E-Juice Liquids - What Percentages to Use?

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Hi all, I'm starting out as a DIY e-juice maker, and I know with the different manufacturers the percentages will vary, so I was hoping that someone out there can give me some help with a list of the vendors I have compiled.
Or give me a link to an already compiled list, that's way easier! :thumb:
Here is my compiled list so far, I think it's pretty comprehensive.
LB -
FE -
TFA -
CAP -
FW -
RF -
OOO -
DIYFS -
FA -
FLV -
FM -
FE -
(FRA)- M -
Flavour Revolution -
HS -
INW -
JF -
LA -
MB -
MF -
PUR -
(RAW) - M -
(REK) - M -
Stixx Mixx -
VT -
Wonder Flavours -
Local Concentrates -
ZA -
Many thanks o vape juive gurus in advance, and I hope you're having an awesome Saturday!!
Regards,

RaisedFist:evil:
 

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    Even within vendors, percentages will vary from flavor to flavor. You have quite a list there. Do you have all these?

    My resource is ELR and I entered all my flavors into their database (My Flavor Stash). There you can see what most mixers will use, and based on what flavors you have, what other mixers have created; as well as the ratings by their peers.

    Unfortunately, we cannot link to that website from here, though screen grabs are allowed.
    Just do a Google search for ELR Recipes, it should be the top result.
     

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    Wow, so much info!!
    I've been a part of a few forums and I'm used to getting one or two replies and they are usually two or three lines long. :w00t:
    You guys ROCK!
    Thanks for all the info, it's now 5 days till I get paid and place my order for all my equipment and concentrates and such, I'm so excited, like a kid waiting for xmas!!
    Again, all the info, guidance and encouragment is much appreciated!
    Love and respect,

    Raised Fist:thumbs::thumbs:
     

    DeloresRose

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    Wow, so much info!!
    I've been a part of a few forums and I'm used to getting one or two replies and they are usually two or three lines long. :w00t:
    You guys ROCK!
    Thanks for all the info, it's now 5 days till I get paid and place my order for all my equipment and concentrates and such, I'm so excited, like a kid waiting for xmas!!
    Again, all the info, guidance and encouragment is much appreciated!
    Love and respect,

    Raised Fist:thumbs::thumbs:

    If I may offer some advice, the temptation will be to get as much as you can afford. It’ll all look SO interesting!

    Get all the basics, nic, pg, vg, something to measure with, bottles to put it in. And find 3-4 recipes to try, and start off with flavors for those.

    There will always be flavors you can buy later. And it’s fun getting vape mail, even if it’s only 5-6 flavors.

    Get sample size flavors to start. I know it’s cheaper per ml to get 120 ml bottles, but 10-15 mls go a long way.
     

    n00bVape

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    I agree that it's mostly just personal preference. For example, I'm a menthol vaper and the recommended % for TPA Menthol is 5-10%...no way that I'm going to add more then 4%, which is already pretty strong for my taste!
    But then again, that's the fun of mixing isn't it? Just try with a lower % as you can always add more if needed ;-)
     

    uthinkofsomething

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    Oi....

    There are some brands that tend to be more concentrated than others. Flavorah tends to be stronger. But there is a lot of variation from flavor to flavor and with different companies.
    Big 2nd on the E-L-R website/calculator's flavor notes, invaluable.
    I think most companies have a general recommendation for their flavorings, some for each flavor, some more across the board. Try finding their website.
    One issue with that is some people like liquids (mixes usually) with 20% or more flavoring, others prefer less than 10% or even less than 5%.
    The flavor companies' percentages often seem pretty high to me, too strong.
     

    smacuser

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    Thanks for that!
    And no, I don't have those vendors, but they are all within the website that I will be buying the bulk of my supplies from. :)
    Thanks for that info, I'm checking it out right now!! ;)

    Just a warning, though;

    ELR is not a secure site and is inhabited by recipe pirates. Enter at your own risk. :shock::evil:
     

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    Some flavors act completely differently than others. It depends on what they're suspended in, and what they're bonded to. There's really no way to know how a substance will react with given components, until the 'juice is squirted into the bottle' as it were. It's a no-spellcheck zone.
     

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    If I may offer some advice, the temptation will be to get as much as you can afford. It’ll all look SO interesting!

    Get all the basics, nic, pg, vg, something to measure with, bottles to put it in. And find 3-4 recipes to try, and start off with flavors for those.

    There will always be flavors you can buy later. And it’s fun getting vape mail, even if it’s only 5-6 flavors.

    Get sample size flavors to start. I know it’s cheaper per ml to get 120 ml bottles, but 10-15 mls go a long way.

    This is great advice! @RaisedFist , like most aspects of vaping, there is so much choice in mixing liquid it's easy to get lost. Constantly chasing the next new-to-you flavor. You've probably already got a few store bought juices in mind that you want to mimic. What are your 3 favorite flavors ever? If you can find recipes for them, try to make them. Find a recipe for something else you think you might like but wouldn't normally go for as a fourth, and experiment with the leftovers.

    And definitely start with the smallest size you can get until you know you like the stuff, flavorings or finished eliquid. Depending on how much you are making, a 10ml bottle can last quite a while.
    Samples!!
     

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    Haha, I have no doubt that I'll get into it in a heavy manor, I ordered 5 liters of VG & PG, so I'll be going for a while :thumbs:
    So I will just get my favourites up to par, then do some experimenting, those can steep I suppose, but again, I'm a very impatient man, and I love LOVE custard, I could NEVER wait 3 months to dive into one, and I ordered 3 different ones!!:?:

    First off, have fun with it! Personally, the joy comes from getting new stuff (be it liquids, tanks or a new coil). The hard part is to be patient haha!
    I don't use liquids that need to steep for a long time, but I have experienced the taste improving over time.
    The challenge is to wait, especially with those flavours that need time to get to full potential. If you try them too soon, you might be disappointed and change your recipe. Which in turn might create another problem lol
    Anyway, just enjoy the experience of mixing and vaping, but keep in mind that time is your friend and you can only spend a dollar once ;-)
     

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    The challenge is to wait, especially with those flavours that need time to get to full potential. If you try them too soon, you might be disappointed and change your recipe. Which in turn might create another problem lol
    You bring up a very valid point, @n00bVape.

    I am a strong advocate for vaping new/unfamiliar mixes early and often. Whether it is a single flavor concentrate mix, or a complex recipe; I believe, the best way to understand how that mix develops, is to do frequent test vaping. There is no harm that can come from vaping "too early," other than the momentary displeasure of a less than stellar vape. If one is willing to accept the risk of this possibility... go for it!:thumbs:

    The part that is often unknown, forgotten, or ignored; is, don't make changes, based on these early results. At least... not yet. DO write down your observations, perceptions, and thoughts about possible changes you might want to apply... if things remain unchanged. But, refrain from applying them yet.

    Repeat the test vaping, and note writing, until you are certain the mix is no longer changing. I (personally) won't pronounce a mix "done" for at least a month or two.

    If you really can't help making adjustments early... do so, by making a separate batch with the desired changes, and allow the original mix to continue to age unmolested. This will also permit side-by-side comparison.

    Why is this important? Because there are exceptions to every rule, and we all taste things differently... our palates are unique. Here are just a few of the exceptions that I have learned through my own testing:
    Rule: "All custards require at least a month."
    As @uthinkofsomething has already mentioned; Inawera (INW) Custard is a satisfying vape after only 3 days, and reaches full development in only about a week/week and a half. Yes, it is not as "thick" or "eggy," as say Capella (CAP) Vanilla Custard. But, that is a matter of ingredient selection, and not steep time.

    Rule: "All fruits are 'shake & vape.'"
    While this may be in large part true (maybe 2-3 days to fully bloom); I have learned (thanks to other DIYers like @Letitia), that many orange concentrates benefit from as much as 2 months, to really show all they have to offer.

    Rule: "All tobaccos requite at least a month."
    Because of early test vaping, I found one of my own long standing ADVs (all day vapes). I discovered, that I like a single flavor mix of INW Am4a (a tobacco concentrate designed to mimic Amphora pipe tobacco; after only 3 days rest, and no older than 2 weeks. For me; it does need a couple of days to mellow just a bit, but after two weeks it loses too many of the aromatic notes and is much less interesting. Again, frequent test vaping was the key, and I learned not to make more than I can vape in a couple of weeks.


    These are just a few examples, that I have learned, apply for me. Others may have entirely different experiences. My point is; without trying, I never would have learned.
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    LOL!
    I have found the recipe for my favorite juice, Strawberry Jam Monster, and I already sorced the recipe for it, and I have my order ready to go for when I get paied in 5 days, which includes 20 10ml bottles, because I intend on making a few different experiments! :banana:
    I was also wondering, this whole steeping thing, I've found a whole bunch of techniques on how to steep quickly, but I just wanted to ask all of you, what's your thoughts on fast steeping and how do you do it?
    And can I just use a fresh mixed juice in a vape, or will it just taste like :censored:?
     

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    LOL!
    I have found the recipe for my favorite juice, Strawberry Jam Monster, and I already sorced the recipe for it, and I have my order ready to go for when I get paied in 5 days, which includes 20 10ml bottles, because I intend on making a few different experiments! :banana:
    I was also wondering, this whole steeping thing, I've found a whole bunch of techniques on how to steep quickly, but I just wanted to ask all of you, what's your thoughts on fast steeping and how do you do it?
    And can I just use a fresh mixed juice in a vape, or will it just taste like :censored:?


    I’ve tried heat steeping but found no benefit.

    Some flavors will taste okay to vape right away, and even if they don’t there’s no harm in it - unless they are alcohol based. Might just be me, but I can’t stand those until they’ve been left open to evaporate a bit.

    I got a tiny immersion blender that fits in the bottles. I swear that cuts my steep time in half, but you don’t want to get a lot of air bubbles in the mix, so keep the end submerged while blending.

    You will want to keep notes on every aspect of mixing so you can replicate it.

    Date everything. Test everything as often as you can. I do once a week for two months on new flavors. Which reminds me, start off with single flavors so you know how each develops and can get a good idea if percentages to use

    Anything cream or vanilla is likely to take a while to steep, while fruits and candy flavors are pretty quick. Some say they’re shake n vape, but I find even those are better in 2-3 days.

    I’m not sure if you’ve already said, but if you don’t have a dripper you may want to get one to test flavors. That makes it really easy - and cheap! - to change out cotton for each juice if you need to. I often make several of similar profiles, and can just test all of them without changing cotton.

    Caution: RDAs May spoil you because you won’t get better flavor anywhere else.
     

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    @RaisedFist, while you are waiting to place your order.... here are a few other good sites for reference and flavor reviews:

    Reddit flavor concentrate reviews index (this is a great list of the more thorough/thoughtful concentrate reviews found on Redit)
    ConcreteRiver flavor reviews index (many of these can also be found in the Reddit reviews, but not all. Also includes many with both written AND video reviews.)

    If you are more of a video watcher:
    Noted (part of DIYorDie, on youtube)
    Noted #55 (specific episode devoted to liquor/booze concentrates)
    thefogvlog (another YouTube channel with good concentrate reviews, and more "famous"/prolific DIY recipe creator reviews)
     

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    I'm a very very impatient steeper - and generally mix with flavours that don't need a long steep time. For me, a long steep time is a week ;)

    The reddit resources posted above give you your best guidelines. And go by the recipe you are using. If they don't have a steep time, ask the author in the comments section.
     
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