Well, I don't know if it will pass through their moderation, so I'll post the comment here that I posted there:
John Castle said:
E cigs harm the lungs
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Well, I'd be one to say that, ANYTHING that puts anything other than oxygen into your lungs is harmful. Our lungs were made to breath oxygen.
But given the choice, I'd rather put a little bit of VG and flavoring into my lungs then the tar and other crap that smoking a cigarette puts in there any time.
Simply breathing, in some cities, is even more harmful than vaping.
But given the choice, I'd rather put a little bit of VG and flavoring into my lungs then the tar and other crap that smoking a cigarette puts in there any time.
Simply breathing, in some cities, is even more harmful than vaping.
Well if people can post a new thread about seeing the blu commercial 20 times I can get away with this one slip lol.
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And other great fiction titles from Professor Christina Gratziou (funded by Pfizer) and Big Pharma :
Chantix is a good way to quit smoking... aka.
www .tobaccoinduceddiseases.com/content/10/1/1/#sec2"]Tobacco Induced Diseases | Full text | Varenicline as a smoking cessation aid in a Greek population: a subanalysis of an observational study[/URL]
and in the fine print in Acknowledgements:
" This study was funded by Pfizer Ltd, United Kingdom. None of the authors received funding for the development of this manuscript. The study sponsor, Pfizer Ltd, was involved in the design of the study; in the collection, analysis, and interpretation of data; in the writing of the manuscript; and in the decision to submit the manuscript for publication. "
Professor Christina Gratziou is also a shareholder in Pfizer. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
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Chantix is a good way to quit smoking... aka.
www .tobaccoinduceddiseases.com/content/10/1/1/#sec2"]Tobacco Induced Diseases | Full text | Varenicline as a smoking cessation aid in a Greek population: a subanalysis of an observational study[/URL]
and in the fine print in Acknowledgements:
" This study was funded by Pfizer Ltd, United Kingdom. None of the authors received funding for the development of this manuscript. The study sponsor, Pfizer Ltd, was involved in the design of the study; in the collection, analysis, and interpretation of data; in the writing of the manuscript; and in the decision to submit the manuscript for publication. "
Professor Christina Gratziou is also a shareholder in Pfizer. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
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I love some of the logic being used by those working against e cigs. To them the choice is to smoke or not smoke for some of us, that is not an option. Personally, I tried every technique out there to quit smoking, patches, gum, cold turkey, even hypnosis. Didn't try Chantrix as the side effects were just too much. None of them worked. I did a significant amount of research on e cigs before I decided to try it, and this is the best I have ever done in quitting smoking. At this point, I am resigned to that without vaping, I would be smoking. Now how in the heck is that a better option?
An interesting fact with their test subjects:
the "current regular smokers" had a beginning "airway resistance" of 176%;
the "non-smokers" had a beginning "airway resistance" of 182% !!!!!
The smokers could breathe easier than the non-smokers!!!
This is before the test! Maybe they are proving smoking is Good for you!
They also didn't compare (or at least they didn't publish any findings) smoking to Vaping. I'm betting that the numbers are more significant with smoking.
This is the part we want to compare. Is the harm reduced with vaping compared to smoking?
the "current regular smokers" had a beginning "airway resistance" of 176%;
the "non-smokers" had a beginning "airway resistance" of 182% !!!!!
The smokers could breathe easier than the non-smokers!!!
This is before the test! Maybe they are proving smoking is Good for you!
They also didn't compare (or at least they didn't publish any findings) smoking to Vaping. I'm betting that the numbers are more significant with smoking.
This is the part we want to compare. Is the harm reduced with vaping compared to smoking?
i tried Chantix once. I was on about week three AND For some reason I kept having images of driving my car into oncoming traffic. It was weird. I would just be driving and start thinking "i wonder if my airbags would protect me if I strayed the line and went head on with another car..." I told my doctor this and she asks "do you still smoke though?". I said "yes" so she said "Maybe this isnt working for you then..."
Lmao what if u told her you quit smoking. Would she still have you use the chantix thinking weird crap?
It sure seems like I would be able to notice a 186% restriction in inhalation ability. That's a lot. I'm going to have to read that again now that I'm awake.
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Also broke the links...in the quotes too...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-links-junk-science-other-rubbish-posts.html
Also broke the links...in the quotes too...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-links-junk-science-other-rubbish-posts.html
Non-smokers that have probably NEVER used an oral vaporizer much like an eCig had airway resistance to 206% from 182%.
Current regular smokers that have probably NEVER used an oral vaporizer much like an eCig had airway resistance to 220%, from 176%.
WHILE, COPD and Asthma patients that are more than likely FAMILIAR WITH VAPORIZERS AND USE THEM experienced no significant increase in airway resistance from using one e-cigarette for ten minutes.
How many of us took our first drag from an eCigarette and coughed? Cigarette smokers INHALE cigarette smoke DIFFERENTLY than an asthmatic inhales from a vaporizer so of course there will be increased airway resistance. A non-smoker using a vaporizer = no-brainer.
My surprise is that this even got published considering the author of the study was nailed when they green lighted the effectiveness of Chantix as a quitting aid. That study was funded by Pfizer, the makers of Chantix... This is the Important Safety Information regarding this drug that this author approved. It is directly from their website: changes in behavior, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, develop suicidal thoughts or actions, anxiety, panic, aggression, anger, mania, abnormal sensations, hallucinations, paranoia, or confusion + develop suicidal thoughts or actions, anxiety, panic, aggression, anger, mania, abnormal sensations, hallucinations, paranoia, or confusion + have serious skin reactions, some of which can become life-threatening - rash, swelling, redness, and peeling of the skin, swelling of the face, mouth, and throat that can cause trouble breathing, rash with peeling skin or blisters in your mouth. The SIDE EFFECTS could result when they began taking this drug OR develop after several weeks of treatment or after stopping CHANTIX.
So, this magnificent researcher supports Chantix as a aid to quit smoking with all of these side effects and poo-poos eCigaretts, which has minimal side effects?
Current regular smokers that have probably NEVER used an oral vaporizer much like an eCig had airway resistance to 220%, from 176%.
WHILE, COPD and Asthma patients that are more than likely FAMILIAR WITH VAPORIZERS AND USE THEM experienced no significant increase in airway resistance from using one e-cigarette for ten minutes.
How many of us took our first drag from an eCigarette and coughed? Cigarette smokers INHALE cigarette smoke DIFFERENTLY than an asthmatic inhales from a vaporizer so of course there will be increased airway resistance. A non-smoker using a vaporizer = no-brainer.
My surprise is that this even got published considering the author of the study was nailed when they green lighted the effectiveness of Chantix as a quitting aid. That study was funded by Pfizer, the makers of Chantix... This is the Important Safety Information regarding this drug that this author approved. It is directly from their website: changes in behavior, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, develop suicidal thoughts or actions, anxiety, panic, aggression, anger, mania, abnormal sensations, hallucinations, paranoia, or confusion + develop suicidal thoughts or actions, anxiety, panic, aggression, anger, mania, abnormal sensations, hallucinations, paranoia, or confusion + have serious skin reactions, some of which can become life-threatening - rash, swelling, redness, and peeling of the skin, swelling of the face, mouth, and throat that can cause trouble breathing, rash with peeling skin or blisters in your mouth. The SIDE EFFECTS could result when they began taking this drug OR develop after several weeks of treatment or after stopping CHANTIX.
So, this magnificent researcher supports Chantix as a aid to quit smoking with all of these side effects and poo-poos eCigaretts, which has minimal side effects?
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smokers will have less airway resistance to begin with...their cilia (hair like follicles) is different in their airways- coated with mucous or damaged and decreased and so less restriction- this is the body's way for compensating for smoking- and helping things go down easier, compared to non-smokers. How does Smoking Affect the Cilia?
E-Cigarettes are proven (not just demonstrated) to be thousands of times safer than Chantix.
E-Cigarettes have been available for a very similar timescale and after millions of user-years there is no single proven attribution of a death; however even the FDA admits that Chantix has caused 272 deaths, and in that case the total, logically, is likely to be far higher. Chantix is reported to cause a 'cardiac event' for 1 in 30 patients according to several clinical studies, and if these studies are correct then it will have caused over 60,000 just in the USA just in 2010. Whether we can be justified in calling these events heart attacks I don't know, perhaps someone could ask Dr Farsalinos as this is his speciality.
Gratziou is referred to by other professors as a liar. Personally, if I were paid by a manufacturer of a product that is proven to kill and harm on an epic scale, I'd probably leave off criticising a product that appears to have an excellent safety record; or accept that colleagues would refer to me as a paid liar. It's not my field, but I have to say that Prof Phillips seems much more reliable. The FDA and MHRA probably spent millions looking for examples of harm proven to be caused by e-cigarettes and came up with nothing, set against thousands of incidents of serious harm attributable directly to Chantix.
E-Cigarettes have been available for a very similar timescale and after millions of user-years there is no single proven attribution of a death; however even the FDA admits that Chantix has caused 272 deaths, and in that case the total, logically, is likely to be far higher. Chantix is reported to cause a 'cardiac event' for 1 in 30 patients according to several clinical studies, and if these studies are correct then it will have caused over 60,000 just in the USA just in 2010. Whether we can be justified in calling these events heart attacks I don't know, perhaps someone could ask Dr Farsalinos as this is his speciality.
Gratziou is referred to by other professors as a liar. Personally, if I were paid by a manufacturer of a product that is proven to kill and harm on an epic scale, I'd probably leave off criticising a product that appears to have an excellent safety record; or accept that colleagues would refer to me as a paid liar. It's not my field, but I have to say that Prof Phillips seems much more reliable. The FDA and MHRA probably spent millions looking for examples of harm proven to be caused by e-cigarettes and came up with nothing, set against thousands of incidents of serious harm attributable directly to Chantix.
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