We don't sell any of the stuff the last 20 pages or so have been arguing about...
Not even any Eggplant juice!
What do you sell?
E Juice not a tobacco product????
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dr g started this line of thinking. I'm just continuing the thinking out loud process.
According to the free access portions of the USP that I've looked at, the nicotine used by the pharmaceutical companies is the pure crystalline salt of nicotine. Here's a link to a data sheet on the tartrated nicotine that's used in NRP therapies.
Nicotine Bitartrate Dihydrate | Pharmaceutical Ingredients & Products - Nicobrand
This is different from the free based nicotine that we use, which must be in a liquid suspension. Here's a data sheet on that from the same source.
http://www.nicobrand.com/files/Nicotine_Free_Base_Data_Sheet.pdf
I barely passed Chemistry 201, but if I recall, the free based version of any substance is different from the alkaloid itself.
Kurt, our resident chemist emeritus, would probably be able to tell us whether we're really onto something, or totally full of Sierra.
Edit to add: Even if this path doesn't lead to where we want it to, perhaps it can throw enough noise and uncertainty at FDA that they certainly punt again next month. I still think they will, but giving them a proper shove won't hurt.
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Our health insurance company decided to charge a higher premium to Tobacco users - cigs, dip etc. It specifically states "Patches, gum and E Cgis that do not contain TOBACCO and are used to help quit SMOKING are not considered tobacco products. HMMMMMMMM- so are they not kinda saying Nicotine is not a TOBACCO product? Also on a different by important point - they are saying e cigs are similar to the patch/gum- and do assist in quitting smoking - WOW - thgt that could not be said - based on the lawsuit by Njoy or someone a few years back.....BTW - this aint no mom n pop insurance company - one of the big 3.....what yall make of this....
Odd since the PV is not to be considered a smoking cessation device .. link to policy .. ??
It can't be called a smoking cessation method as a selling point. But, that doesn't mean that an insurance company can't say it.
Unc Willie - don't think it would be appropriate to send a link- don't wanna start anything. Bib Ben - maybe I don't understand ur post - I am using it as a substitute - but the Ins company is treating it like a cessation device......i am fine with it as long as they don't increase my premium....lol
As far as I'm concerned, e-cigs are a smoking cessation device. They got me to quit smoking.
Really good question. Every year we have to re-do our group insurance at work. Every year until now I put myself in the tobacco user slot. The next insurance update coming up, I am planning on putting myself in non tobacco user. I feel I'm not being dishonest.
Are you "vaping" or "smoking"...if vaping, then you HAVE ceased to "smoke"!
Same here. I will check the non-tobacco user box for next year. I don't use tobacco. I do use nicotine extracted from tobacco, but the policy doesn't state whether or not I use tobacco products, just tobacco.
Exactly!
Using vaping as a reduced risk alternative (if you use it exclusively instead of smoking) IS smoking cessation.
It's just that it's not all about the nicotine. It's so much more than just the nicotine!
My company is self-insured. They give a 50% discount for non-smokers. (Nice way of saying they are not charging extra for smokers, eh?) Someone asked if e-cigarettes count as smoking, and they said if you can't pass the cotinine test you are a smoker, regardless of the source, and can not have the discount.
Many insurance co's have sample policies on line .. it's generally public information ..
Well mine is a little different - we are self insured but managed by United HC - also we have minor union and a retirement division - the policy abt smoking etc are made in conjunction with the big wigs/HR/United/retirement folks and Union......so not sure if this is United HCs position on E cigs. The email we got was from HR......I didnt give all this info in my earlier post - thgt it would confuse things -now it is all posted
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I'm not allowed to discuss our product or business interests in the general forum, per the supplier's rules as I have been reminded on numerous occasions.....
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I'm not allowed to discuss our product or business interests in the general forum, per the supplier's rules as I have been reminded on numerous occasions.....
Are you concerned that People selling e-Liquids May/Will have to conform to Fed and State and County requirements to sell a Tobacco Product?
Or that Liquid Flavored e-Liquid Sale may be Drastically Restricted?
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I'm not allowed to discuss our product or business interests in the general forum, per the supplier's rules as I have been reminded on numerous occasions.....
BTW - Understood about the Registered Suppliers TOS.
That is my biggest concern is taxation of ejuice like smokes and snuff.
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