E-Cigs will never be Legal
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i agree. i think vaping will be legal and e-cigarette use will generally increase. my one area of concern is the completely false and unsubstantiated claim that "second hand vapor" is harmful to others. now i know no one has really come out and made that claim specifically but when there is (i think there has been) talk of amending public smoking bans to include e-cigarettes one must wonder why those proposing such an amendment must think "second hand vapor" is harmful to the public... 
In my opinion they can never really be illegal. Maybe the nicotine, but why do you need that anyway? There is nothing inside an e-cigarette that cannot be manufactured in your own home, with the exception of the nicotine. It's a battery and a vaporizer, how can they ban that?
I am only just starting vaping and I already quit cigarettes. I have no interest in nicotine. I want to be able to smoke, without the adverse health effects. I still crave the action of smoking, but have no use for nicotine.
What's the big deal, why do you feel you need the nicotine? Sure quitting smoking is hard, but the nicotine addiction is gone in 72hours. Yea, that's an uncomfortable 72hours, but big deal. If I had a PV at the time I quit, with no nicotine, I would have had a much easier time.
I am only just starting vaping and I already quit cigarettes. I have no interest in nicotine. I want to be able to smoke, without the adverse health effects. I still crave the action of smoking, but have no use for nicotine.
What's the big deal, why do you feel you need the nicotine? Sure quitting smoking is hard, but the nicotine addiction is gone in 72hours. Yea, that's an uncomfortable 72hours, but big deal. If I had a PV at the time I quit, with no nicotine, I would have had a much easier time.
Nicotine, like alcohol, caffeine or chocolate is a nice substance, just as nice as "the action of smoking". And of and by itself can be very beneficial. Remember the smoke kills, not the nicotine.
I had bought some e-cigs from China. They were taken by the costums and handed over to the Danish Medicines Agency. Now I have got a letter telling, that it will be returned to sender because they are banned in Denmark, and I can risk a fine for trying to import them from China.
However Denmark is member of the EEC, so I have bought e-cigs from the UK, which is legal to do. 8-o
However Denmark is member of the EEC, so I have bought e-cigs from the UK, which is legal to do. 8-o
sorry to break it to you but the vape is NOT a new thing and it ISNT going away so keep on keepin on! i think the FDA and "big tobacco and pharma" will soon jump on the bandwagon. i for one wouldnt mind a little regulation on the subject in terms of a study by the FDA. if its regulated and taxed just like regular cigs, i think the "big tobacco" companies will soon release their own e-cigs and they will be of a controlled quality and specification, dont fear change, embrace it, not everyone and everything is out to get us... well most of us ;D
so keep on keepin on! i think the FDA and "big tobacco and pharma" will soon jump on the bandwagon. i for one wouldnt mind a little regulation on the subject in terms of a study by the FDA. if its regulated and taxed just like regular cigs, i think the "big tobacco" companies will soon release their own e-cigs and they will be of a controlled quality and specification, dont fear change, embrace it, not everyone and everything is out to get us... well most of us ;D
sorry to break it to you but the vape is NOT a new thing and it ISNT going away
You're the one that's dreaming. First, the FDA does not normally do studies. That process is the duty of the manufacturer. The FDA did not declare the e cig as a drug delivery device and a smoking cessation product for no reason. They want a manufacturer to come forward and go through this process. This is a 10 + year process. The best you will end up with is a nicotrol 4mg, pv. That creates a vapor. No mfgerer is going to do that.
If this leads to the fda taking away my chocolate, because it perks me up and makes me feel better Im gonna go crazy...Chocolate Rocks!
We're all different, Coolbeans. And the way our bodies crave nicotine or react to its withdrawal also varies. I'm really glad that you were able to quit smoking and that you now enjoy a nic-less PV. Fantastic. But that was your personal goal and your choice. For a variety of reasons, some people don't want to quit nicotine. Others might like to be free of the addiction but have tried lots of methods (including your "72 hour" cold turkey suggestion) with no success.
I vape on the street and during breaks at work. I've encountered a range of reactions to my PV over the last few months. Most folks are just curious about "that thing you're smoking." Most analog smokers want to know whether it "really works" or not--meaning, whether it actually delivers enough nicotine to keep me off the burning leaf. Every so often, I also run into a sanctimonious ex-smoker. They can't resist the urge to tell me that they quit without the benefit of any patch or gum or hypnotist or PV gizmo and all it really takes is "will power." Life is hard enough. Here in this forum--of ALL places-- I hope we can resist the impulse to judge one another for the choices we make. Peace and happy vaping to you, friend.
Andtyler2, That's right. I have many times tried the cold turkey, and it works for some weeks; but it has always been a strugle, and after some time I've been back to the analogs.
Now I've been digital for more than 2 weeks, and best of all, I don't miss the analogs. I most admit, that I vape more now; but that's Ok - I think - for me and my suroundings.
Why sould I drop the nicotine?? It has never been proven that it is harmful. So, why to take the risk?
Now I've been digital for more than 2 weeks, and best of all, I don't miss the analogs. I most admit, that I vape more now; but that's Ok - I think - for me and my suroundings.
Why sould I drop the nicotine?? It has never been proven that it is harmful. So, why to take the risk?
Greetings, Dane. Congratulations on your 2 weeks off analogs. As a long time pack+ a day smoker, I know that it's no small accomplishment. Two weeks is huge. So---kudos and 'way to go'.
I think more than a few of us worry that we are "vaping more" than we smoked. But it's hard to tell exactly how much nicotine we are absorbing with a PV vs whatever we ingested via analogs. At the same time, we can't delude ourselves. Nicotine is a poison. It's not 'good' for you. But the countless additional substances in cigarettes are also VERY bad for you. This much we know. So for now, we choose to vape and most of us feel better for having ditched the analogs. I accept that there is a whole lot more to this story. I suspect that all the facts will only emerge over time--and maybe not for a long time. Meanwhile, I'm happily vaping and grateful that I found a way to ditch the evil weed.
Hello all-
This is my first post...been lurking for a few weeks now...got my BE112 14 days ago, and it's been 13 days since my last analog! Woohoo!...never thought it possible...was smoking 2+ packs a day for the past 20+ years...
I concur with the author of this post. If we were to all switch to e-cigs tomorrow, the Great Depression would henceforth be refered to as "The FIRST Great Depression." They simply cannot afford for all of us to kick the habit at once. As sad as it seems, our nation runs on the backs of the so-called "sinners", particularly smokers.
It's not enough that we were dying a slow death and paying for healthcare, education and highways in the process...it's not enough that we were made to feel like ......ed dinosaurs for continuing to smoke, and being relegated to subjecting ourselves to the elements for our habit...it's not enough that our throats became raw from the added ingredients to supposedly make them safer...it's not enough that we could no longer comparision shop with vendors from other states and have them shipped to us...I'm just not sure that it will ever be enough....
I'm no genius, but for the life of me, I do not see how that E-cigs can be considered a tobacco product.
It is an electronic device that atomizes a liquid containing nicotine.
Nicotine is a substance that is not only present in tobacco, but dozens of other plants, including potatoes.
Case in point....an electronic cigarette could just as easily be called a "potato product."
This is my first post...been lurking for a few weeks now...got my BE112 14 days ago, and it's been 13 days since my last analog! Woohoo!...never thought it possible...was smoking 2+ packs a day for the past 20+ years...
I concur with the author of this post. If we were to all switch to e-cigs tomorrow, the Great Depression would henceforth be refered to as "The FIRST Great Depression." They simply cannot afford for all of us to kick the habit at once. As sad as it seems, our nation runs on the backs of the so-called "sinners", particularly smokers.
It's not enough that we were dying a slow death and paying for healthcare, education and highways in the process...it's not enough that we were made to feel like ......ed dinosaurs for continuing to smoke, and being relegated to subjecting ourselves to the elements for our habit...it's not enough that our throats became raw from the added ingredients to supposedly make them safer...it's not enough that we could no longer comparision shop with vendors from other states and have them shipped to us...I'm just not sure that it will ever be enough....
I'm no genius, but for the life of me, I do not see how that E-cigs can be considered a tobacco product.
It is an electronic device that atomizes a liquid containing nicotine.
Nicotine is a substance that is not only present in tobacco, but dozens of other plants, including potatoes.
Case in point....an electronic cigarette could just as easily be called a "potato product."
Hi, Embryo. I suspect we'll continue to deal with all the questions and issues you raise-- for a long time to come.
Glad you decided to break the silence and add your voice to the mix.
Glad you decided to break the silence and add your voice to the mix.
This is only my 2nd or 3rd post to this group. Glad I joined and I've been off analogs since 12-1-09 and it's been great!
There's a thought I had that I haven't seen articulated yet in any of the thread's I've been through, and I've been lurking here for weeks and have read nearly all critical material, particularly stuff regarding laws and bans.
Here's the thought:
We've seen tooling and manufacturing basically disappear in the U.S. over the past 30 or so years (since the Reagan revolution, essentially), all of it sent overseas to mostly 3rd world countries (for instance China). All of this has had a massively degrading effect on middle-income working Americans throughout the whole process. America has been losing its middle class and it's almost completely gone now. We are essentially living in an aristocrat/feudal society now.
Then suddenly out of the woodwork of the cheap Chinese manufacturing labor market comes this nifty little invention.
My point: For the first time, the impact of overseas manufacturing on life in the U.S. has gone in reverse, and unexpectedly affected another class of citizenry that it wasn't supposed to. For the first time, big business, big law, big politics, big tobacco, big pharma, big healthcare, and god knows how many other population-control mechanisms of American society have FINALLY THEMSELVES been affected negatively by the advent of overseas manufacturing labor, while it simultaneously has had a positive effect for many ordinary citizens -- smokers, of all people!
This new reality has GOT to have the control freaks in a state of panic right now! All that tax money, all those dying bodies that "NEED" expensive health care, all those useless quit-smoking devices -- ALL of this power base has been effectively nullified and made OBSOLETE by the invention of the e-cig.
At this point it's just a matter of the layers and politicians tooling up again to use the power of public ignorance to pad their wallets. Let's see if it works (again).
In the meantime, I'll be taking whatever protective measures it takes to keep myself stocked with e-cig supplies and isolated from public fear and ignorance -- where it will THIS TIME actually affect the quality of my lungs and respiratory system -- not just my wallet.
Thank god I no longer live in a major metropolitan area full of greedy lawyers and politicians on a power trip. I'm so happy to be out of New Jersey where I grew up. I feel fairly safe tucked away in my little hamlet in another state, quite far away from any major city. I always knew it was going to come down to stuff like this in this country, that's why I planned to get as far away from control freaks as possible some number of years ago.
I agree with another commenter on this board: "The history books of the future will look at Phillip Morris like we look at Hitler, and the inventor of the e-cigarette as the savior of the world."
There's a thought I had that I haven't seen articulated yet in any of the thread's I've been through, and I've been lurking here for weeks and have read nearly all critical material, particularly stuff regarding laws and bans.
Here's the thought:
We've seen tooling and manufacturing basically disappear in the U.S. over the past 30 or so years (since the Reagan revolution, essentially), all of it sent overseas to mostly 3rd world countries (for instance China). All of this has had a massively degrading effect on middle-income working Americans throughout the whole process. America has been losing its middle class and it's almost completely gone now. We are essentially living in an aristocrat/feudal society now.
Then suddenly out of the woodwork of the cheap Chinese manufacturing labor market comes this nifty little invention.
My point: For the first time, the impact of overseas manufacturing on life in the U.S. has gone in reverse, and unexpectedly affected another class of citizenry that it wasn't supposed to. For the first time, big business, big law, big politics, big tobacco, big pharma, big healthcare, and god knows how many other population-control mechanisms of American society have FINALLY THEMSELVES been affected negatively by the advent of overseas manufacturing labor, while it simultaneously has had a positive effect for many ordinary citizens -- smokers, of all people!
This new reality has GOT to have the control freaks in a state of panic right now! All that tax money, all those dying bodies that "NEED" expensive health care, all those useless quit-smoking devices -- ALL of this power base has been effectively nullified and made OBSOLETE by the invention of the e-cig.
At this point it's just a matter of the layers and politicians tooling up again to use the power of public ignorance to pad their wallets. Let's see if it works (again).
In the meantime, I'll be taking whatever protective measures it takes to keep myself stocked with e-cig supplies and isolated from public fear and ignorance -- where it will THIS TIME actually affect the quality of my lungs and respiratory system -- not just my wallet.
Thank god I no longer live in a major metropolitan area full of greedy lawyers and politicians on a power trip. I'm so happy to be out of New Jersey where I grew up. I feel fairly safe tucked away in my little hamlet in another state, quite far away from any major city. I always knew it was going to come down to stuff like this in this country, that's why I planned to get as far away from control freaks as possible some number of years ago.
I agree with another commenter on this board: "The history books of the future will look at Phillip Morris like we look at Hitler, and the inventor of the e-cigarette as the savior of the world."
But it take time...every innovation of Science in challenged from the History of modern science...every time "some" peoples tried to stop them...they give various reasons...
Many innovations has been made out of peoples reach which we even dont know.
Sun does not spins around the Earth instead Earth moves round the Sun was not established without blood shed,without a painful social murder.
@Andtyler2: nicely written piece,thank you very much for sharing your thought.But, you know we,the general people in this Earth are just puppets...we always has been...will always be.
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Well, there are alot of good posts here on the last couple pages. Im so happy when I hear of others who are new to the forum, and new to vaping, that have completely given up tobacco cigarettes and turned to e-cigs. I myself am heading towards 9 months tobacco free.
Someone posted about not wanting to give up the nicotine... I am also in that camp. I started vaping with 24mg, and never looked back. I dont want to give up my nic intake. As others have pointed out... its not the nicotine that kills you. On the same hand, if one can rid themslves of it, I think thats a great accomplishment.
As others have mentioned, the questions that are raised by people here will indeed be asked until the hammer falls. Someone asked why, if nicotine can be found in potatoes, why cant we call e-cigs a potatoe product? While I laughed at that, and there is a certain logic to it, the fact is is that most of the nicotine in e-juice is derived from tobacco. To my knowledge, that puts it squarely in the FDA's sights.
Dr Seigal is (IMO) our best friend because he routinly says the things that need to be said. He is not affraid to make the FDA look as dumb as they are in regards to e-cigs.
My friends have asked me about the impending ban and if they should even waste their time by getting started on e-cigs. At one time I did feel a bit apprehensive about telling them to go ahead and do it. Now...I say get as many kits and juice as your finances will allow. Not because of a probable ban, but because the FDA has said cigarettes are bad, and put their stamp of approval on them.
Good luck to all you new folks out there. And Im so happy its worked for you. You are partaking in a revolution, and one the FDA cannot ignore.
My best,
-VP
Someone posted about not wanting to give up the nicotine... I am also in that camp. I started vaping with 24mg, and never looked back. I dont want to give up my nic intake. As others have pointed out... its not the nicotine that kills you. On the same hand, if one can rid themslves of it, I think thats a great accomplishment.
As others have mentioned, the questions that are raised by people here will indeed be asked until the hammer falls. Someone asked why, if nicotine can be found in potatoes, why cant we call e-cigs a potatoe product? While I laughed at that, and there is a certain logic to it, the fact is is that most of the nicotine in e-juice is derived from tobacco. To my knowledge, that puts it squarely in the FDA's sights.
Dr Seigal is (IMO) our best friend because he routinly says the things that need to be said. He is not affraid to make the FDA look as dumb as they are in regards to e-cigs.
My friends have asked me about the impending ban and if they should even waste their time by getting started on e-cigs. At one time I did feel a bit apprehensive about telling them to go ahead and do it. Now...I say get as many kits and juice as your finances will allow. Not because of a probable ban, but because the FDA has said cigarettes are bad, and put their stamp of approval on them.
Good luck to all you new folks out there. And Im so happy its worked for you. You are partaking in a revolution, and one the FDA cannot ignore.
My best,
-VP
I don't want to jump the gun but I think I found a hole in HR 1256
I'm still putting it all together and I'm filing an LLC and my FDA filing the same day if I can't find a hole in my own theory the next couple weeks..
wish I could post more but if this would actually work I'd be undermining my own process by drawing their attention to it prematurely, better to cross my t's dot my i's and cross my fingers till their requisite time to respond is up and keep off FDA's radar until they say oh no that's what we just stamped two weeks ago?????
I'm still putting it all together and I'm filing an LLC and my FDA filing the same day if I can't find a hole in my own theory the next couple weeks..
wish I could post more but if this would actually work I'd be undermining my own process by drawing their attention to it prematurely, better to cross my t's dot my i's and cross my fingers till their requisite time to respond is up and keep off FDA's radar until they say oh no that's what we just stamped two weeks ago?????
That's the thing -- Good will eventually prevail (maybe), but I just don't want to end up being one of the 'blood-shedded' this time around, that's all. 8-o
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