
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Remember when you started smoking, did you........
buy a pack and smoke the first one? (No)
buy a carton to smoke the first one? (No)
Run around planning to charge batteries, fill cartridges, have replacement whatevers; in this case lighters for cigarettes? (No)
Exactly why this is never going to catch on with teenagers. Smoking is something one begins to do slowly. You bum cigarettes off your friends for a while. Eventually, you buy a pack.. then a carton.... then another carton...
When I consider the difficulty dedicated smokers have in switching to a PV, I do not see how someone could pick this up passively like smoking is picked up. Anyone not already addicted to cigarettes would be bored before that happened, and even if it did happen I seriously question the addictive property of nicotine on it's own. If it were the nicotine alone why do patches and gum not work? Why do I not panic to rush out and hit my PV the way I would panic to go have a cigarette?
Once again, this article says adults are not to enjoy flavors. I guess we should ban all flavored malt beverages, wines, etc, and begin consuming food in pill form like the Jetsons.
buy a pack and smoke the first one? (No)
buy a carton to smoke the first one? (No)
Run around planning to charge batteries, fill cartridges, have replacement whatevers; in this case lighters for cigarettes? (No)
Exactly why this is never going to catch on with teenagers. Smoking is something one begins to do slowly. You bum cigarettes off your friends for a while. Eventually, you buy a pack.. then a carton.... then another carton...
When I consider the difficulty dedicated smokers have in switching to a PV, I do not see how someone could pick this up passively like smoking is picked up. Anyone not already addicted to cigarettes would be bored before that happened, and even if it did happen I seriously question the addictive property of nicotine on it's own. If it were the nicotine alone why do patches and gum not work? Why do I not panic to rush out and hit my PV the way I would panic to go have a cigarette?
Once again, this article says adults are not to enjoy flavors. I guess we should ban all flavored malt beverages, wines, etc, and begin consuming food in pill form like the Jetsons.
I would have thought having a Paypal account or credit card was verification enough that the buyer was 18+. Is there a way around that in the US that I'm not aware of? Teenagers with cheque books sending payment by snail mail? Teens with credit cards? You have to be 18 to get a cc in the UK, and Paypal was a really long, drawn out, pennies deposited in my account process to get verified for me.
I'm with you on this one, HighHeeledGoddess. I started because my friend used to nick a few of his dad's cigs and we'd smoke them. It all progressed from there. Mind you, back in the 70s it was very, very easy to buy cigs over the counter, even at thirteen. One shop back then even used to sell single cigarettes to schoolies - I'm talking about schoolies in uniform.
I could never imagine having become an addict by mail order.
When vaping becomes more popular, and you don't have to rely on mail orders any more, we are bound to see kiddies vaping. And I for one am going to be glad about it, because the little tykes are going to smoke analogs otherwise.
Here, there was this gorgous idea to make sure that kids under 18 couldn't buy cigarettes any more. The result was not less kids smoking - the result was, they smoke illegal Russian cigarettes now. Well, those are bound to be so much healthier than the regular - and at least somewhat regulated - stuff you can legally buy. Cheaper, too, so they can smoke more. As intelligent and useful as "Lights" were a while ago.
Kids are going to smoke anyway. I'd rather have them vape. Particularly since nic on its own is not particularly dangerous.
It's bound to happen, and we should stop crawling up the anti-smokers behind with statements that won't hold water for very long; we are just shooting our own foot with that.
Here, there was this gorgous idea to make sure that kids under 18 couldn't buy cigarettes any more. The result was not less kids smoking - the result was, they smoke illegal Russian cigarettes now. Well, those are bound to be so much healthier than the regular - and at least somewhat regulated - stuff you can legally buy. Cheaper, too, so they can smoke more. As intelligent and useful as "Lights" were a while ago.
Kids are going to smoke anyway. I'd rather have them vape. Particularly since nic on its own is not particularly dangerous.
It's bound to happen, and we should stop crawling up the anti-smokers behind with statements that won't hold water for very long; we are just shooting our own foot with that.
One way or another, I suspect a few will (just because it's a big world...). But I agree--the amount of pre-meditation it takes to get started with e-cigs and the difficulties in getting the technique down seem like deterrents to the casual starters.
This is a solid point. It takes a strong commitment to vape with all of its idiosyncrasies and inconsistencies.
Why don't these newspapers just do some simple surveys with teenagers?
1) Would you rather grab a lighter and smoke up?
2) Would you rather charge batteries, prime atomizers, fill liquid, press a button, and vape?
Also... If they looked at the number of teenagers vaping as opposed to people in the 20+ range, they would see there are VERY few teenagers vaping. In that regard, I know I am in the minority (I'm 19).
1) Would you rather grab a lighter and smoke up?
2) Would you rather charge batteries, prime atomizers, fill liquid, press a button, and vape?
Also... If they looked at the number of teenagers vaping as opposed to people in the 20+ range, they would see there are VERY few teenagers vaping. In that regard, I know I am in the minority (I'm 19).
Someone pointed out to me that anyone can get a pre-paid bank gift card at Walgreens and use that to purchase items online.
True, I said, but what teen is going to go through all of that for an ecig?? And if they are that sneaky, I'd be more worried about what ELSE they are doing! lol
This is exactly why I wrote this article:
7 Biggest Electronic Cigarette Myths - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com
Oh I see. Thanks for the info. Mind you, if they have a credit card for hooky online purchases, I'd be much more worried about them hitting the online pharmacies/alcohol outlets than the e-cig store.
It's a crazy world, isn't it? Here we are trying to use a healthier alternative that has the bonus of lovely flavours, and there they are with ridiculous accusations and worrisome legislation. I've signed the UK petition but I'm getting lots of stock in just iin case.
It's a crazy world, isn't it? Here we are trying to use a healthier alternative that has the bonus of lovely flavours, and there they are with ridiculous accusations and worrisome legislation. I've signed the UK petition but I'm getting lots of stock in just iin case.
I think you hit the nail right on the head with this.
There's just way too much ignorance going into passing this BS legislation.
I remember buying cigarettes for my mom at the local 7-11 when I was 8 years old. Of course I had a note from my mom! Wouldn't have mattered though because I could get them from a vending machine at the gas station too.
They are afraid that teens will be attracted by the fruit and sweet flavors, which will lead them to smoking real cigarettes! Amazing! First of all what teenager would be attracted to ecigs? Probably the same ones who would be attracted to analogs. I would rather see a teen with an ecig, than one with an analog. As for the same teen progressing to the analog after vaping fruit juice and sweet flavours, is comical to say the least. He would not get the flavours in the analogs, so where is the attraction in the analog cigarette? Even if they are addicted to nicotine and maintain the ecig habit. It keeps them from the greater danger of the analog. If these teens did not have the attraction of the ecig, they would most certainly be attracted to something much stronger.I do advocate that sales should be limited to adults, but lets be practical. Some teens will get their hands on an ecig. It is a lesser risk to their health than an analog, or many of the chemicals allowed in society, that are breathed for the sheer desire for a high. In the Indian towns in Canada their are teens who inhale gasoline fumes for a high. Will we ban the sale of gas? Practically speaking the ecig is just a healthier substance than many chemicals that are now available, and used by teens. Maybe the ecig will keep many of them a little safer.
When I started smoking ALL my friends already smoked - I was a late starter actually.
I look around and see, oh yeah NO kids using a PV. I see lots smkoing though.
Teens are like sheep (been there done that dont tell me how you aren't because even the rebels are rebels within limits or in a gang of other rebels), so to have one use a PV, while all their friends smoked, or used nothing, would be about as likely as our next President being openly gay and living with his partner in the whitehouse.
Do these legislators even remember being a teen?
Teens want to be like other teens, and most teens wouldn't touch a PV with a 10 foot pole.
PVs have already gone into public conciousness as 'something old smokers use', not unlike a pipe (how many teens do you see puffing away on a pipe?). Teens want to be hiip n cool - something a PV is not, despite the fact its a gadget its also a gadget 'my mom uses'. No teen wants something that might put them in the same category as their parents.
I remember really liking a drink my mom drank (I was of legal age btw) but I wasn't going to ever order it because SHE had it, and it made me feel as old as she was. I idn't want anyone thinking I liked an older married woman's drink. Logical no, teenager-logical yes.
I look around and see, oh yeah NO kids using a PV. I see lots smkoing though.
Teens are like sheep (been there done that dont tell me how you aren't because even the rebels are rebels within limits or in a gang of other rebels), so to have one use a PV, while all their friends smoked, or used nothing, would be about as likely as our next President being openly gay and living with his partner in the whitehouse.
Do these legislators even remember being a teen?
Teens want to be like other teens, and most teens wouldn't touch a PV with a 10 foot pole.
PVs have already gone into public conciousness as 'something old smokers use', not unlike a pipe (how many teens do you see puffing away on a pipe?). Teens want to be hiip n cool - something a PV is not, despite the fact its a gadget its also a gadget 'my mom uses'. No teen wants something that might put them in the same category as their parents.
I remember really liking a drink my mom drank (I was of legal age btw) but I wasn't going to ever order it because SHE had it, and it made me feel as old as she was. I idn't want anyone thinking I liked an older married woman's drink. Logical no, teenager-logical yes.
Being the father of an 18 yr old,I helped a few of my son's friends get e-cigs in the hopes that they would lay down the analogs. What I found is they don't have the patience or the self discipline to be able to stick to it. They'd do it for a week or two & then I see them outside smoking. A couple were too embarrassed to face me,the others just couldn't keep up with their equipment or broke them. So it's just easier for them to get & smoke analogs. They don't get the "saving money" thing, so they're sure not gonna get the health issues.
I still have them come by & say "When I get some money,I'm gonna order one of those".
They're more interested in E-cig to look cool,rather than protecting their health. They're 18,bullet-proof & gonna live forever & no matter how much you counsel them, until someone close to them dies or gets severely ill,they don't get it.
I still have them come by & say "When I get some money,I'm gonna order one of those".
They're more interested in E-cig to look cool,rather than protecting their health. They're 18,bullet-proof & gonna live forever & no matter how much you counsel them, until someone close to them dies or gets severely ill,they don't get it.
The people who are really concerned about teen use (and don't just have an agenda) are worried that kids who OTHERWISE WOULDN'T SMOKE would be tempted by ecigs and then hooked on nicotine. Then it's easier for them to switch to tobacco smoking.
Unfortunately, they are greatly misguided and forgetting a few facts:
1. Teens who otherwise wouldn't smoke would typically have no interest in sucking ANYTHING into their lungs.
2. Teens want DVDs, ipods, clothes, video games, movies, theme parks and junk food. They DON'T want to spend their money on a device meant for their parents.
3. If ecigs are declared tobacco products, they will automnatically be barred from sale to minors.
4. If a teen DOES want to smoke, it's easier to get tobacco cigarettes. If they choose an ecig, at least it's not as bad for them. But if they don't choose an ecig, they'd otherwise be SMOKING.
5. Nicotine gum is available over the counter in all sorts of fruity flavors. No one is trying to ban those to "save the children." Kids don't see ecigs as any different.
6. Kids perceive ecigs as a way for grown ups to be healthier and safer. That makes them about as attractive as a bottle of chocolate-flavored Ensure. Because ecigs claim to eliminate the danger of tobacco, that greatly reduces the allure. No danger = no thrill.
7. Studies show teens typically start smoking because of stress, the influences of their siblings, parents and friends and accessibility. Ask any teen (or adult smoker) if they started smoking because of an advertisement and they will tell you NO. More often than not, their friends had cigarettes.
8. The most popular cigarette flavor among teens are Newport, Marlborough and Camel. Even when flavored cigarettes were legal, they only made up 2% of the total market. So even flavored cigarettes didn't attract teens in great numbers, so why would a flavored reduced harm product be any more attractive?
9. Ecigs taste good. Tobacco tastes bad. The likelihood of a teen starting on ecigs and switching to the foul taste of tobacco is extremely low. If anything, the ecigs would turn them OFF to tobacco.
10. Ecigs take too much work. Teens are lazy. (No offense - I have two teens, myself! lol!)
Unfortunately, they are greatly misguided and forgetting a few facts:
1. Teens who otherwise wouldn't smoke would typically have no interest in sucking ANYTHING into their lungs.
2. Teens want DVDs, ipods, clothes, video games, movies, theme parks and junk food. They DON'T want to spend their money on a device meant for their parents.
3. If ecigs are declared tobacco products, they will automnatically be barred from sale to minors.
4. If a teen DOES want to smoke, it's easier to get tobacco cigarettes. If they choose an ecig, at least it's not as bad for them. But if they don't choose an ecig, they'd otherwise be SMOKING.
5. Nicotine gum is available over the counter in all sorts of fruity flavors. No one is trying to ban those to "save the children." Kids don't see ecigs as any different.
6. Kids perceive ecigs as a way for grown ups to be healthier and safer. That makes them about as attractive as a bottle of chocolate-flavored Ensure. Because ecigs claim to eliminate the danger of tobacco, that greatly reduces the allure. No danger = no thrill.
7. Studies show teens typically start smoking because of stress, the influences of their siblings, parents and friends and accessibility. Ask any teen (or adult smoker) if they started smoking because of an advertisement and they will tell you NO. More often than not, their friends had cigarettes.
8. The most popular cigarette flavor among teens are Newport, Marlborough and Camel. Even when flavored cigarettes were legal, they only made up 2% of the total market. So even flavored cigarettes didn't attract teens in great numbers, so why would a flavored reduced harm product be any more attractive?
9. Ecigs taste good. Tobacco tastes bad. The likelihood of a teen starting on ecigs and switching to the foul taste of tobacco is extremely low. If anything, the ecigs would turn them OFF to tobacco.
10. Ecigs take too much work. Teens are lazy. (No offense - I have two teens, myself! lol!)
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And, like newbutt mentioned, don't forget that teens break and lose things. Do you KNOW how many XBox headsets and cell phones I've replaced over the last 3 years between two teenage boys??? 
Nah, a pack of cigarettes that went through the washer in a jeans pocket is a lot easier to replace.
Nah, a pack of cigarettes that went through the washer in a jeans pocket is a lot easier to replace.
OMG!!! I KNOW!! I've replaced my 16 year old's cell phone so many times, the cell phone insurance company DROPPED his coverage! And don't get me started on the headsets, not to mention two didgeridoos and two guitars!!And, like newbutt mentioned, don't forget that teens break and lose things. Do you KNOW how many XBox headsets and cell phones I've replaced over the last 3 years between two teenage boys???
Awww...very sweet of you to say. But the advantage of internet avatars is the ability to use a 4 year old photo - before my baby girl was born & I got pudgy. But my hubby still thinks I'm sexy and that's what matters, lol!I love this woman! Smart & beautiful
I'm gonna have to lose a few pounds before Vapefest!! 8-o(Although, I do like to think I've got some brains at least, lol!)
I didn't even bother to put mine on a plan. I go with one of the pre-paid providers. A small flat fee gives me the ability to pay 10 cents per minute and the phones are dirt cheap for the most part. I think the last one I replaced cost me a little over $20.00 with tax.
And to keep this post at least somewhat on topic,
I wish TPTB would get over this thing with flavors and bright colors. Like we adults don't enjoy them too? Does that mean that if the manufacturers made all gray equipment and put out flavors like liver and onions or brussel sprouts that they'd leave us alone? 
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