e-cigs all over the news here... I'm so sc**w*d

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tchavei

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So it was bound to happen, I knew it was coming... so WHO released that report not a week ago and suddenly I see e-cig reports all over the news. God, what a bunch of misinformed people although it wasn't as bad as I expected it to be:

- Story on e-cig shops and e-cigs in general, talking about flavors and the reduced cost (A store owner mentioned going from €130 monthly expense down to €15... yeah sure... if you vape 30ml per month and don't buy shiny mods but ok, I accept that)

- Interview with a pulmonologist who stated that there are a lot more of toxic compounds being released into the air than initially promoted and that there are not enough studies to show long term effect on vaping or secondary vapor but, if it comes out that e-cigs aren't as bad as analogs then they can be used as medical devices to reduce tobacco harm... ok, its true. I just didn't like the emphasis that doc put on those "toxic compounds" being absorbed and released and that stuff about "its not as harmless as everybody states"

- interview with the portuguese "WHO" representative... didn't go as bad as I was expecting... the guy basically insisted on control to keep children to get drawn into it, forbid it at closed public places and basically give it the same treatment as to smokers. I confess I agree and follow the rules anyway, I only vape where you can smoke. it doesn't make sense vaping in a non smokers restaurant for me. The guy wasn't to crazy about killing it for good. He did mention that regulation was needed to control quality and components of the e-juices.

- another general story about e-cigs ended with the interviewer drawing on a ce4 carto and an ego producing a tiny puff (which can be good or bad for public perception... time will tell)

So after all those stories, I today went to lunch to one of my favorite restaurants, and one of the waiters says to me: "So, they want to forbid this stuff in restaurants? Why? It doesn't smell of bother anyone else..?" So I say, well because some people just push it and make a cloud contest out of it and its kinda understandable that a non-vaper or non-smoker don't want to lunch in a room full of haze, I don't have a problem with it, I still vape at the door's restaurant like I always do. So he replies "Haze? thats such a tiny amount of vapor nobody can possibly be bothered by that can they?" I laughed... "You saw the interviewer last night didn't you?" It all comes down to the device you use. Anyway, secondary vape might be completely harmless or maybe not. Time will tell. I decide what I do with my health but I shouldn't be able to decide what I do to the health to others so I vape outside.

Knowing my government and given all the hype that now has come to public, I expect them to find a way to tax e-juices starting january... wanna bet?

When people started to smoke natural tobacco leafs a few years ago, the government got a hint of it last year (some stories on the news channels) and they started to tax natural tobacco leafs last january... 50% tax plus 10 or 12 cents per gramm... drove most suppliers right out of business... e-juice will be next.

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Inevitable. No need to panic though. It's going to go through sensationalism because e-cigs and all that goes with them impacts Big Tobacco, government kickbacks from BT, etc. In all fairness, media is always scrounging for SOMETHING to sell news and e-cigs happens to be the item of the hour. The EC industry is just too big and moving too fast though. They WILL tax juice. They WILL eventually tax all the gear and prohibit indoor vaping. It is not the end of the vape movement, culture, success or even your participation. It will be uncomfortable and the taxes will suck, yes. Same as me paying taxes on my alimony - but I get enough benefit out of my alimony to make it worth sucking up the taxes!

You are not screwed. You just live in a tax happy, media spin-doctoring culture. What is sad is that I have seen more "studies" about vaping come out in the past month than ebola, AIDS, cancer, MS, or any other REAL health threat or epidemic. Influenza (which is now once again making its back-to-school rounds through my work, recently pouncing on yours truly) effects and kills more people yearly than vaping has proven to and yet people hand me their dirty money all day while coughing and saying "Oh, I am just so sick today...." It makes me want to blow a big cloud in their face. But I don't vape anymore and I would probably get fired and arrested. Backwards? Yes. Just saying.
 

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I laughed this morning when I was reading the news on our local TV station website. I was instantly drawn to a particular story because I saw "e-cigs" in the title. The first thing in the story was an interview with a lady who runs a local tobacco store. She was ranting how regulations are needed to protect the kids, because the flavors were enticing them to develop a lifelong smoking habit. THIS WAS A TOBACCO STORE OWNER! Very obvious what we're up against. They only want to protect their own interests since she, too, is in the pocket of the big tobacco companies.
 

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I laughed this morning when I was reading the news on our local TV station website. I was instantly drawn to a particular story because I saw "e-cigs" in the title. The first thing in the story was an interview with a lady who runs a local tobacco store. She was ranting how regulations are needed to protect the kids, because the flavors were enticing them to develop a lifelong smoking habit. THIS WAS A TOBACCO STORE OWNER! Very obvious what we're up against. They only want to protect their own interests since she, too, is in the pocket of the big tobacco companies.
Haha! "Won't someone please think of the children!" I mean if they are enticed by the nice flavours available for vaping, who is going to buy my wholesome, child friendly tobacco!

What a joke of a woman [emoji1]
 

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Yeah but I was somehow hoping that the subject would remain "undercover" for a few more time around here... Now I have to stock up liters of e-juice in my freezer before all hell breaks loose... 5L should be enough for almost three years though... enough time to cut the nic level and eventually only vape 0mg...damm tax suckers grrrr

PS: they said that they wanted to have regulation out in the EU by 2016 but I'm sure the government here will come up with at least taxes way sooner

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Yeah but I was somehow hoping that the subject would remain "undercover" for a few more time around here... Now I have to stock up liters of e-juice in my freezer before all hell breaks loose... 5L should be enough for almost three years though... enough time to cut the nic level and eventually only vape 0mg...damm tax suckers grrrr

PS: they said that they wanted to have regulation out in the EU by 2016 but I'm sure the government here will come up with at least taxes way sooner

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Ah it will totally suck if the EU regs pass, but I just recently learned that Totally Wicked are mounting a legal case against them! I think the regulations will fall apart under legal scrutiny, so there is still hope!
 

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