E-cigarettes are not a simple cure all

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sherid

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Here's a particularly virulent article about e cigarettes.
E-cigarettes are not a simple cure all
Hunter Rhoades


Between chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, several types of cancer, emphysema, chronic bronchitis, stroke and even cataracts, diseases contracted from cigarette smoking are the single most preventable cause of death in the United States and are some of the top players in the worldwide death rate.

Cigarette smoking causes 87 percent of lung cancer deaths, and is even responsible for a varied array of cancers such as kidney, pancreatic, cervical, esophageal and even bladder cancer. Reading such facts used to make me wonder - if smoking is so bad, what are we doing to combat it? How are we helping those who are addicted and ill, or those that may become smokers?
E-cigarettes are not a simple cure all - Medical Incredible

Here is my comment:
I guess the writer must be an anti-smoker, otherwise he would not have presented inaccurate facts. First, the average price of an electronic cigarette is not $100. It is about $50, less than a carton of cigarettes. The drug companies have a primitive version of the e cig called the Nicotrol inhaler. It runs about $250, not including the doctor's visit to get a prescription. Secondly, the FDA is not confiscating all e cigs, since many e smokers have recently gotten shipments from overseas. One can walk into a gas station and buy NRT's including nicotine gum and lozenges without being carded. A 12 year old could buy them. E cigarettes contain nicotine, just as the gums and lozenges do. As for safety, the FDA allowed Chantix to enter the market. It has led to the suicides of over 100 people and is still available for sale although it does now have a black box warning. Smokers choose e cigarettes because they replicate the smoking experience minus the known toxins of setting anything on fire and then inhaling it. That, of course, includes BBQ's, fireplaces, and campfires. Children can purchase energy drinks laced with high levels of caffeine. My guess is that those are probably not very healthy, but that does not mean they should be banned. Wake up, America. Start taking charge of your own choices. Do not allow the government, the FDA, or even this journalist to make those choices for you. Electronic cigarettes are a wise alternative to smoking cigarettes.
 

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sherid ... A *majority* of marketed ecigs (ones seen in the public eye -- mall kiosks, etc...) are over that $100 mark ... more in tune with $150 ... $150 ecigs and $50 ecigs average out at about $100 ;)

Interesting article ... I'm not entirely sure what studies they are referring to in the UK/EU. Caffeine doesn't have the impact Nicotine will if a kid gets a hold of it ... You have to remember, we are dealing with one of the most lethal killers in the world ... Nicotine. Drop a single drop of pure nicotine on your skin and you're dead within seconds ...
 

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I somewhat respectfully disagree. I have never seen a mall kiosk selling e cigs. The malls that do sell them are generally in big cities, and I guess I don't live in a city big enough to qualify. I know of only two cities in Ohio where they are sold in malls. I believe that is probably true of the majority of Americans who do not buy e cigs in malls. Interestingly, I saw two models for sale last weekend in a country gas station: Ruyan Jazz and KRAVE by SE. Both were under $25. Despite the presence of many on this board who do buy expensive models, there are more people who buy kits like the DSE901 and other models for $50 or under at least in the beginning. It would, however, be interesting to see an accounting of all e cigs sold and the median price. As for the caffeine in energy drinks, I stand by that. I don't know of anyone who has pure, undiluted nicotine on hand, but it is a poison to be handled with extreme care just like household chemicals present in nearly every home that could easily kill a child. Poison control gets a lot of calls about this problem when parents are irresponsible about storing such chemicals.
 

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I somewhat respectfully disagree. I have never seen a mall kiosk selling e cigs. The malls that do sell them are generally in big cities, and I guess I don't live in a city big enough to qualify. I know of only two cities in Ohio where they are sold in malls. I believe that is probably true of the majority of Americans who do not buy e cigs in malls. Interestingly, I saw two models for sale last weekend in a country gas station: Ruyan Jazz and KRAVE by SE. Both were under $25. Despite the presence of many on this board who do buy expensive models, there are more people who buy kits like the DSE901 and other models for $50 or under at least in the beginning. It would, however, be interesting to see an accounting of all e cigs sold and the median price. As for the caffeine in energy drinks, I stand by that. I don't know of anyone who has pure, undiluted nicotine on hand, but it is a poison to be handled with extreme care just like household chemicals present in nearly every home that could easily kill a child. Poison control gets a lot of calls about this problem when parents are irresponsible about storing such chemicals.

they sold them in my old mall, which is in a small to medium size city.
 

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I posted a comment, but decided to be more general, and not to dissect the article's inaccuracies.

It is truly amazing that you would publish such nonsense when you clearly know nothing about the subject - or are so biased that you cannot get past it.

You're right about one thing: cigarettes kill. They are responsible for over 400,000 deaths each year. Some other facts: the longterm success rate for quiting is now known to be well under 10%. That includes all methods, including nicotine replacement therapy.

Nicotine is not what kills smokers. It's the 4000 other components, tar and carcinogens.

For the large majority of smokers who want to quit and have been unable to with FDA approved methods, there is simply no reason not to try e-cigarettes. Yes, we still remain addicted to nicotine, although e-cigarettes can be used with no nicotine, and some of us strive to reduce and ultimately eliminate our dependence on it.

The other ingredients of e-cigarettes are flavors to make it palatable (FDA approved) and propylene glycol or glycerin - both of which are present not only in cigarettes but in hundreds of OTC products.

As a former chainsmoker who failed to quit using all the FDA approved methods and stopped easily with e-cigarettes, it's a "no-brainer": no one will stop me from using e-cigarettes. I will take my chances on e-cigs, even without longterm, scientifically validated studies. I choose to save my life.

Dr. Joel Nitzkin, chairman of the Tobacco Control Task Force for the American Association of Public Health Physicians states that if every American smoker switched to e-cigs, smoking related deaths would likely be cut to near zero. Dr. Michael Siegel, who has been involved with tobacco control for over 20 years, also sees e-cigs as a lifesaver for smokers who cannot quit.

Your article and conclusion is unjustified nonsense.
 
Interesting article, thank you! I've been browsing the 'net and posted myself to another article/blog that contained some similar misinformation. I'm trying to avoid the appearance of a flame-war or pile-on, so I've been selective while wanted to get involved at some level of the debate. Ultimately though it's bound to come to lines being drawn. I appreciate the respectful and thoughtful tone on this board!

To which and having said that, that article is full of b-s! :D

1. Availability - I searched and called around quite a bit in Northern California and couldn't find any suppliers when I was looking a month ago. It may be in every mall or 7-11 in other states but they aren't universally and easily available as yet.

2. Caffeine and nicotine - anyone of any age can self-administer and medicate with high doses of caffeine without any age restriction or regulation.

I have nothing against coffee or those who drink it. I still drink a cup here and there. I do feel like there's a contradiction in how the relative risk factors are handled when dealing with caffeine and nicotine. Nicotine is regulated and taxed. I would assume that as long as money can be drawn into the right pockets through taxation, tobacco cigarettes will be available.

This quote says it all from that article:

"However, could the inventors of this new drug truly be so altruistic? "

The "inventors of this NEW drug"....? :confused:

The only invention in that piece is the faulty logic and inaccurate information, which isn't new unfortunately.
 

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Ramblin,
Great comments! I also posted a reply:
As a former smoker and avid e-cigarette user I must say that I am disappointed in your lack of research on the topic. For anyone reading the above article, a simple search for "ecigarette study" will reveal many different tests performed by independent laboratories. Many manufacturers of esmoking liquids (e-liquids) freely list their ingredients on their websites.
The full ingredient list from one major supplier reads as follows:
Propylene Glycol
Glycerol
Distilled water
Nicotine
Vegetable Glycerin
Natural and Artificial flavor

I'm not going to say that vaping is "safe". However, it is absurd to believe that it could be more dangerous than inhaling the fumes of burning plants laced with chemicals and preservatives. After only a few days of vaping, I found I could breathe, smell and taste better than I had been able to in the 15+ years I had been smoking.
I no longer smell like a cigarette nor do I bother anyone else with 2nd hand smoke. I am not addicted to cigarettes, I am addicted to nicotine. Take my ecig away, and I'll go right back to cigarettes.
This is a product FOR smokers. Nobody is asking you to buy, or even try one... All I am asking is for you not to take mine away.


After posting, it said it would have to be approved before being posted... I wonder if you got censored... Interesting.
 

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I posted this:



You would think that non-smokers (as apparently this journalist is) would embrace the concept of ecigs; NO smell, NO second hand smoke, NO littering.
As this journalist made clear, money motivates. The big Tobacco and Pharmaceutical companies stand to loose a LOT of money over these (which are extremely effective, by the way, even if you are not trying to quit), to say nothing of all the revenues that will be lost from taxation on tobacco products by the government.
Is it any wonder that many false claims and 'Scare Tactics' are being spread?
Think about it. Why are they so popular if they don't work?
I bought mine so we could smoke at the Resort we like to visit that is Non Smoking.
Guess what? We have both quit smoking without even trying! AND we don't even miss smoking!
I would say that is a Miracle.
These will save millions of lives.
[FONT="]I smell kickback. Research before you report.

I will send a letter to the editor if it is not posted
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Have a cite for that (the 'dead within seconds', that is)? LD50 for humans, from what information I've found online, is 0.5-1.0 mg/kg.

Right, and this is for oral toxicity. Dermal toxicity will be much higher. I can't find any info for human dermal toxicity, but for a rabbit it is 50 mg/kg.

I can't find any info about "dropping dead in minutes" from dermal exposure of "a single drop of pure nicotine ".

Of course nicotine is toxic and should be handled with caution, but I think a source should be cited when making comments like that.
 
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